Who is the worst Hokage

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I stated HOKAGE...not kage...which HOKAGE was corrupted enough to use the akatsuki for example?...none

misread sorry. tobirama discriminated and forced them to live in a isolated area. that is corrupt no matter how you stretch it. Hiruzen isn't corrupt but I find to be PoS leader. a HOKAGE willingly allowed orochimaru to escape when he was strong enough to kill him because he didn't have it in him because he cared for orochi. where as kakashi far younger and less exp than hiruzen managed to kill those he cared about and perfectly prepared to take out sasuke. then you got the massacre which is self explanatory and of course for "peace" allowed neji's dad to be killed off to prevent a war they didn't even start. it's BS how he willingly had it in him to let other people kill their precious bonds but he couldn't do it himself with orochi and look what damage it has brought to the world because of that failed mistake. even hashirama would be SMFH over how disgusting the kages in general became
 
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misread sorry. tobirama discriminated and forced them to live in a isolated area. that is corrupt no matter how you stretch it. Hiruzen isn't corrupt but I find to be PoS leader. a HOKAGE willingly allowed orochimaru to escape when he was strong enough to kill him because he didn't have it in him because he cared for orochi. where as kakashi far younger and less exp than hiruzen managed to kill those he cared about and perfectly prepared to take out sasuke. then you got the massacre which is self explanatory and of course for "peace" allowed neji's dad to be killed off to prevent a war they didn't even start. it's BS how he willingly had it in him to let other people kill their precious bonds but he do it himself with orochi and look what damage it has brought to the world because of that failed mistake. the kage system is a joke

so basically just tobirama then...who isolated the uchiha (but put them in a position of power) due to distrust (and rightly so)
 

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so basically just tobirama then...who isolated the uchiha (but put them in a position of power) due to distrust (and rightly so)

I don't think you understand. sasuke didn't just want to kill the corrupted kages, he wanted to kill kages who couldn't do their job for selfish reasons such as hiruzen w/ orochimaru. let alone the fact hiruzen approved itachi to kill innocent children if that isn't corrupted i don't know what is.
 

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I don't think you understand. sasuke didn't just want to kill the corrupted kages, he wanted to kill kages who couldn't do their job for selfish reasons such as hiruzen w/ orochimaru. let alone the fact hiruzen approved itachi to kill innocent children if that isn't corrupted i don't know what is.

the death of innocent children would have happened whether hiruzen approved itachi's mission or not...idealism is bad remember?
 

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find out when you read that part of the manga...how are you asking a question to which no story was provided?

I won't be here that long my friend. Take it up with the auther, he's the one that's feeding everyone bs about how Naruto's path is working.
 

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I won't be here that long my friend. Take it up with the auther, he's the one that's feeding everyone bs about how Naruto's path is working.

tell me again about how much worse the shinobi world is after naruto took office?
 

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Tsunade no doubt. She shouldnt have been in that seat in first place.

1. She let jirayia go fight Pain when she should have gone there
2. Couldnt stop Pain
3. No actions against Akatsuki
4. No actions against Orochimaru
5. I think she was in love with that Hokage Seat.(probably used Leaf's money on gambling aswell)

1. She would have done worse than Jiraiya. Jiraiya actually almost won, and even Nagato admitted that Jiraiya would probably have won had he known about all 6 paths.

2. So? Feats of strength don't necessarily make a hokage. At least she kept many villagers alive. Besides, Kakashi couldn't stop Toneri. Just like Tsunade depended on Naruto to deal with Pain, Kakashi depended on Naruto to deal with Toneri. Minato couldn't stop Obito and Kurama without dying (and making his son an orphaned jinchuuriki). Heck, I could even argue that Hashirama failed to stop Madara in the long run. Yeah, he temporarily killed Madara, but Madara was able to pull a fast one on him with delayed izanagi, and he was also able to get a bite out of Hashirama during that battle (which is how Madara got Hashirama's DNA). If Hashirama had been more careful and not let himself get bitten, and made sure that Madara couldn't use izanagi, then Madara wouldn't have gotten his DNA, survived, awakened the rinnegan, summoned the mazou, manipulated Obito, so on and so fourth, and ultimately he wouldn't have been able to cast the infinite tsukuyomi on the world years later. Hiruzen couldn't stop the Uchiha massacre. The list goes on and on. In comparison to some of the things on this list (the earth almost getting destroyed by the moon, or the whole world being placed under genjutsu because of Hashirama's failure to stop Madara), the village getting destroyed in a way that was not beyond repair seems small.

3. No actions against akautski? She made a platoon that served the sole purpose of tracking down and taking out akautski members. That was the platoon that she formed when she sent Asuma and Shikamaru and a few other people out to take out Hidan and Kakazu. She also sent teams 7 and 8 out on a mission to capture Itachi. Also, in Tsunade's defense, Konoha wasn't the only one that didn't do much about akautski until the war. All 5 nations pretty much sat silently letting akautski do their thing for the majority of the series up until Sasuke attacked Bee and got Ay pissed off enough to call a 5 kage summit (and ultimately until Obito declared war). In short, that wasn't just Tsunade.

4. She sent team 7 to that Tenchi Bridge mission to find out about Orochimaru and Sasuke.

5. You're probably right about the gambling part.
 

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Hiruzen was giving the hyuga a diplomatic resolution, avoiding greater conflicts between the lightining country and fire country. Shinobi's are meant to do some sacrifices, that's the whole idea behind them. The uchiha's were a clan to be doomed in the end, they intended to defy the leaf's code and but anything they did deserve to be wiped out. Shisui wanted to cast Koto on his clan but ultimately failed, not hiruzen's fault.

Yes actually it was tsunade's fault at that moment because she rules over the entire konoha at the time, she was in rule after hiruzen so her management over danzo's movement's was her responsibility, she was twice as irresponsible and naive.

Did you just say that hashirama would have faired worse than tsunade? You are a despicable creature, hashirama would had wiped out pain in the matter of seconds if he was there.


Point 1: Tsunade shouldn't have had to deal with Danzo period. He wasn't her responsibility his treacherous ways took root during Hiruzen's reign. This was his responsibility.

Point 2. Haha love how you just missed my point. My point for Hashirama wasnt weather he would defeat pain or not( I agree he would) my point is it would have been for naught. He would be working with the same intelligence as Tsunade which mean zero Intel. The point is he had no Jutsu to keep the people alive which is more important than the buildings. Casualties would have been much higher than they were for Tsunade who spent her chakra protecting the people instead of fighting Pain directly.
 
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Bar Tsunade and Minato, all of them were pricks.
 

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Wasn't he an acting Hokage? Anyway, who cares about that Sharingan-less fodder.
Just making sure the Kakashi hate was strong. With strength fellow brother! :Sparks:
 

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  • Sending out Naruto and crew to save Gaara from Akatsuki(Konoha being the only village to answer Suna's call for help) is not an action against them. K.
  • Sending out Naruto and crew to investigate Orochimaru and Sasuke is not an action against Oro. K.

Your list has some problems

1. Never mentions Tsunade acting, in both cases sending others (poor Naruto)
2. The main reason of these actions you mentioned are Sasuke and Gaara, not directly Oro or Akatsuki.

And what a retarded idea" Send Naruto in these missions, ignoring the fact that every villain wants his fox".


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That disproves nothing. Sasuke literally says, "I will become an enemy to everyone." I never watched Code Geass, but I know that in the end Lelouch died or at least faked his death for the greater good....Sasuke planned on becoming a ruler tormenting everyone so they would hate him FOREVER.

How does that in anyway sound like a sane solution to you? Sure, the Shinobi System is flawed, but Sasuke literally is trying to make everyone's lives a living hell so they would hate him.

At best, I'll give you that, this system might slow down the rate at which the wars happen. That's it.

Well, I can kind of see where he was going. Obito and Madara united all of the five nations by making themselves the center of negativity. While fighting a war against the two Uchiha, there were little to no fights or disputes amongst the Allied Shinobi Force, but rather they fought together to reach a common goal. Had the war been dragged out forever, the 5 greats nations would have stayed united forever. Seeing this, Sasuke decided that he would make himself the enemy and endure all their hatred, for so long as they were distracted with fighting him, it was less likely for them to fight amongst themselves. Had anyone did fight amongst themselves, Sasuke would wipe them off the face of the earth. Its a sick and twisted plan that doesn't ensure any of the peace that Naruto promised, but it could be productive in its own way.
 

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Well, I can kind of see where he was going. Obito and Madara united all of the five nations by making themselves the center of negativity. While fighting a war against the two Uchiha, there were little to no fights or disputes amongst the Allied Shinobi Force, but rather they fought together to reach a common goal. Had the war been dragged out forever, the 5 greats nations would have stayed united forever. Seeing this, Sasuke decided that he would make himself the enemy and endure all their hatred, for so long as they were distracted with fighting him, it was less likely for them to fight amongst themselves. Had anyone did fight amongst themselves, Sasuke would wipe them off the face of the earth. Its a sick and twisted plan that doesn't ensure any of the peace that Naruto promised, but it could be productive in its own way.

So basically Madara Obito and Sasuke got LeLouched
look up Code Geass anime if you don't get the reference
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Your list has some problems

1. Never mentions Tsunade acting, in both cases sending others (poor Naruto)
2. The main reason of these actions you mentioned are Sasuke and Gaara, not directly Oro or Akatsuki.

And what a retarded idea" Send Naruto in these missions, ignoring the fact that every villain wants his fox".


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You realize that what's leaders of countries do during war right? They don't sit on their most powerful weapon despite the fact that they may be highly coveted. They use themin covert ways to eliminate their most dangerous threats....also...it's an anime called Naruto... of course he is going to fight all the tough enemies.how boring would that be to read/watch if all he did was stay locked up in the village the whole manga like Killer Bee :sdo:
 

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Despite how powerful Naruto is, he couldn't protect the village and now his far weaker son has to do the task of fighting Kawaki.
 
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