Who is faster?? Gai in 7th gate or Raikage in his stage 2 mode?

[RicardoA]

Ay is faster.

The manga established that he was the fastest. This is valid ever since Minato died to when Naruto attained enough control over his KCM to surpass him. Gai is included in that timeline.

 

[LuckyMan]

Lets not confuse movement and fight speed people!

Fight Speed: 7th Gate Gai > Ay
Movement Speed: Ay > 7th Gate Gai

 

[xxSAGExx]

Lol Sagexx stop trying to downplay what happened. Madara seeing the kunai doesn't matter when Minato could teleport there with his speed. The thing is, he reacted to Mianto's movement.


Minato teleports as soon as the Kunai gets there...I'm pretty sure that's harder to see than someone running straight at you.

That's not downplaying, that's showing the differences between the fight with Madara that people are trying to compare two when the fights are very different. Minato's speed as an Edo is not his full speed same as Tobirama and Madara even said Tobirama was the fastest of their time and that Tobirama couldn't access his full powers

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. So Madara only beat Tobirama because he knows his battle style and Tobirama can't use his full power. Same with Minato.

A and Tsunade both regarded A as the fastest in the world and Tsunade knows full well of Gai's capabilities as she is the one who build teams and she knew a lot about Kakashi's generation.

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[elsepa]

Gai is much faster, Ay is not blitzing juubi jin Madara.Also a weaker version of Madara managed to blitz SM Naruto

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[Haizaki]

Lets not confuse movement and fight speed people!

Fight Speed: 7th Gate Gai > Ay
Movement Speed: Ay > 7th Gate Gai

Gai showed us movements as well. That's why Gaara said his movements aren't normal. Similar to how Karin said " If Sasuke can't keep up with Ay's movements..."

That's not downplaying, that's showing the differences between the fight with Madara that people are trying to compare two when the fights are very different. Minato's speed as an Edo is not his full speed same as Tobirama and Madara even said Tobirama was the fastest of their time and that Tobirama couldn't access his full powers

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. So Madara only beat Tobirama because he knows his battle style and Tobirama can't use his full power. Same with Minato.

Not accessing their full powers had nothing to do with their speed. Not when he could still use FTG which just involves teleportation.

A and Tsunade both regarded A as the fastest in the world and Tsunade knows full well of Gai's capabilities as she is the one who build teams and she knew a lot about Kakashi's generation.

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We can't say because that was said, no further feat can't disprove that. Gai simply showed us feats that put him above.

 

[Braiyan]

Actually it does. Revived Madara shown far more speed than Edo Madara ever did

I don't see how this discredits him being able to blitz Sage Mode Minato yet being unable to blitz 7th Gated Guy.

and you seem to forget the very fact that Minato barely used SM and he rarely used it in real combat so you're acting like he's going to be able to perfectly use a mode he rarely used and haven't used in many years perfectly. That's where you're mistaking, Minato was only using the Senjutsu to try and hurt Minato. He never shown to use the enhancement or sensory ability.

The whole point of Sage Mode is to enhance one's

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, which includes their speed and reflexes. You don't have to be a perfect Sage for that enhancement to apply,

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. The mere fact that Minato gathered enough natural energy for his eyes to change is proof that his speed and reflexes were increased, and the fact

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, not an imperfect Sage like Jiraiya, which means he received a greater boost than Jiraiya did, and it also heavily implies he possessed sensory abilities like Naruto did.

Even if he did not possess the sensory abilities that Naruto had in Sage Mode for some reason, he was still able to react to A without them. Against Madara he had boosted reflexes simply from being in Sage Mode, and yet was still unable to react or launch his attack quickly enough to avoid losing an arm.

Minato not knowing Madara have full battle experience would prevent Minato in being prepared to FTG away since Madara anticipated his attack.

SM Minato not having the reflexes to react prevented him from teleporting away. He did not know about A's full powered punch either, yet he was still able to teleport away.

Minato wasn't moving around, he appeared before Madara (Madara can easily see the kunai at his feet) and prepared to attack while Gai was moving in and out of Madara's vision since he only had 1 eye.

Guy was right in front of Madara's face when he was launching those attacks. There was no "moving in and out of his vision". Having one eye did not stop Madara from attacking Guy when he launched Hirudora. Nor did it stop him from reacting to Tobirama, who attacked specifically from his blindspot. Saying that Madara could not keep track of Guy because of his one eye yet could do the same for Minato is a bad excuse.

As for this issue about Madara being easily able to see the kunai at his feet, when did he ever indicate that he noticed the kunai?

Gai's speed isn't close to Minato's speed,

And yet we have Madara succeeding in blitzing Minato yet failing to do the same to Guy.

when BM Naruto was moving at full speed Kakashi compared it to Minato's and Gai was shocked at such speed.

BM Naruto is faster than both Base Minato and V2 A, so I'm not sure why you mention this.

A knows Minato's fighting style but you're missing the fact that Minato had many kunias while fighting A and there was only 1 by Madara feet.

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Or he could have teleported to another marking/kunai on the battlefield.
Or he could have dodged the attack like how Naruto dodged the Third Raikage.
Or he could have jumped out of the way.

The mere fact that he did not employ any of these actions imply that he did not have the reflexes to employ any of those actions. The mere fact that he could not attack Madara quickly enough to avoid losing his arm implies that he was slower than Guy was when he basically did the same thing with Hirudora.

Madara had both eyes, was mostly in Susanoo, sent 5 wood clones in Susanoo, and was attacking his comrades while he had 1 eye against Gai and was still able to counter and dodge well.

Once again, this has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Madara was able to blitz Sage Mode Minato but was unable to do the same against 7th Gate Guy.

 

[flyboyissac]

Gai for sure neg diff

 

[Chokuto]

A is faster.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Gai showed us movements as well. That's why Gaara said his movements aren't normal. Similar to how Karin said " If Sasuke can't keep up with Ay's movements..."

Not accessing their full powers had nothing to do with their speed. Not when he could still use FTG which just involves teleportation.





We can't say because that was said, no further feat can't disprove that. Gai simply showed us feats that put him above.

Gaara said Gai's movement weren't human, ever though he was talking about how Gai moves as in his taijutsu? Madara wasn't easily dodging all of Gai's taijutsu and broke Gai's afternoon tiger

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. Madara even told Gai that he would need 8th gate when he saw Gai go 7th gate as he referred to the red steam which is 8th gate

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so 7th Gate Gai was doing nothing to Madara as people say he was, his afternoon tiger did push Madara back after he destroyed it though.

Karin actually mentions A's movements in term of speed unlike Gaara did with Gai, Karin said A is impossibly fast as she mentions his movements

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. Actually yes not accessing their full speed does have to do with their speed, Edo's stats are lower than when they are alive and that includes strength, speed, stamina, chakra reserves, ect... We clearly see alive Madara speed being greater than Edo Madara's speed and Hashirama plain out said Madara have his old power

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Gai had 7th gate a while back, Kishi had A say he's the fastest shinobi alive after showing us 7th gate and Tsunade said it was amazing that Naruto with Kurama's chakra can keep up with A's speed, she never once brought up Gai in terms of speed and she knows what the ninjas can do as she must know what they can do to know if they can go on certain missions and if they can be on a team with different type of ninjas. Kishi gave us enough intel that A is faster than 7th gate Gai, it's 8th Gate Gai that is faster than A.

I don't see how this discredits him being able to blitz Sage Mode Minato yet being unable to blitz 7th Gated Guy.



The whole point of Sage Mode is to enhance one's

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, which includes their speed and reflexes. You don't have to be a perfect Sage for that enhancement to apply,

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. The mere fact that Minato gathered enough natural energy for his eyes to change is proof that his speed and reflexes were increased, and the fact

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, not an imperfect Sage like Jiraiya, which means he received a greater boost than Jiraiya did, and it also heavily implies he possessed sensory abilities like Naruto did.

Even if he did not possess the sensory abilities that Naruto had in Sage Mode for some reason, he was still able to react to A without them. Against Madara he had boosted reflexes simply from being in Sage Mode, and yet was still unable to react or launch his attack quickly enough to avoid losing an arm.



SM Minato not having the reflexes to react prevented him from teleporting away. He did not know about A's full powered punch either, yet he was still able to teleport away.



Guy was right in front of Madara's face when he was launching those attacks. There was no "moving in and out of his vision". Having one eye did not stop Madara from attacking Guy when he launched Hirudora. Nor did it stop him from reacting to Tobirama, who attacked specifically from his blindspot. Saying that Madara could not keep track of Guy because of his one eye yet could do the same for Minato is a bad excuse.

As for this issue about Madara being easily able to see the kunai at his feet, when did he ever indicate that he noticed the kunai?



And yet we have Madara succeeding in blitzing Minato yet failing to do the same to Guy.



BM Naruto is faster than both Base Minato and V2 A, so I'm not sure why you mention this.

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Or he could have teleported to another marking/kunai on the battlefield.
Or he could have dodged the attack like how Naruto dodged the Third Raikage.
Or he could have jumped out of the way.

The mere fact that he did not employ any of these actions imply that he did not have the reflexes to employ any of those actions. The mere fact that he could not attack Madara quickly enough to avoid losing his arm implies that he was slower than Guy was when he basically did the same thing with Hirudora.



Once again, this has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Madara was able to blitz Sage Mode Minato but was unable to do the same against 7th Gate Guy.

Minato being an Edo discredits it since he has 1 arm and is an Edo tensei. How can you increase the physical capabilities of a zombie? Minato is dead, the only way that he can increase his strength and speed is by using chakra to enhance it as we know ninjas can do but that leads us to another question. How much chakra does Minato have at that time? He was out of chakra prior to all of that so he wouldn't have that much chakra replenished and no Edo's don't replenish chakra faster, dead bodies don't replenish chakra at all so when they say they have "unlimited chakra" that only means they could replenish chakra as if they were alive.

Adding natural energy to his chakra would increase the chakra reserve and make it stronger but Minato wouldn't be using it to increase his strength or speed since he didn't think Madara would be able to react to his act. Naruto's reflexes in SM comes from his sensory ability, he sense the danger then reacts to it. I never said Minato didn't have SM sensory ability or that he isn't in Perfect SM, I said he wasn't using it. You have to actually use it to use it you know. Tobirama and Minato didn't sense Madara or Naruto's chakra until they were told about the war and they tried to sense them, Tobirama didn't sense Madara in Hashirama's flashback because he wasn't kneading chakra, Minato wasn't using his sensory ability when Naruto lost Yang Kurama and had to be told by Yin Kurama.

As I said before, a Zombie can't just get enhancements to their physical capabilities, they have to use chakra to do that as the 3rd Raikage uses his lightning armor to increase his speed. That might sound confusing but I mean going SM won't increase his strength to where he can life heavy objects unless he using chakra to do so. SM Naruto wasn't using his sensory because he didn't expect Madara to use that speed because Madara got his old stats again and his reflexes are tied in with his sensory ability.

You're talking about alive Minato now who has his full stats, Alive Minato>Edo Minato. Gai was moving around launching different attacks, it doesn't matter if you're right in front of a person, you can move side to side and slip their field of vision especially when you have 1 eye

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. Gai wasn't moving when he was using afternoon tiger and Minato wasn't moving around, he was attacking in one forward motion.

Minato threw the Kunai around the same time Gaara and Kakashi used their jutsus too but Madara did react to it

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. KM and BM Naruto's speed is compared to Minato's FTG speed since all you see is a yellow flash just as you do when Minato uses FTG. Tobirama FTG to his kunai which he was using to attack and was knocked out his hand around Madara while Minato's kunai was firmly in the ground. You ask all of these why didn't Minato teleport like this and that but did Tobirama teleport to Obito or Minato who he marked when he was in trouble with Madara? No he didn't.

Edo Minato's reflexes and reactions are lower than when he is alive, SM doesn't increase that, Naruto uses his sensory ability for that but Minato wasn't using that.

 

[Draegod]

Irrelevant. The difference between edo Minato's ability to react to attacks and alive Minato's ability is

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, and would have been significantly overcome by the fact that he was in Sage Mode. Madara would still have to be much faster than V2 A to hit him so quickly that he can't even teleport out of the way.



Madara knowing Minato can teleport has no bearing on Minato's ability to react to Madara's counterattacks. A also knew Minato could teleport the second time he tried attacking him, but was unable to stop Minato from teleporting away. If Sage Mode Minato was fast enough react to Madara, he would have teleported either before getting his arm chopped off or before getting kicked away.



Minato getting hit was due to him being too slow to react.



This has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Madara was able to blitz Sage Mode Minato but was unable to do the same against 7th Gate Guy.

Minato cannot Spam FTG, it is a lagg time before he or an FTG user can use the tech. Manga fact. So in short Minato was screwed either way. Why do you think He ftg after being hit and not before.

 

[Haizaki]

Gaara said Gai's movement weren't human, ever though he was talking about how Gai moves as in his taijutsu? Madara wasn't easily dodging all of Gai's taijutsu and broke Gai's afternoon tiger

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. Madara even told Gai that he would need 8th gate when he saw Gai go 7th gate as he referred to the red steam which is 8th gate

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so 7th Gate Gai was doing nothing to Madara as people say he was, his afternoon tiger did push Madara back after he destroyed it though.

Lol what does movement mean? It is what it is. If it was Taijutsu, he would have said his Taijutsu is human at the very least..but to show you he was really talking about his movement speed,

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Look carefully at what happens to the ground when Gai moves.

Gaara said movements. Meaning the way he moves, Last time I checked that what movement meant. There's nothing like he was referring to his Taijutsu. That's trying to downplay Gai's speed.

Then again, we remember what happened when Gaara questioned if someone's movements were really human? He was getting blitz by raw speed

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and Gai confirmed it was speed that enabled him to do so

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. Gaara referred to Gai's speed coupled with the fact that Gai surprised Madara twice in this form. Meanwhile Ay was on par with KCM Naruto who surpassed him and got blitz by Juubito who's slower than Madara. Meanwhile Ay needed Onoki to get round a far slower Madara. While Gai surprised Juubi Madara twice with his movements. Let's not say it was just Taijutsu when this Madara reacted to someone who could teleport meanwhile he didn't really act before Gai could confront him despite running straight at him leaving him surprised. That's really movements speed combined with Taijutsu.

Karin actually mentions A's movements in term of speed unlike Gaara did with Gai, Karin said A is impossibly fast as she mentions his movements

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. Actually yes not accessing their full speed does have to do with their speed, Edo's stats are lower than when they are alive and that includes strength, speed, stamina, chakra reserves, ect... We clearly see alive Madara speed being greater than Edo Madara's speed and Hashirama plain out said Madara have his old power

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@Bold..Lol where did Gaara mention Gai's Taijutsu?..When it comes to Gai people would want to downplay him. Karin could have said his speed can't be followed instead of movements. Now they're using the same. Nothing suggest there's a difference. They both referred to their movements. I don't know how we're going to say its different because it was Taijutsu.

Minato was almost at full power as noted by Tobirama. Madara's foot speed? Well it isn't bad but even though, that's foot speed. Minato teleports..That's a different story.There's no way his teleportation must have been slower or would have made a difference against Madara when it just requires him moving from A to B. Anyways, there's nothing to discuss when Ay was on par with him back in the day and he openly said he needed more speed to get around Edo Madara. Not a difference would be made.

Gai had 7th gate a while back, Kishi had A say he's the fastest shinobi alive after showing us 7th gate and Tsunade said it was amazing that Naruto with Kurama's chakra can keep up with A's speed, she never once brought up Gai in terms of speed and she knows what the ninjas can do as she must know what they can do to know if they can go on certain missions and if they can be on a team with different type of ninjas. Kishi gave us enough intel that A is faster than 7th gate Gai, it's 8th Gate Gai that is faster than A.

There was KCM before he said that as well. Feats put Naruto above him...He also said his lariat was stronger that B's...I wonder if that was correct as well.

Lol going by this logic....why don't we stick to the fact that Kish also gave us enough intel that he's faster than 8G Gai since no one said it.

Feats clearly debunked the fact that Ay was the fastest man. Gai showed superior feats. We can't be relying on something that was said chaptersss ago when new feats have been shown. That's just like saying Gai can never be faster than him even though he shows feats of being faster.

 

[Haizaki]

Braiyan is pretty damn good though. I forgot SM.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Lol what does movement mean? It is what it is. If it was Taijutsu, he would have said his Taijutsu is human at the very least..but to show you he was really talking about his movement speed,

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Look carefully at what happens to the ground when Gai moves.

Gaara said movements. Meaning the way he moves, Last time I checked that what movement meant. There's nothing like he was referring to his Taijutsu. That's trying to downplay Gai's speed.

Then again, we remember what happened when Gaara questioned if someone's movements were really human? He was getting blitz by raw speed

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and Gai confirmed it was speed that enabled him to do so

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. Gaara referred to Gai's speed coupled with the fact that Gai surprised Madara twice in this form. Meanwhile Ay was on par with KCM Naruto who surpassed him and got blitz by Juubito who's slower than Madara. Meanwhile Ay needed Onoki to get round a far slower Madara. While Gai surprised Juubi Madara twice with his movements. Let's not say it was just Taijutsu when this Madara reacted to someone who could teleport meanwhile he didn't really act before Gai could confront him despite running straight at him leaving him surprised. That's really movements speed combined with Taijutsu.



@Bold..Lol where did Gaara mention Gai's Taijutsu?..When it comes to Gai people would want to downplay him. Karin could have said his speed can't be followed instead of movements. Now they're using the same. Nothing suggest there's a difference. They both referred to their movements. I don't know how we're going to say its different because it was Taijutsu.

Minato was almost at full power as noted by Tobirama. Madara's foot speed? Well it isn't bad but even though, that's foot speed. Minato teleports..That's a different story.There's no way his teleportation must have been slower or would have made a difference against Madara when it just requires him moving from A to B. Anyways, there's nothing to discuss when Ay was on par with him back in the day and he openly said he needed more speed to get around Edo Madara. Not a difference would be made.





There was KCM before he said that as well. Feats put Naruto above him...He also said his lariat was stronger that B's...I wonder if that was correct as well.

Lol going by this logic....why don't we stick to the fact that Kish also gave us enough intel that he's faster than 8G Gai since no one said it.

Feats clearly debunked the fact that Ay was the fastest man. Gai showed superior feats. We can't be relying on something that was said chaptersss ago when new feats have been shown. That's just like saying Gai can never be faster than him even though he shows feats of being faster.

Using my dictionary app I'll provide 2 of the many definition that movement has. (N)- The act of changing locations from one place to another. (N)- A change in position that does not entails a change in location. So like I said Karin mentioned A's speed with his movements while a Gaara mentioned Gai's movement while he's doing taijutsu. Do you not see Gai punching and kicking? You only showed me scans of Lee doing an act of speed that is said to be an act of speed just like A's case, both were moving around at high speed while Gai was doing taijutsu straight at Madara who said himself that Gai would need 8th gate to fight him.

Wow, to say Juubito out sped Naruto doesn't help you one bit when everyone knows Naruto wasn't using his speed at all against Juubito, last time he used his full speed was in BM when he saved Kakashi from Obito and Bee/Gai from Edo Madara then he never used it again until he fights Kaguya. Naruto was still getting the hang of his full speed and only used it 4x before he got his Sage powerup (on Kisame, A, the Bijuus tbbs, and to save Kakashi/Bee/Gai). Edo Madara was in Susanoo, not fighting A in close combat when Oonoki was helping him.

Why would Gaara have to say taijutsu when we can see Gai doing taijutsu? We see A speed blitz around Sasuke from different angles and leaving an after image when he dodge Amaterasu. A is known for his speed and Gai is known for his speciality in taijutsu. Almost full power does not mean it's 90%, for all you know it could mean 60%-75% almost (Adj)- (of actions or states) slightly short of or not quite accomplished. If the power gap wasn't that big then why would Madara mention Tobirama not being able to access his full power or why would Hashirama say Madara got his old power back after he was revived and shown greater speed than when he was Edo?

Edo Minato still have to move with his own speed after teleporting and Edo Minato speed < Alive Minato speed plus as I said it was plot as I already showed that Edo Minato had his arm pulled all the way back while alive Minato shown to have his arm mid attack as he FTG as he done to Obito in the flash back. Why would he have his arm pulled all the way back and not have it ready to attack? Could it be that missing an arm messed with Minato's balance or did Kishi want to take Minato's arm to prevent him from helping any longer? Madara was in Susanoo, how does Madara being in Susanoo make him faster or able to fight close range to A?

A said that he was the fastest alive after Minato died which was 17 years ago and nothing over the years changed that. Naruto changed that then and there and guess what, Tsunade knows about Gai's 7th gate yet she never disclaim anything. Gai has been around in that time and Gai is known for his taijutsu not his speed. Tsunade would say it's amazing that Naruto could keep up with A which means she didn't think Naruto would be able to do that and Kurama's chakra>gates chakra in chakra and power, Naruto was in intense training before entering the war and he didn't rest while also used a ton of chakra plus that's before he gained access to Kurama's full chakra. KM is the equalvance of version 1 9 tails mode while BM is the equalvance of version 2 9 tails mode.

Yeah that's something that Bee has been working on since he was a kid, have Gai been working on getting speed that would make him one of the fastest in the world since he was a kid? That's not the same thing at all, Bee had something to prove in that specific subject and worked hard to do it, Gai worked hard on his Taijutsu skills which would improve his speed and strength but he didn't focus on those skills specifically where as A have been focused on his speed to beat Minato as Bee focused on improving his Lariat. Kishi gave us that when Gai, a 33-34 year old who has been around many years after Minato died, never made a name for himself when it came to speed, he only did as a taijutsu specialist.

What feat have Gai shown? He wasn't doing damage to Madara with his taijutsu and Madara took out afternoon tiger and was only blasted back a bit with no visible damage. Madara was hiding in Susanoo from A so does that mean Madara feel like he can handle Gai no problem in close combat as 7th gate but not A? Madara can use Susanoo with 1 eye as he did pre Jin when Tobirama shot water needles at him and he plain out told Gai he needs 8 gate to fight him.

 

[KidGamer65]

We didn't see him use speed in his battle against Kisame. Though it's reasonable that he should be considered the fastest before the Ten Tails arc since Gai showed no speed feats in the 7G.

It's just like how he was considered the fastest but then Naruto surpassed him when we saw feats. That's like the same for Gai..he showed feats that put him above Ay in terms of speed.

Completely different. As Phonas stated, they had intel on Gai's capabilities in the 7th Gate. So they had seen it before, yet Ay was considered to be the fastest, meaning he's faster than Gai. What we the readers see is irrelevant.

Naruto's case isn't the same since nobody knew of Naruto's capabilities in that mode.

 

[Haizaki]

Completely different. As Phonas stated, they had intel on Gai's capabilities in the 7th Gate. So they had seen it before, yet Ay was considered to be the fastest, meaning he's faster than Gai. What we the readers see is irrelevant.

Naruto's case isn't the same since nobody knew of Naruto's capabilities in that mode.

Still doesn't change the fact that feats disagree.

There's no point going by a statement that was made chapters ago when he's shown what he can do.

 

[KidGamer65]

Still doesn't change the fact that feats disagree.

There's no point going by a statement that was made chapters ago when he's shown what he can do.

Yes there is, because despite what was shown, Ay is better. There is no direct comparison between Gai's Movement speed, and V2 Ay's Shunshin speed that would allow you to say that he's faster than Ay anyway.

So yeah, Ay was considered to be the fastest even though they knew about Gai's speed, so he's not the fastest. Simple as that.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Kishi wrote that Ay was the fastest man alive, until Naruto came along. Tsunade was right there when he said it. She knows everything about Guy (being Hokage and all). So unless kishi wants to contradict himself, then I'll say Ay is still faster.

The whole guy attacking Madara moment is just another one of kishis instances where plot completely takes over all logic. Before that, guy somehow was able to touch the truth seeking balls without any consequences. And before that, minato completely forgot how to use FTG. When plot takes over, all logic goes out the window.

 

[V h o]

Gai is faster.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Yes there is, because despite what was shown, Ay is better. There is no direct comparison between Gai's Movement speed, and V2 Ay's Shunshin speed that would allow you to say that he's faster than Ay anyway.

So yeah, Ay was considered to be the fastest even though they knew about Gai's speed, so he's not the fastest. Simple as that.

Agreed. Another point I thought of is that A was the leader of the whole alliance so there's no doubt that he knew of A's capabilities since how do you think he and the other Kages made the 5 sections of the alliance? They would use info on every ninja from their village who is taking part of the war to make sure they equally distribute all ninjas so all sections would be strong instead of 1-3 being fill with more stronger ninja and leaving 4-5 weak for the enemies attack.

They act like we don't know people can improve in time cause we do but Gai is a taijutsu specialist so he would be improving his taijutsu or honing his body so it can take using the gates better since he's known for speed. A lost an arm to he would actually train to fight with 1 arm to fit his fighting style and he specialist in speed. They talk about feat but what feat? Gai went on to attack a 1 eye Madara who simply moved backwards and not get hurt at all. He even told Gai that he would need 8th gate to fight him before Gai started to attack him so what about that shows Gai having speed greater than A? Madara wouldn't even fight A in close combat and when he did he was in complete Susanoo and using 5 wood clone in Susanoo.

 

[Micho22]

Gai actually