Who is faster?? Gai in 7th gate or Raikage in his stage 2 mode?

[xxSAGExx]

1. Ahraa..raaa...We got a Logic boi here. So going by your Logic of Guy Vs Kisame. Maybe you should re watch Naruto!. Remeber the Fight between Guy and Kisame during the beginning of Shippuden when the went to rescue Gaara? Kisame was not even able to react to a simple "Close range" Kick by "5th Gate guy".

2. How is Guy's speed > Raikage's?

Did you see the clash between naruto is sage mode and 3rd Raikage? 3rd's speed is equal to 4th!. Naruto with sage mode was easily be able to react to the third raikage in the nick of time. Now Madara with the most Powerful Sage mode, which was even able to counter the instant "Flying Thunder God" Technique along with the rinnegan's Tracking was "Barely" able to dodge 7th gate guy.

Raikage's Speed level is 1 means.
Guy at 7th gate is around 10-15 I would say!.

You mean that clone of Kisame that had 30% of Kisame's power and required Gai to go 6 gate to win?

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. Gai went close range

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. Then Gai went 6th gate and won but that's not a full powered Kisame and he had to go 6 gate to finish it.

First off Naruto's speed is enhanced in SM and second he was using his sensory ability for 99% of dodging the 3rd Raikage's speed and he is slower than A since Edo's are weaker, Naruto only compared that Raikage's are fast. Naruto in SM got speed blitz by blind Madara, that's what happens when Naruto doesn't use his sensory ability and Madara speed is faster. Most powerful SM? He doesn't have the strongest SM, he only took Hashirama's Senjutsu and the Hashirama face was in SM not Madara himself.

Madara countered FTG because he knows the fighting style very well as he seen Tobirama fight many times in the past and seen Tobirama kill Izuna using that style. Minato's kunai was at Madara's feet so what else do you think would happen? Madara only had 1 eye so his vision is limited to only half. Against the Kages Madara mostly stayed in his Susanoo, was attacking A's comrades, and sent 5 wood clones in Susanoo's per Kage and A only had 1 arm. A is known for his speed while Gai is only known for his taijutsu.

 

[Aikor]

Yea i agree..Base guy is pretty fast even without opening the gates but in Raikages case he uses lightning to increase his speed and armor..Lightnings speed is 1/1000th a second..while in gais case his gates uses just expands his chakra and he uses his speed usin the chakra..

So if ur considerin Gais speed as the use of chakra(in which case everyone in NV uses chakra)his speed is just by enhancing and overiding his bodys capabilities and so in this case actually gai is superior..He uses his gates to not only increase his speed but his strength and his muscle movement speed as seen when he kicked kisame on 5th gate which was insanely fast.u could see it in slow mo and the sword doesn even seem to move meanin his muscle movement speed is the main key of the gates...

 

[xxSAGExx]

See you don't seem to understand the Eight inner Gates completely!. Raikage's Lightning armour is something which he can activate at any time. Meaning he relies on the Lightning armour almost in every battle. The same is with FTG. Instant teleportation technique. Gai's Base speed in not Fast. His speed is fast only after opening the Eight Inner Gates.

Due you know the effects of Eight Inner Gates? Did you see what happened to Guy after Opening the 7th Gate? Even a simple touch was terrible pain to him. How do you expect to use that every time while fighting a Rival match?

You whole argument of "If he is faster than A why does he need to focus on not seeing their eyes" is completely pointless.

Yes I know about the gates very well, they open the chakra gates which let's you use more of your chakra. The effects is that it tears the muscles apart as it heats up the body causing the skin to turn red. Gai base speed is fast for a Jounin, it only increases with more chakra from the gates. A's chakra is on a Bijuu level and uses his armor to greatly enhance his speed. Using the gates is something you can train to use so other ninjas can use the gates themselves if they choose to learn how to use it and train their bodies to handle it. Kakashi opened a gate in part 1

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Just because something has a bad effect doesn't make it better than a something that has the same effect more or less in enhancing a person stats. A only trained hard to learn and improve in the lightning armor and we don't know if just anyone can use it since the Raikage's are very durable with high pain tolerance.

 

[LuckyMan]

Reflexes and speed aren't the same thing.

OT: Gai is faster. He almost took Madara out by a surprise, whereas Edo Madara could react perfectly to Ay.​

Madara blocked all his punches and kicks no difficulty at all, even Afternoon Tiger. Edo Madara could only blocked Ay's attack and that was V1 Ay.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Yea i agree..Base guy is pretty fast even without opening the gates but in Raikages case he uses lightning to increase his speed and armor..Lightnings speed is 1/1000th a second..while in gais case his gates uses just expands his chakra and he uses his speed usin the chakra..

So if ur considerin Gais speed as the use of chakra(in which case everyone in NV uses chakra)his speed is just by enhancing and overiding his bodys capabilities and so in this case actually gai is superior..He uses his gates to not only increase his speed but his strength and his muscle movement speed as seen when he kicked kisame on 5th gate which was insanely fast.u could see it in slow mo and the sword doesn even seem to move meanin his muscle movement speed is the main key of the gates...

Going on your logic with Gai using the gates, Karin stated that A's chakra was Bijuu level and rising so he can further power up his lightning armor to increase his speed and reaction. Read what Shi said

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. A comes around and knock Juugo away before he knew what hit him

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. When A was powering up his lightning armor to lvl 2 that A's chakra are tailed beast levels

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. A's speed makes an after image and he moved so fast to dodge Amaterasu that ignites whatever Sasuke stares at

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. Karin who has great sensory skills said A is impossibly fast

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[Braiyan]

Base Minato was able to react to Ay's full powered strike twice. On the other hand, a Minato in Sage Mode (which is explicitly stated to

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) was unable to react to Madara, which heavily implies Madara was much faster than V2 Ay.

That same Madara was

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by Guy's 7th Gated speed, and he was unable to move fast enough to sever Guy's arms during his assault like he did with Minato. The only time he was able to get an attack in was when Guy took a moment to prep Hirudora, and even then, the mere fact that Guy still had arms after Madara attacked implies that he was only able to land his attack after Guy launched Hirudora. That puts 7th Gated Guy as much faster than V2 Ay.

 

[Draegod]

Gai negs, Madara in edo state easily dodged Raikage but Madara Juubi Mode with SM barely dodged Gai 7th gate.

Neggative! Aye didn't use full speed against Madara and when he did blitz him all madara could do was block. Bad example to use.

 

[Selan]

Might guy is faster gaara who seen Raikage fight before talked about how guys movements aren't human

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This.

Gai negs, Madara in edo state easily dodged Raikage but Madara Juubi Mode with SM barely dodged Gai 7th gate.

And this. Gai shits on Raikage.

 

[Haizaki]

Lmaooo ignore my bro Draee.. Seriously 7th Gate Gai>>Ay when it comes to speed


This guy surprised Madara twice with his movements forcing Gaara to note his movements aren't human. Doing that against a Juubi Jin especially someone like Madara is hella impressive. Not even Minato did that.

 

[Phonas]

Wasn't it stated that Ay's V2 speed was the fastest in the Shinobi world after Minato's death? Of course, this was all before the whole Ten Tails' arc, when we never had the opportunity to see Gai's 8th Gate speed.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Base Minato was able to react to Ay's full powered strike twice. On the other hand, a Minato in Sage Mode (which is explicitly stated to

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) was unable to react to Madara, which heavily implies Madara was much faster than V2 Ay.

That same Madara was

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by Guy's 7th Gated speed, and he was unable to move fast enough to sever Guy's arms during his assault like he did with Minato. The only time he was able to get an attack in was when Guy took a moment to prep Hirudora, and even then, the mere fact that Guy still had arms after Madara attacked implies that he was only able to land his attack after Guy launched Hirudora. That puts 7th Gated Guy as much faster than V2 Ay.

Bad example. Minato is stated to be faster than A and the you start talking about Edo Minato who is weaker than alive Minato? You also forgot the fact that Madara fully knew the fighting style for FTG users. Also Minato getting hit was plot, if you read the manga where it shows alive Minato then you know Minat doesn't have his arm all the way back after he FTG with a Rasengan, he has it mid attack already as he did against Obito

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. So someone who was in constant war with another clan that hand a FTG user would be able to know how to fight that user especially after seeing their brother killed by that style.

Madara only had 1 eye against Gai but was using Susanoo, 5 wood clones per Kage, and acting A's comrades.

 

[Haizaki]

Wasn't it stated that Ay's V2 speed was the fastest in the Shinobi world after Minato's death? Of course, this was all before the whole Ten Tails' arc, when we never had the opportunity to see Gai's 8th Gate speed.

We never had the opportunity to see 7G Gai's speed

 

[Phonas]

We never had the opportunity to see 7G Gai's speed

What about in his battle with Kisame? Then there's the fact that Kakashi and most of the Jounin leaf (including Yamato) had intel on the 7th Gate and have seen it in action before Gai used it against Kisame, at the same time that Ay's V2 was hyped as being the fastest (before the Ten Tails' arc, of course). Wouldn't they contradict that statement? Please excuse the hypothetical argument, it just all seems odd.

 

[Draegod]

What about in his battle with Kisame? Then there's the fact that Kakashi and most of the Jounin leaf (including Yamato) had intel on the 7th Gate and have seen it in action before Gai used it against Kisame, at the same time that Ay's V2 was hyped as being the fastest (before the Ten Tails' arc, of course). Wouldn't they contradict that statement? Please excuse the hypothetical argument, it just all seems odd.

You do have a point there. Based on the manga itself you have a point. I think Many are confusing Reaction with Movement speed.

 

[Phonas]

You do have a point there. Based on the manga itself you have a point. I think Many are confusing Reaction with Movement speed.

Thanks.

 

[Haizaki]

What about in his battle with Kisame? Then there's the fact that Kakashi and most of the Jounin leaf (including Yamato) had intel on the 7th Gate and have seen it in action before Gai used it against Kisame, at the same time that Ay's V2 was hyped as being the fastest (before the Ten Tails' arc, of course). Wouldn't they contradict that statement? Please excuse the hypothetical argument, it just all seems odd.

We didn't see him use speed in his battle against Kisame. Though it's reasonable that he should be considered the fastest before the Ten Tails arc since Gai showed no speed feats in the 7G.

It's just like how he was considered the fastest but then Naruto surpassed him when we saw feats. That's like the same for Gai..he showed feats that put him above Ay in terms of speed.

 

[wael reda]

Gai is surly faster than v2 ay when he uses the 7th gate

 

[Braiyan]

Bad example. Minato is stated to be faster than A and the you start talking about Edo Minato who is weaker than alive Minato?

Irrelevant. The difference between edo Minato's ability to react to attacks and alive Minato's ability is

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, and would have been significantly overcome by the fact that he was in Sage Mode. Madara would still have to be much faster than V2 A to hit him so quickly that he can't even teleport out of the way.

You also forgot the fact that Madara fully knew the fighting style for FTG users.

Madara knowing Minato can teleport has no bearing on Minato's ability to react to Madara's counterattacks. A also knew Minato could teleport the second time he tried attacking him, but was unable to stop Minato from teleporting away. If Sage Mode Minato was fast enough react to Madara, he would have teleported either before getting his arm chopped off or before getting kicked away.

Also Minato getting hit was plot,

Minato getting hit was due to him being too slow to react.

if you read the manga where it shows alive Minato then you know Minat doesn't have his arm all the way back after he FTG with a Rasengan, he has it mid attack already as he did against Obito

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. So someone who was in constant war with another clan that hand a FTG user would be able to know how to fight that user especially after seeing their brother killed by that style. Madara only had 1 eye against Gai but was using Susanoo, 5 wood clones per Kage, and acting A's comrades.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Madara was able to blitz Sage Mode Minato but was unable to do the same against 7th Gate Guy.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Irrelevant. The difference between edo Minato's ability to react to attacks and alive Minato's ability is

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, and would have been significantly overcome by the fact that he was in Sage Mode. Madara would still have to be much faster than V2 A to hit him so quickly that he can't even teleport out of the way.



Madara knowing Minato can teleport has no bearing on Minato's ability to react to Madara's counterattacks. A also knew Minato could teleport the second time he tried attacking him, but was unable to stop Minato from teleporting away. If Sage Mode Minato was fast enough react to Madara, he would have teleported either before getting his arm chopped off or before getting kicked away.



Minato getting hit was due to him being too slow to react.



This has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Madara was able to blitz Sage Mode Minato but was unable to do the same against 7th Gate Guy.

Actually it does. Revived Madara shown far more speed than Edo Madara ever did and you seem to forget the very fact that Minato barely used SM and he rarely used it in real combat so you're acting like he's going to be able to perfectly use a mode he rarely used and haven't used in many years perfectly. That's where you're mistaking, Minato was only using the Senjutsu to try and hurt Minato. He never shown to use the enhancement or sensory ability.

Minato not knowing Madara have full battle experience would prevent Minato in being prepared to FTG away since Madara anticipated his attack. Minato wasn't moving around, he appeared before Madara (Madara can easily see the kunai at his feet) and prepared to attack while Gai was moving in and out of Madara's vision since he only had 1 eye. Gai's speed isn't close to Minato's speed, when BM Naruto was moving at full speed Kakashi compared it to Minato's and Gai was shocked at such speed. A knows Minato's fighting style but you're missing the fact that Minato had many kunias while fighting A and there was only 1 by Madara feet.

Madara had both eyes, was mostly in Susanoo, sent 5 wood clones in Susanoo, and was attacking his comrades while he had 1 eye against Gai and was still able to counter and dodge well.

 

[Haizaki]

Lol Sagexx stop trying to downplay what happened. Madara seeing the kunai doesn't matter when Minato could teleport there with his speed. The thing is, he reacted to Mianto's movement.


Minato teleports as soon as the Kunai gets there...I'm pretty sure that's harder to see than someone running straight at you.