Who In Akatsuki Can Sasori Defeat?

Who In Akatsuki Can Sasori Defeat?


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Kakashi Fang

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is this inspired you to make this thread?
lol forget the past .
sasori is unbelievably strong.being ranked as the 3rd highest points in databook,in sense,he's physically immortal.none of physical attack work on him.

anyways,he can beat all members except itachi,nagato,orochimaru and madara.
Yes this is a response to the thread you posted in your link lol....BTW if physical attacks dont work on him than what does....???Mental attacks? What do you call Sakura's attacks and Chiyo's attacks physical right!?If anything physical attacks are the only thing that works on him.
Dont forget he cant beat Deidara or Kakazu or Konan
he can beat all except for madara, pain and itachi....
Deidara,Konan,Kisame,Hidan,Kakazu,and Orochimaru.
 

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Yes this is a response to the thread you posted in your link lol....BTW if physical attacks dont work on him than what does....???Mental attacks? What do you call Sakura's attacks and Chiyo's attacks physical right!?If anything physical attacks are the only thing that works on him.
Dont forget he cant beat Deidara or Kakazu or Konan


Deidara,Konan,Kisame,Hidan,Kakazu,and Orochimaru.
are you stoned he will defintally beat deidara hidan zetsu and konan and i will argue proving how these four are inferior to sasori but everyone else will win though
 

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He can definitely shit on Hidan. Sasori had no blood which means no curse. That core in his chest wasn't blood, at least I don't think so. It was purple.:/

EDIT: Misleading title. Oh well.:)
 

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Honestly, I seriously doubt if he could beat Deidera or Konan. The fact is, they're both actually extremely well suited to fight him. Sasori doesn't really have much that could stop their explosive jutsu from working, seeing as they have such a long range of attack.
 

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I believe Sasori was one of the strongest members of the Akatsuki, beaten only by: Pain, Konan & Itachi. Thats how I picture him anyway- he just got unluckily paired with an incredibly powerful puppeteer & a strong heavy-hitter.
 

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Analysis

Itachi vs Sasori

Sasori is literally the worse possible match for Itachi for 2 main reasons: his strengths are itachi's weaknesses. Itachi in his sick state would pose little match for Sasori.
As narutopedia states, Itachi's weakness is fighting prolonged matches against strong opponents. Since he can't do this, he resorts to strong genjutsu's to end a match quickly.
Sasori, as a puppet, has literally infinite stamina. Thus he can control the pace of the battle and outlast most opponents. He can prolong a match against sick itachi, until overuse of MS, or low stamina makes him succumb to his sickness, or until he simply passes out.
Itachi would have to resort to strong genjutsu's to end the match quickly, but this is a problem.

3 things almost everyone (including sasori fans) ignore when talking about him in vs. threads

1. Genjutsu's don't work on him. This has been long debated, but simply using the facts from the manga/anime, the fact is that he only has a heart. The real sasori is his heart. He doesn't have a brain IN his heart, like some say, because it is stated that he only has a heart/is a heart, not has his lungs, brain, spleen, stomach, liver, kidneys, etc. in his heart container. Without a brain, no genjutsu can work, since genjutsu's are illusionary images that use the physical brain of an opponent. Sasori also doesn’t have a normal Chakra circulation System (CCS). He only has a heart that projects chakra threads through his fingers, or from a right cavity. A genjutsu would paralyze his body via his chakra that runs through his body, but with a puppet body (no CCS), his body would not be paralyzed. Basically, only the chakra in his heart would be distorted, but w/o a brain, no genjutsu would actually do anything. For those who know of ghost in the shell, consider cyberbrains- not physical brains you, but they are cybernetic computer brains. That which would work on a normal brain would not work on such a computer brain, thus to say genjutsu's work on a puppet is like saying one would work on a robot. Now this is not to insult readers, because I admit that it makes no sense. Sasori can stand in a cloud of gas and not die, since he doesn't breath. But w/o oxygen, how does his heart cells not die- w/o lungs, how is his heart sustained? He shouldn't be able to live. Same w/thinking w/o a brain- it doesn't make sense, but going strictly on the manga/anime that says that he only has a brain, I must say that he somehow thinks w/o a brain. Kishi perhaps needs a lesson in biology (or he should have explained Sasori's biological makeup), but the fact remains that people should take that up with him. My stance is that genjutsu's thus don't work on a puppet.
2. Everyone acts like the second Itachi pulls out susanoo, that it would be over for Sasori. Not so- poison gas & poison from smoke bombs CAN go through susanoo. This should be obvious- susanoo is only a chakra form, which is energy. Gas can go through it as it isn't solid. Air/gas has to pass through susanoo or else Itachi would suffocate. It isn't sealed. When Mei faces Sasuke, though his susanoo is incomplete, her acidic mist (gas) slips right pass the chakra of susanno and melts it's ribs. So yes, poison gas can go through susanoo. Everyone also forgets that Sasori has 2 rotary wind blades on either side of him, allowing him to fly. Thus he can easily fly outside of the range of Susanoo's sword, while dropping endless poison gas bombs on Itachi, until the entire battlefield is gassed. Some say itachi can hold his breath. It is implied that Itachi had TB, as he coughed up blood in his match against sasuke. TB=respiratory illness. He wouldn't be able to hold his breath for long. Some say he could do what Sakura did. Yet Chiyo said it was reckless- it's a miracle Sakura survived. Yet even though she did, she was unconscious after using an exploding tag. Chiyo had to nurse her back to consciousness- who would nurse itachi back to consciousness? And the second he went out of it, Susanoo would disperse
3. Everyone jumps on the Amaterasu bandwagon, yet this might be the worse possible thing Itachi could do. First, Iron sand can easily block ammy. Sasori can switch his heart into another puppet case in a split second, before Ammy burns the puppet completely. He could then attach puppet strings to the former Sasori (empty shell now ignited) and send it towards Itachi. Contrary to what many say, Ammy doesn't burn 'as hot as the sun,' i.e. burn anything to ashes automatically, as can be seen with the Samurai armor in the Land of Iron, and the Raikage's arm. Only if Itachi constantly focuses on an object will it burn quickly. With sasuke, sasuke himself was caught on fire then shed his skin, which is why it burned so quickly- the trees around the Uchiha hideout were caught on fire yet burned slowly- not even 1 tree burned down. And no, a sharingan cannot automatically locate Sasori's heart, since it's NOT the Byakugan (might be wrong here). So sasori wouldn't just burn to ashes quickly. Even more, imagine 100 puppets, all caught on black flames & with poison weapons, flying at you at once! If Itachi used ammy against the 100 puppets, then he might incinerate some of them, but would only ignite most of them- Sasori's 100 puppet jutsu would be 100x deadlier! Itachi would inevitably be caught on fire by his own flames (everyone forgets that the user of ammy is not immune to his own black flames). I assume that Itachi can put out his own flames (despite the fact that narutopedia says only sasuke can), but he would have to concentrate on putting out the flames engulfing him while not being re-ignited by more puppets flying at him. So he would probably be re-ignited by black flames. And during this time of he'd have to not be so much as scratched by 1 poison weapon. He'd have to resort to Susanoo to defend himself, which requires great strain. Ammy also can't burn chakra/chakra strings like some say (I don't think so, but like many things here, I could be wrong. Btw, this is my first post, so go easy on me. I'm humble enough to admit when i'm wrong:)
Even more, ,with Sasori flying with his wind blades, Itachi couldn't hit him if he flies high and is dropping poison gas bombs. It's like trying to hit a fly with a gun.
Itach's fire element jutsu's are mid-range. Not getting hit with poison needles is hard at close range while doing a jutsu (itachi couldn't dog 2 shuriken at mid range while about to do a jutsu), and IF sasori gets on fire, then he can switch bodies and send the ignited puppet at Itachi, or put the fire out with a water scroll jutsu.
Some say Itachi could just make shadow clones and sit back and study Sasori's movements- Sasori could also make sand clones and study Itahci's movements- both have a 5 rating of intelligence in the Naruto STATbook. Sasori is said to be slow by many, yet he has a 4.5 rating of speed in the stat book- faster than Kakuzu, as fast as Sasuke and Kakashi, and almost as fast as Itachi himself.
Even more, with Sasori in Hiruko, Itachi might try to use that MS genjutsu on Sasori, and thus would waste chakra before realizing that Sasori was a puppet that couldn't fall for genjutsu.
When one adds all of this together, one can see that Itachi in his sick state would not win against sasori- sasori, once again,, would be able to strike Itachi's Achilles heel. The stamina factor alone is Itachi's weakness against Sasori, such that Sasori would be able to control the match and use poison to win with relative ease. I'm neither a Sasori fan or an Itachi fan, so I readily admit that Itachi would probably win in his prime (not going blind, and not sick). Fan=fanatic, btw, and I'm not a fanatic of any character. I just think itachi is overrated and Sasori is underrated.
 

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Hidan vs Sasori
Sasori has no blood, so Hidan can't curse kill him. Hidan w/o Kakuzu, can't thread himself if he is decapitated. Sasori wins.

Konan vs Sasori
No idea


Jiraiya vs Sasori
No idea, but I'd honestly put my bets on Jiraiya

Kisame vs Sasori
A bad match up. While most say Samehada can just eat Sasori's chakra strings, the fact is that he would have to be close to Sasori to do it- inf act, he's have to be behind the puppet since chakra strings aren't in front of the puppet. Kisame is a strong melee fighter, but most forget that Sasori is one of the few that makes up for taijutsu being a puppeteers weakness. Even more, CQC/close-range fighters are always weak against long range fighters. If sasori got too close to Kisame, then yes he would be in trouble. But if he stayed far away, then Kisame would be toast, since sasori can just use long-range attacks against Kisame. Kisame could use the water dome jutsu that he used against Killer bee, but Sasori could just fill the entire dome with poison (like Bee with ink), since poison can travel through water and diffuse through Kisame 'gills' and into his system; then Sasori could fly with his wind blades out of the water dome to an island to sip apple cider while Kisame is going numb from poison. And Sasori wouldn't drown in the water dome since he doesn't breath. If kisame did the huge water jutsu that he used against Team Gai, then Sasori could fly over it and rain poison needles/smoke bombs on Kisame, or use Iron Sand World Order, where Kisame would get poisoned/hit. Almost all other water jutsu's can be easily blocked by Iron Sand (yet water messes up sand). Sasori wins with mid difficulty.

Pain vs Sasori
This is tricky. While most say Sasori would lose easily, he wouldn't. First the misconception is that poison doesn't work on dead bodies- why then did a rasengan from Jiraiya on the animal path result in blood coming out of the that Pain- same when he impaled them with swords? Poison travels through the blood-stream; despite being dead bodies, they are biologically living flesh. The cells are living, which means they require blood, so biologically they are 'alive.' thus poison in the blood will effect them, and numb them. And since they aren't dead, the Pain that resurrects bodies won't be able to resurrect them- they will just be useless on the battlefield. Summons? They are too living flesh biologically (blood), SO THEY CAN BE POISONED. The multi-headed dog thus would pose no problem. Shinra Tensai? Puppets go by-bye? Not quite- Sasori can remake his body if he's smashed to pieces, and some of his puppets can too. And with the 5-second window, sasori can exploit that to poison Pain. Am I saying Sasori would win? No- Pain would. Planetary devastation would crush Sasori, and the demonic statue that can steal souls would kill him instantly. So Pain wins, but not as easily as people say.

Kakuzu vs Sasori
This would be hard for Sasori for 2 reasons- Kakuzu can harden his skin making all physical poison needles and even 100 puppets with poison blades, pointless. Yet he still breathes oxygen, so poison gas can work. And despite what some say, Kakuzu's hearts can be poisoned, and the main Kakuzu can too- he can take organs and hearts into his won body, but that has nothing to do with his circulatory system folks. He still has 1 set of arteries, 1 set of veins, etc (I ASSUME- why would he have a heart If he had no veins/arteries?). So poison would still go through his body, whether he can take more organs into his body or not. Again, this I say as an assumption, as I have no idea what his biological makeup is- I assume he has veins. Kakuzu can use both the wind and fire hearts to create a massive fire blast (since wind+ fire=bigger fire), and I don't know if a hard wall of Iron Sand can withstand it, but it probably could. If he used a combo blast of all 4 natures, then Sasori is probably toast.

Sasuke vs Sasori
Ironically, sasuke would do much better against Sasori then Itachi would, since Sasuke doesn't have the stamina limitations, neither does he use genjutsu's that much.
Ammy? Talked about that.
Susanoo? Talked about that. Susanoo's arrows would be blocked by Iron Sand, or at least diverted in it's path. Sasori can be broken to pieces and just remake his body.
Genjutsu's? Talked about that.
Kirin? Utterly pointless in a real fight, unless they happen to be fighting outside in a rainstorm. It takes minutes (not seconds) to prepare and use. Sasori won't stand there and let him use it. And though Iron sand probably won't block it, it will dilute it's power.
Sasuke has little long range attacks- fire jutsu's are mid range. He can use wires with fire jutsu's, but Sasori won't stand there while he does that. Chidori blade is mid range, so no there. The closer Sasuke gets (he's already hot headed and not as cautious as Itachi), the more likelihood he'd get poisoned, especially w/o prior knowledge. And Oro making Sasuke immune to poison does not mean immune to all poisons, especially poison of the highest calibre (sasori's). Chidori? Too close- people constantly say that Sakura could evade all 100 puppets, but forget that if Sasuke could also, w/o super strength he'd just be on the defensive. He can't punch one puppet and not break his hand. He can't use chidori 100 times to destroy all either. The 'if Sakura could do ___, then ___ would win' is wrong, since Sakura can do things most others can't do, and Chiyo was the main problem for Sasori- Sakura wouldn't have lasted 1 minute in the fight w/o Chiyo.
Yet the most obvious thing is this- what happens when one mixes electricity/lightning with magnetism? They create an electromagnetic field. Now I'm writing this quickly, and don't claim to know physics well, so if I”m wrong, then let someone tell me (again, I don't claim to know everything). But with the creation of an electromagnetic field, then the person that is put in that field (i.e. using chidori at close range, by Kakashi/sasuke) will charge them and make them into a living magnet IF the field doesn't crush them. That would make the unfortunate fellow a large metal magnet, so that the Kazekage puppet can literally control the person, just like Magneto can easily control Wolverine. With such a field, metal weapons can also be charged as the opposite charge, so that Sasori can make kakashi/sasuke collide with 100 kunai or poisoned swords. He would literally be able to control them. Kirin, with it's large burst of lightning, would make it worse, if the magnetic field is strong enough. So any strong lightning user would be easy meat against the Kazekage puppet- including Sasuke, Kakashi, Kakuzu (the lightning heart), Raikage (lightning armor)etc. Kakuzu would have to stay outside of the field to not be 'charged,' and thus could still win.
*(EDIT Above is wrong, I'm sure. But a better argument is this- the human body has many metals in it- Hemoglobin alone, in the blood, has a certain metal as it's core element in the macromolecule- IRON (FE +2 if I remember correctly). Thus if the Kazekage puppet can control iron sand, then it could control the Iron in the blood/body of an opponent, which =instant kill for ANYONE. A strong EM Field due to lightning jutsu's would probable increase the effect.)
 

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Deidara vs Sasori
Deidara said Sasori would win, so I'd say Sasori. Deidara's nano-bomb jutsu might not work against Sasori since he doesn't breath (Itachi vs Deidara Note though that Deidara's nano-bombs are on the billionth of a meter scale, and thus would compare to air molecules- in a word, it can also pass through susanoo, and would thus be inhaled by Itachi. W/o lightning affinity, Itachi would be toast. Btw, Itachi vs Kisame? Kisame's sword can literally absorb/eat all of Susanoo, since it's chakra! Itachi would still win of course. Itachi vs Pain. Nagato/Pain can also absorb chakra, and thus could absorb susanoo. We all know Pain would win there.)

Gaara vs Sasori
Sasori's iron sand is better than Gaara's sand and can be used in the same way (it can even take the shape of any weapon), and that's just 1 weapon. Yet Gaara's sand is much more ubiquitous, much easier to control, much quicker, etc. Still, I'd say Sasori.


Kakashi vs Sasori
Kumai drains Kakashi out a lot, and he can't aim it very well or use it in an instant until later. Deidara was flying slowly in a linear fashion, and Kakashi had trouble using it. Sasori won't just stand there and watch while he does it. Or if Sasori is flying in a non-linear fashion, then Kakashi can't use it. All water and fire jutsu' Kakashi can do that we've seen, can easily be blocked by iron sand (water would mess up the sand though). Iron Sand world Order would probably end it there. Going under ground to grab Sasori and using shadow clones is good, but even if Kakashi got that close to use chidori on the real sasori, Sasori could transfer his heart in an instant. All 100- puppets pose the same problem to him as it does to most non-sakura/tsunade nin- he can dodge but can't strike all with 100 chidori's. If Kakashi uses Kumai on the wrong Sasori (an empty shell) and then is worn out, then he's toast. Sasori can fly high and drop poison gas bombs. The possibilities are endless- Kakashi loses. And everyone assumes for some odd reason, that he'd have an antidote, though he isn't a medical nin. One scratch and it's over. Then there's the lightning problem against Magnetism. More? Why does Sakura wear gloves? Many state that Kakashi can use chidori against a wall of iron sand, if Sasori used it as Gaara does (an absolute defense). Kakashi wears gloves, but it exposes the fingers, so doing lightning cutter against iron sand (or punching iron sand) will result in Kakashi being scratched by the iron sand- poisoned.

Guy vs Sasori
A bad match-up- close range vs long range = long range generally wins. In the same cave where Chiyo/sakura fought Sasori, if guy used Noon Tiger than he might beat Sasori- if he misses and hits an empty shell (i.e. if Sasori blasts a hole in the top of the cave and flies out), then guy can't do anything else. Sasori can just fly and avoid his taijutsu, while raining poison gas bombs onto the battlefield, where guy will most likely eventually inhale it.

Madara vs Sasori
Everyone assumes that Madara would win. But if Minato could trick Madara into becoming tangible to use a well-timed Rasengan on him, then where Sasori doesn't have speed, he has numbers. If he could trick Madara into sucking in a sasori that is an empty shell (heart transfer), then the real sasori, with all 100 puppets, should be able to impale or at least scratch Madara while he's tangible- having to be tangible while sucking people into another dimension is his weakness. Am I saying Sasori can beat Madara outright? No- the battle can go either way.

Sasori vs Shino/aburame clan
Sasori loses easily. Why? TERMITES

I, being objective and non-biased (try to be) readily admit that everyone above who I said would lose to Sasori, w/the right location, could also beat him- that goes for EVERYONE above (accept lightning users, and possibly sick Itachi). Honestly, no one in akatsuki is weak, or else they wouldn't be in akatsuki- the organization is made up of insanely, Kage-level nin: ALL with abilities that are around the same level. Anyone in the org. could, w/the right location, beat anyone else in the organization (GENERALLY). It's sad that people are so biased that they cling to their favorite character in Akaktsuki and spit on every other character: people are EXTREMELY biased in the forums.

Also note- on the web, an 'official' level chart supposedly from Kishi, put Sasori as 4th strongest in akatsuki, 2nd only to Pain and Itachi (& Madara). Sasori is widely regarded as the strongest nin in the Sand (village's) history, AT 15! He defeated not a hidden village, but a COUNTRY, with 1 JUTSU! He killed the most powerful Kage in Sand's history, at 15 (no reason to say he just slipped poison into the Kage's drink, like some assume, I..e that he didn't fight the Kazekage and beat him- it's implied that he did).

P.S. Remember folks, I don't claim to no everything in Naruo- if i'm wrong, just correct me.
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