Who In Akatsuki Can Sasori Defeat?

Who In Akatsuki Can Sasori Defeat?


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(EDIT) PLEASE NOTE TO ADD TO THE OP
I did some research and I have to add some stuff.
1. Regarding Kakashi's and Kakuzu's water jutsu's damaging Sasori's Iron sand (since water +sand=messed up sand), that is FALSE. Water jutsu's wouldn't mess up the IS at all, since it is just Iron filaments, not sand. I somehow thought it was sand mixed up with Iron- it isn't. So blocking water jutsu's would be easy with IS.
2. Gaara would be easy meat ASSUMING Sasori is out of Hiruko. Why? He could use the water scroll jutsu on Gaara's absolute defense sand shield. As said water messes up sand. Or he could use the powerful flame scroll jutsu to render his sand very hot, then use water immedaitely- Gaara's sand defense would crack like an egg. Or he could cleverly put iron sand and mix it with Gaara's sand (like Deidara mixed his clay with Gaara's sand), the when Gaara puts up his defense, Sasori can use the IS to attack Gaara (w/sand bullets maybe?) while he's in the sand dome w/o any defense.
3. The point about Electromagnetic fields isn't entirely wrong (I don't think). As seen with Toroi (manga), who does similair things, it might be valid if the EM field is strong enough, i.e. strong magnetism w/strong electricity. If it's true, then Sasuke, Kakashi and Raikage would have no chance against Sasori once the Kazekage puppet is out.

Thanks all
Note- I'm mature enough to respect another's opinion even if it differs from mine. I never said 'I'm right and everyone else is wrong'- as long as people actually use arguments with logic, instead of just writign one-line opinions based on nothing, especailly since I have addressed many things that people are disagreeing with (i wonder if people actually read the OP?). I'm sickened by the fact that adults can't discuss things intelligently on forums w/o it turnign into an insult contest. I haven't given any offense/insults/disrespect, and I hope to not receive any. If I'm wrong, I will happily admit it.
 

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imo sasori is the weakest of akatsuki now that i think about it...
thats maybe why sakura (after a loooong battle) could defeat him lol
maybe deidara, but i think they will end up both dead if deidara uses his suicide attack...
I think hidan is the weakest he even said himself that he was the slowest in the akatsuki
 

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For those who still use the 'Sasori was beaten by Sakura' thing.
#1 Misconception 'Sasori was defeated by Sakura'
This takes the cake by far for the most biased, foolish misconception there is in NF. It is amazing- it requires one to literally ignore the very underrated Chiyo, as if she wasn't even in the battle. Any other 2 nin from Konoha wouldn't do as well as they did (other than Tsunade + ___). Sakura=talented medical nin w/antidote. Chiyo is passed off as an 'old hag' (Tsunade is an old hag too? She doesn't look old so biased fans don't pass her off as weak just because she's old. Sarutobi, Madara, Danzo, Tsunade, etc. are never called 'old hags.' Biased). She's a legendary Kage level puppeteer. No on else had as much knowledge on Sasori as her (which is why the Sand called on her in the 1st place). She knew of Hiruko, knew of the 3rd Kazekage/Iron Sand ability, figured out the heart container being the real Sasori, and last but not least, was the person who taught Sasori the puppet jutsu! Only strong puppeteers can face other Kage-level puppeteers- Sasori had the worse possible match-up against a medic nin trained by Tsunade (w/an antidote) and a Kage level puppeteer that knew him in and out (for the most part/generally).The most obvious thing is this- was Sakura the one who killed Sasori? Wasn't it Chiyo at the end who did that? Didn't she do most of the work that actually resulted in damage to Sasori? Is Sakura a puppeteer- I thought Chiyo used ma and pa puppets to impale sasori- Sakura did? ? I thought Sakura was collapsed on the ground with a poisoned blade through her gut as she yelped in pain. So Sasori defeated Sakura, or Sakura defeated Sasori? Did Sakura grow some Sharingan and copy Chiyo's jutsu, and magically become a puppeteer at the end? Was it one big optical illusion, where it appeared that chiyo killed Sasori, but it was really Sakura? Then why would anyone say Sakura defeated Sasori? An intermission- 99% of nin couldn't defeat Sasori 1 on 1 (yes, for Chiyo/Sakura it was 2 against 1. Mindless puppets don't count, since it was 2 thinking beings vs 1 thinking being). Tsunade wouldn't do exceedingly better against Sasori ALONE then Sakura would- and Sakura would have been killed in the first 15 seconds w/o Chiyo helping her with chakra strings. And poison is not the only thing sasori can do, so it's not like 'if you have an antidote, then you will win.' 99% of nin aren't medic nins w/Sakura's abilities (since she does have abilities). 99% aren't skilled puppeteers that knew Sasori so well. If Sakura could do antidotes/use super strength, then most can't. So the argument of 'if sakura can beat him/do it, then ___ could' is nonsense, since it completely negates Chiyo, and most can't do what Sakura can. The 'Sasori is weak' thing is nonsense- Kishi himself put Sasori in the top 10 strongest fighters in the Naruto universe, for the 1st part of Shippuden. (Note that Jiraiya was #1 I think). But 'Sakura defeated the Kazekage puppet!' Ummm... but that wasn't defeating Sasori (she tricked him- he had no way of knowing that she had an antidote. Even in part 1, Sakura was always intelligent even when not strong in combat). But 'Sakura punched Sasori to pieces.' Ummm... he remade himself and was literally unscathed. But 'sakura threw that sealing device at Sasori.' Ummm... He switched bodies and was again literally unscathed. So no, Sakura didn't defeat Sasori anymore than Naruto defeated Zabuza (for saving Kakashi and turning Zabuza to the light), or anymore than Hinata defeated Pain (for saving Naruto and provoking him into KM, which turned the tide of the battle), or anymore than Lee defeated Kimimorro (for helping Gaara, yet the K man died due to his illness). Sakura helped- that's it.
 

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1b. 'Sasori lost to Sakura and chiyo'
This is also basically wrong. It's amazing- sasori didn't lose to them anymore than Itachi lost to his baby brother (who didn't even have MS- how embarrassing. I can't imagine losing in a fight to my baby brother that is 7 years younger. I’m being sarcastic of course so people who bash Sasori can see how they sound)- both CHOSE to die. People have no problem admitting that Itachi had Sasuke beat but chose to die, having planned to die- but people have a problem admitting it for Sasori. Biased. If Sakura & Chiyo beat Sasori fair and square, then Sasuke beat Itachi fair and square, and Lee/Gaara beat Kimm. fair and square. In all such cases, the person left alive won by DEFAULT. Itachi could have chosen to lose to Chiyo/Sakura, or even to the weakest Genin of Konoha- if he CHOSE to die, then that wouldn't make him weak. Choosing to lose doesn't =being beaten. Sarutobi could have dodged the Kusanagi attack- no one argues with that, because Oro said it. Hiruzen chose not to dodge it so he could seal Oro and die in the process. Did Madara beat Minato because in the end Minato died by his own CHOICE after having beat Madara? Madara was the 'last man standing.' So did he win? No- no one says that. Yet people swear Sasori couldn't dodge that last attack though Chiyo says otherwise. Biased. Kimimorro died by his sickness, and wasn't defeated by either shinobi, and he died right before putting a bone attack right through Gaara's skull. Gaara admitted that he lost. Does anyone deny that? No. Chiyo said she/they lost. Do people swear she was speaking nonsense? Yes. Biased. Shikamaru had Temari in a corner during the Chunin exams, then he forfeited, so she won by default. Who had who beat? Was Deidara killed by Sasuke if he blew himself up while Sasuke had no interest in fighting anymore? So Sasori lost to those 2 by choosing to die? Proof that Sasori did choose to die- w/the Iron Sand bullets, after Granny & Sakura had no more shields left, he could have killed them if he did the attack ONE more time- ma and pa puppets were out of chakra shields. He didn't do the attack again. Hmm.. I wonder why (though I admit it might have been plot protection. The fact is Sakura and Chiyo had to live, Sasori didn't. W/o PP, they would have died early on). Sasori still had a 4th scroll in the back of his puppet body, probably w/a super-strong puppet/jutsu, but he never used it in the entire fight. Hmmm... I wonder why. Sasori had ~300 puppets in his arsenal, yet he used ~101- that means that he didn't use even ½ of his true power/puppets against them. Hmmm. I wonder why (was he holding back considerably in the fight? So far it seems so).When Sakura threw that sealing device at Sasori, he could have dodged it easily, having many seconds (or he could have blocked it w/fodder puppets, i.e. hit it to divert it's path). He didn't. Hmm... I wonder why. When he switched his heart, out of the many puppets that he could have switched to, he switched to a puppet body right behind the ma and pa puppets. Hmmm... I wonder why. Since Chiyo and Sakura destroyed ONLY HALF of his 100 at most (not 100 or 122 like some say), and since his new puppet body was literally an exact image of his old one, he could have resurrected the remaining puppets (from the 100) w/chakra strings, and killed them, but he didn't. Hmm... I wonder why. I wonder about all of these 'coincidences.' Could it be because Sasori planned his death and chose to die in the 'loving' embrace of his ma and pa (to receive their love) JUST LIKE THE ANIME AND MANGA EXPLICITLY SAY via Chiyo and flashback imagery? But what is this- Sasori won before he even gave up, and they later won by default. How do I know this? At the end, Chiyo was on the ground poisoned and going numb (like Kankuro). Sakura had a poisoned blade running through her gut- she collapsed to the ground yelping in pain. Last man standing? That be Sasori. For those saying Sasori 'might' have won if he dodged the attack- what? He didn't have to do ANYTHING else- they were already beaten! He was literally in the same state that he was in at the beginning of the fight (w/ less chakra though)- literally unscathed (since again, the real Sasori is the heart container, not the puppet body. He can have his puppet body broken and shattered and sealed endlessly, if he goes into another body, then he's unscathed. He's almost immortal). He still had infinite stamina, not '2x the stamina of Chiyo & Sakura' like some say. I repeat- INFINTIE STAMINA, even at the end of the fight. They were done for. He could have casually dropped an exploding tag on them and slowly, casually walked away with a yawn (in the least, Sakura, who couldn’t even move, would have been blown to bits. And Granny was going numb, so she probably would to). Just like he beat Kankuro, but left knowing Kankuro was as good as dead, he beat those 2 and could have simply left them, knowing they were toast. Sakura in the least, needed immediate medical attention (all the more reason why I can't believe anyone would say Sakura, who was on the ground dying with a blade running through her, 'beat Sasori'). Why then did he pointlessly run forward right into an attack, for seemingly no reason, accept to die? He's a long range fighter anyway- he didn't need to use CQC. Obviously he ran forward to die like he wanted to, explaining why he chose that puppet body to transfer his heart into (right behind the ma and pa puppets). And w/~200 puppets left, he could have summoned 1 to finish killing Chiyo and Sakura from a distance, and then just left. Thus it is nigh impossible to say he 'wouldn't have won if he did dodge the attack.' Some come up with another thing because it seems people will come up with every conceivable argument do ignore what is right in the Manga/anime- they say 'He was too slow to dodge the attack.' With a 4.5 speed stat, and seeing through the attack, it is impossible that he couldn't have dodged that, and once again, he had no reason to go closer to them instead of attacking them from long range. And he could have switched his heart again in a split second, so no, he could have dodged it with ease. So sasori was holding back from the point that he saw ma and pa, all the while planning to die in their embrace. After beating the 2, he chose to die/lose (like Itachi did after 'beating' Sasuke). The evidence suggests my conclusion- this is rational, non-biased, objective thinking. Did Sarutobi choose to die- did Shikam. choose to forfeit- did Kimm die via sickness before beating Gaara- did Deidara blow himself up- did Zabuza choose defeat to do what was right? Yes. Did Itachi or Sasori lose their fights? No. End of story.

Written in ~30 minutes. Again, first post guys, so go easy. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong- I have no problems admitting it and changing my argument. I'm all about trying to be as objective as possible.
 
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