Who has the strongest Mokuton Jutsu?

[Don Drama]

unfortunately only kishi's laws apply here U_U
thats why in my first post i said "unless the manga says so", read it

Nah, I beg to differ, and a lot of us do. That's why we explore all possiblities.
If you settle with your simpleton way of thinking.. that's your choice.

 

[rollin]

kabuto said the first hokage was stronger

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but I'm not too sure

 

[MadaraHashirama]

Every Mokuton technique Madara does comes from Hashirama, even the clones, because Madara himself said he was the only one who could see through it as his enemy, this can only mean that it is from Hashirama.

Madara will never do it on Hashirama's scale, Hashirama is the descendant of the younger son which was inherited life force and physical energy. Saying Madara could be better because of the Rinnegan/Sharingan is like saying if you give Madara's EMS/Rinnegan to Hashirama he will be better with it, because of the physical energy and the life force he has.:sy:

Madara only just started using it and he has a bit of Hashirama DNA, for the scale he's been using it I admit it's pretty good but to say he's better then Hashirama who used it all his life that's just headache-giving.

 

[Ryuu..]

Hashirama has the strongest.

 

[Big bengi]

His mokuton jutsu won't surpass hashirama's even when kushi says so, Roger that.

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[Gatsndshanks]

This thread is useless.

The techniques that Madara uses are ones that Hashirama used also. They aren't Madara's original techs.

 

[silmarill]

probably hashirama because madara said all whats left of hashirama is some power clinging to him

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this guy just gave an explenation to your thread
+rep for u dude

 

[lol99]

Nah, I beg to differ, and a lot of us do. That's why we explore all possiblities.
If you settle with your simpleton way of thinking.. that's your choice.

if you ignore the manga its your choice. It has been repeatedly stated that hashi was the strongest. Madaras mokuton is not advanced than him in any way. If any its inferior.
Lmao look at the posts, you can see how many ppl agree with you

Close this thread to avoid further embarrassment to yourself

 

[Wysten]

I believe Madara has quite easily supassed the 1st in Mokuton in his Edo state. He's already copied several jutsu that was previously signiture to him perfectly. Including Wood Clones, the Forest. Though perhaps that is the Edo that is merely providing the charka to put as much energy as he desires into it.

Nothing more to say really. Theres nothing to suggest he is better at it then the 1st, but to the underserning eye, he appears just as powerful and experienced in it to have completely mastered it in what life he had left. Again, this could be subject to Kabutos "improvements" and mightn't be anything to do with Madara's own personal mastery.

 

[leafeater]

Uchiha Madara and his powerful eyes have redefined the meaning of "Bloodline Limit" or "Kekkei Genkai".

Did Madara surpassed Hashirama's Mokuton Jutsu level?

I guess I'll start where you end. I don't believe ET Madara has done enough to say he surpassed Hashirama in Mokutoun proficiency, nor would I expect that at this point or any point in the manga unless perhaps if ET Madara takes over the world, lol.

Hashirama used Mokutoun alone (i.e. sans a doujutsu as ET Madara does, but obviously he used other techniques and had Mito's aid with sealing Kurama either during or after the fight at VoE) and defeated EMS Madara (who brought a Sharingan controlled Kurama) at the Valley of End (VoE). Further, Hashirama actively had this ability almost his entire life (not sure the age he awakened his KG), whereas ET Madara when he first used Mokutoun said that he wanted to "test something out." Thus, Mokutoun mastery, via user experience/first-hand knowledge, should clearly go to Hashirama despite the fact that ET Madara has been impressive in his display of Mokutoun jutsu. I believe that Hashirama also has the hype from ET Madara et al. and feats (see above, Yamato's statements, I also believe he helped build Konoha using Mokutoun. Recall how tiring a little work was for Yamato in rebuilding after Nagato.) over ET Madara with respect to Mokutoun.

It's very hard to evaluate Hashirama though, as all that we've actually seen of him (i.e. feats not hype) is as an ET under Orochimaru's control along with ET Tobirama, neither of which impressed as some ET's (e.g. ET Kages) under Kabuto have. ET Hashirama and ET Tobirama with Orochimaru's arms were defeated/sealed by old Hiruzen -- or stalemated if you prefer given the nature of the Death Reaper Seal (DRS) jutsu. I say defeated I suppose, when I refer to Orochimaru having to retreat and kill his plans for taking over Konoha. Obviously the DRS jutsu is one that ideally takes both the caster's and the opponent's souls together; thus referring to it as a stalemate is a more accurate description in that respect. As powerful as Hiruzen may have been in his prime (called the "God of Shinobi/Professor") along with his other hype, he was clearly lacking assets such as chakra/stamina in his old age, as noted by Orochimaru and possibly the ANBU Black OPs (don't recall).

Kabuto's ET Madara, despite holding back, is giving the 5 Kages fits and about all that they can take at the moment using primarily Mokutoun (he's used other jutsu, including the Uchiha MS jutsu Susanoo as well). Further, Kabuto's enhancements (i.e. Hashirama face on his chest, etc.) over Madara's golden age aren't entirely clear as to how much it's improved his ability with Mokutoun compared to the living Madara (nor the precise details of their mechanism of action), who only had a portion of Hashirama's strength alive. Thus, ET Madara is most likely greater than Madara with respect to Mokutoun at least.

Further, I believe that ET Madara stated that Hashirama was the stronger ninja of the two, I'd have to go back and check the manga, but he has certainly given Hashirama lots of hype numerous times. Granted, not all referring to Mokutoun, such as his self-healing ability sans hand seals, etc.

Finally, there's the other Mokutoun users: Yamato, Danzou, white Zetsu's and possibly Tobi.

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Yamato's wood release doesn't have the life energy displayed by others (witnessed by Naruto's Kyuubi Mode presence), including Danzou, though his control is better than Danzou's possibly. Hard to tell since he lost control near death. However, Yamato has the lifetime of experience with the jutsu and known feats in the manga with it that we haven't seen from Danzou, so I would put him ahead of Danzou. The white Zetsu's don't really use their Mokutoun, so it's hard to tell. Tobi may or may not have Mokutoun, but since he's not displayed it yet, for now I have to rank him last as a zero is the smallest non-negative number of relevance on NB.

Hashirama > ET Madara > Yamato > Madara (too little info, so could slide) > Danzou (too little info) > White Zetsu -> Tobi (possesses Mokutoun?)

The top 3 known users I think are pretty clear. Namely, they're Hashirama, ET Madara, and then Yamato. We have the best info on them. I don't know enough about Madara and Danzou to know which order they should go in. White Zetsu is not the fighting type according to Tobi, so that bumps him down. Tobi is an unknown, which automatically makes him the lowest, subject to change.

Peace

 

[Sexy Jutsu]

Blah blah blah... here you guys are arguing about Madara and Hashirama, when it's clear that JIRAIYA has the strongest Mokuton Jutsu every time he sees a hot girl. xd

 

[NarutoLuffy313]

Hashirama has the strongest.

 

[Blaze Release]

You have a case. When madara used Mokuton: Kajukai Korin, Tsunade commented firstly that, it was her grandfathers technique:

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She then went on to say, what incredible scale, he created a forest in an instant;

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This leads me to believe that, yes madara's mokouton ability is greater than hashirama's, has nothing to do with skill though but enhancements. Judging by Tsunade's reaction Hashirama couldnt produce the technique to such great scale but also couldnt produce it as quick as madara did. This leads me to belief that apart from the enhancements, madara's real enhancements is power more than skill. Similarly we saw nagato with the rennigan pull a little rock. Madara pulled 2 ****ing meteors in quick succession. Just like mokouton, it seems madara's enhancements has allowed him to use jutsu's on a much larger skill but also in quick successions.

So yes he is a more powerful mokotuon and rennigan user than hashirama and nagato because his jutsu's are on a greater skill and in quick succession. Note the word power though because there is a difference between that and skill. Im certain hashirama is still the more skilled mokotuon user, just like how nagato is the more skilled rennigan user

 

[MadaraHashirama]

You have a case. When madara used Mokuton: Kajukai Korin, Tsunade commented firstly that, it was her grandfathers technique:

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She then went on to say, what incredible scale, he created a forest in an instant;

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This leads me to believe that, yes madara's mokouton ability is greater than hashirama's, has nothing to do with skill though but enhancements. Judging by Tsunade's reaction Hashirama couldnt produce the technique to such great scale but also couldnt produce it as quick as madara did. This leads me to belief that apart from the enhancements, madara's real enhancements is power more than skill. Similarly we saw nagato with the rennigan pull a little rock. Madara pulled 2 ****ing meteors in quick succession. Just like mokouton, it seems madara's enhancements has allowed him to use jutsu's on a much larger skill but also in quick successions.

So yes he is a more powerful mokotuon and rennigan user than hashirama and nagato because his jutsu's are on a greater skill and in quick succession. Note the word power though because there is a difference between that and skill. Im certain hashirama is still the more skilled mokotuon user, just like how nagato is the more skilled rennigan user

Hashirama could also create forests in an instant

 

[Kratos of cruxis]

No hashirama has the strongest mokutan think about it madara has like 30% of his dna and hashi is hashi

 

[Don Drama]

You puny mortals still don't get it..

What is stronger Fire or Wood??? Fire burns wood!! .. common sense people!
Hashirama is stonger than Madara in other terms, but please stop pushing the idea of Hashirama's wood release is stronger than Madara's Fire jutsu.

Yet again, Madara now posseses the Senju DNA. By definition he is the complete reincarnation of Rikudo. Mixing the once divided Uchiha and Senju power in Madara is a volatile cocktail of Godship.

 

[Midday]

The manga is currently using Madara to show Hashirama's power so i'll assume they're equal unless said otherwise.

Madara acquired Hashirama's power during they're fight when they were young no more than 30. Madara's should have seen almost everything of Hashirama's mokuton during they're fights so he already knows the ins and outs of it. Madara had to live on a lot longer than 30 years to meet Nagato so he's had mokuton more than Hashirama's life span and seen it all with his sharrigan. So the Hashirama has more experience isn't that strong. Hashirma died after their fight in a war iirc.

 

[MadaraHashirama]

You puny mortals still don't get it..

What is stronger Fire or Wood??? Fire burns wood!! .. common sense people!
Hashirama is stonger than Madara in other terms, but please stop pushing the idea of Hashirama's wood release is stronger than Madara's Fire jutsu.

Yet again, Madara now posseses the Senju DNA. By definition he is the complete reincarnation of Rikudo. Mixing the once divided Uchiha and Senju power in Madara is a volatile cocktail of Godship.

How is Mokuton made again? Earth and Water. What is the weakness of Fire again?
You are right about the Mokuton being weak to fire but Hashirama also may've been skilled with Water and Earth techniques.
But I don't wanna argue with someone butt hurt that Madara got defeated fair and square, Edo Madara is just a immortal "wooden puppet" (like Kabuto referred Itachi) created by Orochimaru.

 

[Imovelikejack]

Hashi easy..

 

[Aze]

Madara is not even as Legendary as Hashirama was , Madara is a piece of dust in comparison with the Mokuton Jutsu most likely


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