Who has more chakra, Madara(no hashi DNA) or Nagato

[RikudouMadara]

Don't let your fan boy tendencies blind you. Hashirama is and always will be > Madara. He's been praised by the "so called equal" more than once. It isn't "logic" to say they both can be equal. Hashirama has more chakra, and has techniques to counter everything Madara can do. Without an external influence to help Madara (Kurama) he would have lost to Base Hashirama. The only reason Hashirama had to use SM, was because of Kurama.

Isn't Sage Mode an outside source? Doesn't it require one to draw in energy from an outside source? Just wondering......also imho as of currently Madara is superior to Hashirama...didn't he stop Hashirama from progressing? Didn't Hashirama ask Madara to let him through? In an almost begging manner? Of course I don't know for sure who is superior, but imho current Madara appears to have the upperhand.

 

[KidGamer65]

He did replenish it, or so was trying to do so.

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You can't be silly enough to say that hashiramas chakra will demolish Madras though.

Manga shows it.

A more logical way to say it is like this:

Yes, hashirama has more chair a about 20-30%, but madara has the the quality of chakra that makes up for it.

Quality has nothing to do with the quantity of chakra, so stop mentioning it here.

Isn't Sage Mode an outside source? Doesn't it require one to draw in energy from an outside source? Just wondering......also imho as of currently Madara is superior to Hashirama...didn't he stop Hashirama from progressing? Didn't Hashirama ask Madara to let him through? In an almost begging manner? Of course I don't know for sure who is superior, but imho current Madara appears to have the upperhand.

Well, considering Madara is using PS and being equaled by Mokujin, I'm not so sure.

 

[Transcendence]

Isn't Sage Mode an outside source? Doesn't it require one to draw in energy from an outside source? Just wondering......also imho as of currently Madara is superior to Hashirama...didn't he stop Hashirama from progressing? Didn't Hashirama ask Madara to let him through? In an almost begging manner? Of course I don't know for sure who is superior, but imho current Madara appears to have the upperhand.

By outside source, I mean a completely different entity. SM still resides within a users body and their bodies potential. Kurama is a completely entity. To argue otherwise would be arguing useless semantics. And current Madara still has no counter for Shinsenjuu. The only debatable technique is Tengai Shinsei and we don't know if Shinsenjuu can or cannot catch it and disable it. Even if it can't, it is still a suicidal technique which resets them back to regeneration and Pre-Shinsenjuu stage.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

By outside source, I mean a completely different entity. SM still resides within a users body and their bodies potential. Kurama is a completely entity. To argue otherwise would be arguing useless semantics. And current Hashirama still has no counter for Shinsenjuu. The only debatable technique is Tengai Shinsei and we don't know if Shinsenjuu can or cannot catch it and disable it. Even if it can't, it is still a suicidal technique which resets them back to regeneration and Pre-Shinsenjuu stage.

SM adds nature chakra to the user's chakra pool so it's a outside energy source that needs to be gathered.

 

[RikudouMadara]

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Manga shows it.



Quality has nothing to do with the quantity of chakra, so stop mentioning it here.




Well, considering Madara is using PS and being equaled by Mokujin, I'm not so sure.

Yea...I feel the same...Hashirama is a powerhouse that fact is irrefutable. I feel though....with Madara having all of the paths, plus Mokuton abilities, and his own abilities, he is superior. It's just an opinion, but I feel that Madara is superior to Hashirama in every way, minus the use of mentation. Ones wit is an unknown factor. Madara does have more battle experience than Hashirama though. We will just have to wait and see....if Hashirama wins that's fine, if not it's fine. I won't die lol. (I hope ) :yayy:

 

[accept pain]

nagato > madara

 

[RikudouMadara]

nagato > madara

O_O is that just pertaining to this topic? Or is this current Madara? I'm just messing...I respect your opinion...although the Rinnegan cannot be considered Nagatos power. As Madara had every intention of getting his eyes back, did he not? Would Nagato>Madara without the borrowed Rinnegan?:yayy: I'm just joking...just messin with you. Harmless fun >_O

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

Doesn't Madara has the strongest (biggest) chakra of all the Uchiha clan?

That should be able to rival Nagato (even if he is an Uzumaki).

 

[Transcendence]

nagato > madara

Yea... No. Nagato gets manhandled by Perfect Susano'o.

Doesn't Madara has the strongest (biggest) chakra of all the Uchiha clan?

That should be able to rival Nagato (even if he is an Uzumaki).

The topic is quantity of chakra, not quality. You should probably read the topic and OP...

 

[iNotorious]

Nagato i think

 

[Naruto99Uzumaki]

fools, you think that nagato can fight 24/7 with hashirama, madaras chakra is even better than kyuubis

 

[Gerkak]

fools, you think that nagato can fight 24/7 with hashirama, madaras chakra is even better than kyuubis

Proof please.

 

[Helikido]

Don't let your fan boy tendencies blind you. Hashirama is and always will be > Madara. He's been praised by the "so called equal" more than once. It isn't "logic" to say they both can be equal. Hashirama has more chakra, and has techniques to counter everything Madara can do. Without an external influence to help Madara (Kurama) he would have lost to Base Hashirama. The only reason Hashirama had to use SM, was because of Kurama.

He's using sm currently against madara PF susano. So I doubt he can beat madara without SM with or without kyubi.

Madara and hashi were shown equals in the final fight.

Hashi only won madara through a desperate attempt to back stab him, something against both of their nature. Kishi even pointed that out.

 

[Helikido]

All I'm saying is that Madara will rock Nagato with or without hashis DNA. Madara doesn't need hashis DNA for anything besides Mukton.

Madras chakra level might not be as high as hashis, but it will stomp on Nagatos.

 

[RikudouMadara]

All I'm saying is that Madara will rock Nagato with or without hashis DNA. Madara doesn't need hashis DNA for anything besides Mukton.

Madras chakra level might not be as high as hashis, but it will stomp on Nagatos.

I agree with this. I also feel Madaras chakra lvls may be very very very slightly weaker than Hashiramas in Sage Mode.

 

[Transcendence]

All I'm saying is that Madara will rock Nagato with or without hashis DNA. Madara doesn't need hashis DNA for anything besides Mukton.

Madras chakra level might not be as high as hashis, but it will stomp on Nagatos.

I never said he wouldn't beat Nagato... But Nagato has more chakra. Perfect Susan'o slices and dices Nagato like no tomorrow.

 

[Avinash012]

Obviously Madara.......
That man fought on par with Lord Hashirama and forced him to use SM...

Controling Kyubi and useng PS in entire fight is a big feat ...Summoning Kyubi alone tooks alot of juice as stated by Minato

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It is never stated in Manga that Uzumaki's does have high chakra reserve but they does have high juice since they are related to Senju....

U guy's are forgotng that Nagato have Been absorbing chakra from alot of people in Konoha ..Without Rinnegan Nagato's chakra isn't that impressive compared to Madara...

 

[shelke]

Man, I for one am pretty damn torn. It's very very hard to say how large Madara's Chakra reserves are; impossibility hard. He did last till the very end against Hashirama who went into Sage Mode as well, with the same Chakra reserves without any addition of Natural Energy. SM is technically a careful mingling of Nature and Self, hence it's not as easy to suggest anything here. Hashirama won just by a hair, really. It was an even fight.

Nagato is Uzumaki, and hence, should have naturally large chakra reserves, but that is not to say that Uzumakis have the largest Chakra reserves. The Raikages' and Kisame also have extremely large reserves. I am going to go with the third option.

 

[Penguin]

True! Also he fought Hashirama, Tobirama, and 8+ other Senju alone.

No he didn't? Tobirama and the 8+ Senju just got done kicking the Uchiha's ass, and they watched Hashirama vs Madara.

 

[shelke]

^ What? Is this what REALLY happened? Are you sure the whole 'my brethren abandoned me' dialogue didn't happen along with Hashirama only elucidating that Madara fought for hours as a singular individual on the battle-field?