it's like they are paying people to give good reviews because this movie is bad imo, they really screwed up. it can appear good to someone who hasn't read the comics civil war or a 15 years old but for an adult fan who has read the comics I don't know how this movie is good.
who didn't like civil war ?
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I haven't seen the comics, but I thought it was alright. I hate how they tried to turn everything into a joke, it was cringy. Although some parts were a bit funny, but not "HAHA that shit was hilarious". The fighting scenes were pretty good.
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Whether you have read the comics or not shouldn't be considered, unless it's trying to be a direct adaptation, which this film was not. (How would that work anyway, Spiderman is the only MCU character with a secret identity)
Instead, the sane person would rate the film based on how it works as a film. Which this one did.
Instead, the sane person would rate the film based on how it works as a film. Which this one did.
smh "for someone who's read the comics"...so what if it didn't follow the comic book to a Tee, there's no way in hell they'd be able to pull that off, there's just too much plot in the comics that wouldn't be fit for the length of the movie, not to mention the X-Men are not part of Marvel Studios, how were they going to be a part of it?
If you really aren't 15 y/o, you wouldn't be *****ing about obvious things related to the movie. It was a really good movie, probably second to GoTG IMO.
Don't watch anymore Marvel movies if you're expecting it to be exactly like the comics, b/c no superhero movie has ever followed the comic book to the Tee, now let the grown ups discuss why it was a good movie, beat it and go play smdh.
If you really aren't 15 y/o, you wouldn't be *****ing about obvious things related to the movie. It was a really good movie, probably second to GoTG IMO.
Don't watch anymore Marvel movies if you're expecting it to be exactly like the comics, b/c no superhero movie has ever followed the comic book to the Tee, now let the grown ups discuss why it was a good movie, beat it and go play smdh.
here are some of the arguments I can think of now :
spiderman : as a key figure in the comics civil war (in the comics he removes his mask and tell everyone who he is in a conference despite the fact that this is the thing he fears the most, he does it only to regret it after). spiderman begins with stark and ends with captain america. he is the one who made his operational suit (the famous suit), stark made him a new one with more gadgets and spider arms, he fought with it when he was with stark but removed it when he went to captain america.
ok they take all of that shit out of the movie, spiderman is a funny and smart guy who makes the best out of worst situations just like naruto does, they wanted to make this guy in the movie but they screwed up, they pushed it to far the civil war's spiderman is a very talkative tony stark's fanboy.
in the comics its true that spiderman loves tony stark, he is like a father figure to him. but he always was sceptical, he always kept on his guard : this trait of character of spiderman imo has been well shown in the andrew garfield's amazing spiderman 1 (the two is shit) and also in tobey maguire's spiderman. you don't manipulate the spiderman and he is nobody's *****.
when spidey makes a vine you laugh and you love him and you find it smart, you don't want him to shut up, do you understand ?
the jokes : they seriously abused of the jokes, this is a WAR and heroes died in the comics and some bad dark shit happened and this is how they marketed the movie in the first place. either they think we are stupid or the movie is for non adults.
the vilain : irrelevant, the winter soldier, irrelevant, both those guys took screentime and were not needed to begin a civil war ! all what is needed is the registration act.
captain america didn't revolt only because he didn't agree, he did because the government was chasing after heroes. and iron man doesn't hate the captain for this stupid mom dad asspull plot. he does because lots of bad shit happened and because the war, real war not jokes made him like that. but they still respect each other, highly.
where the **** is the PUNISHER ? hein ? you don't introduce him and bring fodders in the war ? their is so much they could have done with the punisher.
this are just some of the arguments that came to me, the plot seemed shitty to me I'm sorry. no dead in a war ? are you serious ?
spiderman : as a key figure in the comics civil war (in the comics he removes his mask and tell everyone who he is in a conference despite the fact that this is the thing he fears the most, he does it only to regret it after). spiderman begins with stark and ends with captain america. he is the one who made his operational suit (the famous suit), stark made him a new one with more gadgets and spider arms, he fought with it when he was with stark but removed it when he went to captain america.
ok they take all of that shit out of the movie, spiderman is a funny and smart guy who makes the best out of worst situations just like naruto does, they wanted to make this guy in the movie but they screwed up, they pushed it to far the civil war's spiderman is a very talkative tony stark's fanboy.
in the comics its true that spiderman loves tony stark, he is like a father figure to him. but he always was sceptical, he always kept on his guard : this trait of character of spiderman imo has been well shown in the andrew garfield's amazing spiderman 1 (the two is shit) and also in tobey maguire's spiderman. you don't manipulate the spiderman and he is nobody's *****.
when spidey makes a vine you laugh and you love him and you find it smart, you don't want him to shut up, do you understand ?
the jokes : they seriously abused of the jokes, this is a WAR and heroes died in the comics and some bad dark shit happened and this is how they marketed the movie in the first place. either they think we are stupid or the movie is for non adults.
the vilain : irrelevant, the winter soldier, irrelevant, both those guys took screentime and were not needed to begin a civil war ! all what is needed is the registration act.
captain america didn't revolt only because he didn't agree, he did because the government was chasing after heroes. and iron man doesn't hate the captain for this stupid mom dad asspull plot. he does because lots of bad shit happened and because the war, real war not jokes made him like that. but they still respect each other, highly.
where the **** is the PUNISHER ? hein ? you don't introduce him and bring fodders in the war ? their is so much they could have done with the punisher.
this are just some of the arguments that came to me, the plot seemed shitty to me I'm sorry. no dead in a war ? are you serious ?
Your only argument is that it didn't follow the comics. News flash, no superhero movie does, because it's impossible. Especially in civil war where there is massive amount of characters.
You need to look at this movie as a follow up to winter soldier and as a follow up to the MCU as a whole. These movies borrow stories and elements from the comics, but ultimately they have different plot and original story.
The movie was good, very good actually. It was funny when it had to be, and serious when it had to be. The characters were developed from the previous movies so we had a reason to care for them. It's a great follow up to the Winter Solider and the events that happened in Age of Ultron, some of the best action we've seen in a marvel movie too. Overall fun experience.
Might as well stop watching marvel movies, because they will never follow a comic sotry arc completely.
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Dude you're b**tching about the crappiest things though. If you care so much about character building: Why not complain about Thor being a full Asgardian in the movie instead of Half? Where is his human side Donald Blake
It deff was. The fighting was sweeet!. And the twist on Starks parents was so unexpected. Ultron was good to though, it just felt like a spin off. But I appreciate them goin thru a time line we can all follow. Im deff getting the collection when its all said and done
guys I don't mind it to not follow the comics story I just want them at least to respect the traits of the characters, those traits that made us like the heroes in the first place so they had to make a movie about it. as much as the previous spiderman's movies could screw up at sometimes they still respected how the person of spiderman is.
the movie doesn't have to follow the comics 100% that's for sure I agree ! but it has to keep logical and be judged on it's own story that's what I did.
first : not enough build up for a civil war.
second : incoherences and asspulls
third : wrong scenario choices, misuse of comics' raw story material
that's my opinion you can disagree but don't hate please
the movie doesn't have to follow the comics 100% that's for sure I agree ! but it has to keep logical and be judged on it's own story that's what I did.
first : not enough build up for a civil war.
second : incoherences and asspulls
third : wrong scenario choices, misuse of comics' raw story material
that's my opinion you can disagree but don't hate please
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I wouldn't say that I didn't like the movie, but I absolutely had more things that I disliked than I liked. I am not a fanboy of one thing or the other. I am a fan of movies, and quality storytelling. I could easily praise this movie for this or that, like so many other people have done already - but I destroyed Batman v Superman, so its only fair to me that I treat this film as any other. Spoilers down below for those who haven't seen the movie. Also, I wrote a lot. So be prepared for a LOT of writing.
First of all I need to get a few things straight: I don't read comics but I have a general understanding of certain storylines and characters. I sincerely believe that Marvel hasn't released a "bad" movie yet - just movies that are worse than the others. And finally what I did like about this movie, I LOVED. Anyway, you asked why some people do not like it, so I will only explain why I don't like it and not the few bits that I do.
So let's start with the "Civil War" part of the movie thats called, you know, Civil War. I am completely aware of things that happen behind the scenes of these movies - things that most movie goers, and even comic lovers aren't. I know that Marvel sold off characters in the past and have been trying to require them, which is why certain characters aren't in their movies - meaning I know how Spiderman came into this movie and why he had a very small, cameo-like role. I know HOW and WHY the Civil War storyline was integrated into this film, and I understand that it was intended, and IS a Captain America movie first and a Civil War movie second. However, the Civil War aspect of this movie was completely tacked on, went nowhere, and ultimately only really served to lengthen the runtime because it added virtually nothing to the actual story being told here. The Airport fight was VERY fun, but you could take it out of the movie and noting would change. At all.
Speaking of the actual story being told, lets talk about the real story here - being the Captain America events. Namely the Villain. Let's talk about the villain. This villain, Zemo, was a complete and utter middle finger to fans of these movies on all fronts. I UNDERSTAND his character motives; I got where he was coming from, his logic was sound, but everything else about him was a waste of time and completely ludicrous. This is a normal man who managed to outwit the Avengers. Sure, this normal man had special training but at the end of the day he was just an average joe looking for some vengeance. You serious right now? The Avengers are completely torn apart by the workings of a single man? Oh wait, I'm sorry. They weren't torn apart by a man - they were torn apart by each other. Again.
That brings me to my next topic point: this is the third F*cking movie where the main goal/plan of the villain is to have the Avengers fight each other. It was a gimmick that worked in the Avengers because that was the whole premise of the movie. But in Age of Ultron, what was Ultron's first plan of attack? Scarlet Witch, have them fight each other. I rolled my eyes then, and thankfully it didn't work out that way, but I sure as shit rolled my eyes when we saw this same old cop-out for the THIRD time. Because that's what this is at this point - from a story telling perspective, this is a cop-out. It's lazy. Don't be surprised if in Infinity War everyone starts fighting each other again.
Look at that, yet another segway! Infinity War. This is the event we have been building towards since the Avengers. Its unknown if this was Marvel's end-game from the start, but it sure was as soon as they released the Avengers. We have had 12 stellar movies before Civil War. A dozen films setting up the world we've come to know. Now its time to go bolder, to start exploring more and more, to really start introducing the larger storyline ahead for our heroes. Too bad Civil War does NOTHING ABOUT THIS. This is actually my BIGGEST issue with Civil War - its not necessarily the film itself. Despite everything you just read, I could have easily overlooked EVERYTHING if Civil War did anything to address the larger hand at play. Look, if we just wanted film after film of superhero films with an occasional team up then thats fine. But that is not what Marvel set out to do - that is not what we were promised and that is NOT what we have gotten in the past. What Marvel set out to do was nothing new, but it certainly was ambitious and it certainly paid off - Marvel set out to create a Cinematic Universe. You may have heard this term, but what does it actually mean? Well in theory, it essentially means being able to create multiple films that all interconnect which allows the studio to tell a much longer, larger story throughout individual components. Very similar to a TV show, which has an overarching plot told over the course of seasons at a time. Same concept, just in film - we were promised the build up to Infinity War, which understandably takes time to set up; you need to introduce the entire universe of characters, make us care about everyone, introduce us to the stones, etc. Civil War is the THIRTEENTH FILM. Thirteen. Infinity war is coming in TWO YEARS! We will be getting NINE MOVIES crammed into those two very short years, and Civil War still is acting like its own isolated film. You could watch Civil War first out of the entire film slate and still be able to keep up with things. We should NOT be doing this at this stage, every film from here on out SHOULD be all connected and really be pushing the Infinity War story line. Two years left, and we haven't truly been introduced to Thanos or any of his shenanigans. And yes, I know that Thor 3 and Guardians of the Galaxy 2 will likely have a hand in that, but Civil War should have also taken bolder steps to really pushing the story forward.
Which brings me to my final ranting topic point: the lack of balls this movie had. Now I already kind of sort of touched upon this in the rant I just did above, but what equally pisses me off about this film is the lack of risks it took. This is a very, VERY easy going film, that touches upon some subject matter that almost DEMANDED for some serious change. By the end of this movie, NOTHING had changed from the beginning. Rhodes was crippled, but Tony gave him a fancy new robot-leg thingy, kinda similar actually to Batman in The Dark Knight Rises, so he'll be coming back in some way. Look, I could go off on a whole other essay analyzing the strong character motives and character story arcs this film told; specifically the final fight between Tony, Steve and Bucky. But just to keep it short, that fight was the true highlight of the film. The Airport fight was fun, but it had zero content underneath it. The Tony v Cap fight, now that was truly amazing because of everything that fight stood for, and why they were fighting to begin with. And honestly, the fact that no one died during that fight was the biggest waste of potential any of these films have EVER had - and thats saying a lot considering how disappointed I was in Age of Ultron. Moving beyond that one fight (as again, I could write for days on that fight), by the end of the film Tony is bruised up, Bucky puts himself on ice (which is another aspect of this film wasting your time), the Avengers are all in prison but its ok because Steve busts them all out and sends Tony a letter saying if he ever needs them they got his back. Everything tied up in one nice little bow. Disappointed isn't strong enough of a word to describe how I felt at the end of the movie.
This is more or less how I feel about the movie in regards to why I strongly disliked it. For anyone who actually read all that, you deserve to be given rep points so let me know and I'll happily rep you for reading my opinion. And again, I feel I should reiterate: I ranted for days above, but what I liked about the film (yes, believe it or not I did actually enjoy a lot of this film) I LOVED. Namely, everything on a technical level of this film (the acting, the writing, the directing, the cinematography, the choreography, etc) was damn near flawless. Its just the story, the story telling, and how they didn't take any risks that gets me so frustrated with this film.
So let's start with the "Civil War" part of the movie thats called, you know, Civil War. I am completely aware of things that happen behind the scenes of these movies - things that most movie goers, and even comic lovers aren't. I know that Marvel sold off characters in the past and have been trying to require them, which is why certain characters aren't in their movies - meaning I know how Spiderman came into this movie and why he had a very small, cameo-like role. I know HOW and WHY the Civil War storyline was integrated into this film, and I understand that it was intended, and IS a Captain America movie first and a Civil War movie second. However, the Civil War aspect of this movie was completely tacked on, went nowhere, and ultimately only really served to lengthen the runtime because it added virtually nothing to the actual story being told here. The Airport fight was VERY fun, but you could take it out of the movie and noting would change. At all.
Speaking of the actual story being told, lets talk about the real story here - being the Captain America events. Namely the Villain. Let's talk about the villain. This villain, Zemo, was a complete and utter middle finger to fans of these movies on all fronts. I UNDERSTAND his character motives; I got where he was coming from, his logic was sound, but everything else about him was a waste of time and completely ludicrous. This is a normal man who managed to outwit the Avengers. Sure, this normal man had special training but at the end of the day he was just an average joe looking for some vengeance. You serious right now? The Avengers are completely torn apart by the workings of a single man? Oh wait, I'm sorry. They weren't torn apart by a man - they were torn apart by each other. Again.
That brings me to my next topic point: this is the third F*cking movie where the main goal/plan of the villain is to have the Avengers fight each other. It was a gimmick that worked in the Avengers because that was the whole premise of the movie. But in Age of Ultron, what was Ultron's first plan of attack? Scarlet Witch, have them fight each other. I rolled my eyes then, and thankfully it didn't work out that way, but I sure as shit rolled my eyes when we saw this same old cop-out for the THIRD time. Because that's what this is at this point - from a story telling perspective, this is a cop-out. It's lazy. Don't be surprised if in Infinity War everyone starts fighting each other again.
Look at that, yet another segway! Infinity War. This is the event we have been building towards since the Avengers. Its unknown if this was Marvel's end-game from the start, but it sure was as soon as they released the Avengers. We have had 12 stellar movies before Civil War. A dozen films setting up the world we've come to know. Now its time to go bolder, to start exploring more and more, to really start introducing the larger storyline ahead for our heroes. Too bad Civil War does NOTHING ABOUT THIS. This is actually my BIGGEST issue with Civil War - its not necessarily the film itself. Despite everything you just read, I could have easily overlooked EVERYTHING if Civil War did anything to address the larger hand at play. Look, if we just wanted film after film of superhero films with an occasional team up then thats fine. But that is not what Marvel set out to do - that is not what we were promised and that is NOT what we have gotten in the past. What Marvel set out to do was nothing new, but it certainly was ambitious and it certainly paid off - Marvel set out to create a Cinematic Universe. You may have heard this term, but what does it actually mean? Well in theory, it essentially means being able to create multiple films that all interconnect which allows the studio to tell a much longer, larger story throughout individual components. Very similar to a TV show, which has an overarching plot told over the course of seasons at a time. Same concept, just in film - we were promised the build up to Infinity War, which understandably takes time to set up; you need to introduce the entire universe of characters, make us care about everyone, introduce us to the stones, etc. Civil War is the THIRTEENTH FILM. Thirteen. Infinity war is coming in TWO YEARS! We will be getting NINE MOVIES crammed into those two very short years, and Civil War still is acting like its own isolated film. You could watch Civil War first out of the entire film slate and still be able to keep up with things. We should NOT be doing this at this stage, every film from here on out SHOULD be all connected and really be pushing the Infinity War story line. Two years left, and we haven't truly been introduced to Thanos or any of his shenanigans. And yes, I know that Thor 3 and Guardians of the Galaxy 2 will likely have a hand in that, but Civil War should have also taken bolder steps to really pushing the story forward.
Which brings me to my final ranting topic point: the lack of balls this movie had. Now I already kind of sort of touched upon this in the rant I just did above, but what equally pisses me off about this film is the lack of risks it took. This is a very, VERY easy going film, that touches upon some subject matter that almost DEMANDED for some serious change. By the end of this movie, NOTHING had changed from the beginning. Rhodes was crippled, but Tony gave him a fancy new robot-leg thingy, kinda similar actually to Batman in The Dark Knight Rises, so he'll be coming back in some way. Look, I could go off on a whole other essay analyzing the strong character motives and character story arcs this film told; specifically the final fight between Tony, Steve and Bucky. But just to keep it short, that fight was the true highlight of the film. The Airport fight was fun, but it had zero content underneath it. The Tony v Cap fight, now that was truly amazing because of everything that fight stood for, and why they were fighting to begin with. And honestly, the fact that no one died during that fight was the biggest waste of potential any of these films have EVER had - and thats saying a lot considering how disappointed I was in Age of Ultron. Moving beyond that one fight (as again, I could write for days on that fight), by the end of the film Tony is bruised up, Bucky puts himself on ice (which is another aspect of this film wasting your time), the Avengers are all in prison but its ok because Steve busts them all out and sends Tony a letter saying if he ever needs them they got his back. Everything tied up in one nice little bow. Disappointed isn't strong enough of a word to describe how I felt at the end of the movie.
This is more or less how I feel about the movie in regards to why I strongly disliked it. For anyone who actually read all that, you deserve to be given rep points so let me know and I'll happily rep you for reading my opinion. And again, I feel I should reiterate: I ranted for days above, but what I liked about the film (yes, believe it or not I did actually enjoy a lot of this film) I LOVED. Namely, everything on a technical level of this film (the acting, the writing, the directing, the cinematography, the choreography, etc) was damn near flawless. Its just the story, the story telling, and how they didn't take any risks that gets me so frustrated with this film.
Alfred Pennyworth
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Agreed with some of it. But how do you think Thanos could fit in a story revolving Cap and Bucky? The most they could have done is adding a small mid/post-credit scene which is relatively trivial if he would be properly introduced in subsequent films before the Infinity War