I have no proof that Hashirama didn't get old? Or that his cells combined with Madara's chakra couldn't have created some form of enhanced longevity? If so, I do have evidence; the Uzumaki clan. They possessed a powerful chakra that greatly enhanced their lifespans, giving their village the nickname of 'The Village of Longevity'. Given the fact that Hashirama's chakra and physical energy dwarfs theirs, demonstrated by the fact that no one is running around with an Uzumaki's face growing off their body, it's hardly a leap of logic to guess that Hashirama might have had an extraordinarily long life-span. As for the Sage, yeah, he got old, but we have no idea how old he actually was.
[Discussion] who controlled fourth mizukage yugara???
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rahul chaudhary
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Danzo was already old when the cells were implanted. He was 72 when he died, and he most likely received them after the Uchiha Massacre, which occurred when he was about 64/65. Also, Danzo's implant was imperfect to begin with. He wasn't like Obito, and most likely Madara, who had full control of Hashirama's powers.
SilverSlick
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Dude, Tobi controlled the Mizukage about 4-8 years after the 9 tail's attack on Konoha. It was Obito. Kisame already confirmed it.
rahul chaudhary
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u have no proof of what u say... do u have proof that danzo was old when the cells are implanted?? u make ur own assumptions that danzo received them after uchiha massacre...
SilverSlick
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Oh yeah, Obito has actually killed a high ranking ninja(Konan) with a genjutsu. No one else has ever done this btw, not even Madara. He's also controlled 2 people(Fu and Torune) at the same time for a prolonged period of time.
Obito has genjutsu feats far beyond Itachi, Sasuke and Madara
Obito has genjutsu feats far beyond Itachi, Sasuke and Madara
rahul chaudhary
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do you have any proof that tobi controlled the mizukage about 4-8 years after the 9 tails attack??? don't make your own assumption...
SilverSlick
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How about look at the damn timeline, its not that hard. Specifically, Kisame's age. Kisame was 32 when he died. He probably met the Mizukage when he was 20-24 years old. Just saying.
I'd also like to clarify something; The Bloody Mist Era, which Yagura started, can be traced at earliest to about 25 years ago. Given that Obito was still a child at that point, he couldn't have been controlling Yagura yet. Most likely it was Madara and when he died years later, Obito took control. It was Obito who revealed himself to Kisame, which is why he was recognized.
SilverSlick
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How can it have been traced to 25 years ago? Look at Kisame's and Zabuza's age. It happened like 10-12 years before the start of the series.
Kisame is 32 years old and he graduated from the Academy at the age of 10. That's 22 years ago. I add another three years because the Academy seems to begin around the age of 6 or 7. Though, if you only want to go with solid data, the earliest is 22 years ago. Still to early for it to have been Obito.
SilverSlick
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You think that was Kisame when he was 10? Are you kidding me? He was like a little taller than Tobi. I'd say at that time he was 6'0. He died at 6'4. Also, during this same time, the masked man met Itachi when he was at the most 13 or younger. Timeline fits perfectly. I just can't believe you think that was a 10 year old Kisame. Use some common sense.
Jesus Christ people, they had the same ****ing voice actor. Quit making this difficult.
No =_= You missed my entire point. Kisame is a product of the Bloody Mist, and he graduated at the age of 10. Which means Yagura had to have been under someone's control already 22 years ago. Well before Obito disappeared. Kisame's meeting with Tobi most likely took place sometime after the Nine-Tails attack, when Obito had already taken the reigns.
So; Madara took control of Yagura at sometime before Kisame's graduation 22 years ago, but when he died, Obito took up where he left off. So it was Obito who Kisame met later on.
SilverSlick
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Ahhh, I see what your saying now. All I'm saying atm is that the one Kisame met was definitely Obito
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Though, we have no intel on how long the Bloody Mist lasted.
having hashirama's DNA doesn't stop u from getting old, it just increases your lifespan. i cant really answer about kisame recognising short hair tobi as madara/mizukage so i guess iv come unstuck there.
Yellow Flash of Texas
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This^^^
It could have Been Madara, if he has Hashi dna...Look at Tsunade she is near 60 but looks the same age as Kakashi if not younger due to her Senju dna. So if he had Hashi Dna like the manga has stated then he could have easily still been alive. For those that say that when Madara was revived he still looked young, you guys are forgetting that Madara was Kabuto's trump card and he even said that he brought Madara back in his prime. So madara wasnt a normal edo like any of the others were.
I think danzou was the one who controlled yagura... as much as i know tobi/obito and danzou have cooparorated in the past... dabzou could have put a mask and a wig and controlled the mizukage with shisuis sharingan
any thoughts on this?
any thoughts on this?Simple Math
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Ero sennin jiraiya
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I don't know, I guess Madara. Kishi's timeline makes no sense though, unless it was also Madara who helped with the uchiha massacre. I say this because the person who was controlling yagura and helped with the uchiha massacre is the same person. I say this because they look the same, they were both someone with Tobi's mask and longer hair than tobi has.