Who can beat Minato?

[Bogard]

I was talking about the users, which I wasn't clear on. Also Kishi kinda showed us that the seal always appear when the user is ready to teleport there[

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What do you mean? The marking is still there bottom left panel

Speed is not helping him win this battle as he has nothing really effective to finish off Kabuto. Minato is terribly outclassed in endurance and effective finishers.

Pretty sure Kabuto can die if his head gets seperated from the rest of his body. As for the endurance point, there is no proof around it whatsover. When someone can teleport country size Bijuudamas, you can infact believe the contrary

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Any form of Hashirama
Any form of Madara
Any form of Obito above MS
Nagato
DSM Kabuto
EMS Sasuke
BSM/BM Naruto

^^^^ these guys can definitely beat him.

Rinnegan Obito doesn't have anything that gives him an edge over Minato.

 

[Avinash012]

1. I didn't give any hype or assumptions. For me to do that is by making a claim without any scans to prove, which I gave clearly.
2. Orochi doesn't have RDS so wtf are you talking about

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3. The difference between Sasuke and Kabuto is Sasuke took over Orochimaru's body while Kabuto stole the remaining DNA, stealing his life force <--Which I already gave proof.

No,Sasuke didn't take over his body,he absorberd Oro's consciousness and chakra or what he did is pretty much same as cursed mark.

I also proved that he can use Sakon's KKG to create Orochimaru himself[

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Ya my bad, I didn't pay much attention to that post.

????????????

I mean if someone with normal body can absorb that many people and use them like Sakon,why didn't Oro tried to gain that power?

Since when did I make this claim?

U said Kunai are useless due to Kimimaro's bones and I can't find a reason FTG Kunai useless other than erasing the markings.

Seem like you don't considering you are questioning alot of things that the manga supports, concerning this character

I know about DSM Kabuto but we are talking about base Kabuto here,I have no qustions if it is DSM Kabuto.

Yea it seems you completely don't know what you are talking about.

Not gonna change anything unless u can bring me a scan which states that having more life force = having more chakra.

It proves you can't take in natural energy unless you have huge chakra reserves. Juugo's DNA have nothing to do with chakra reserves, Kabuto only stole this ability to access passively absorbing natural energy at will.

There are shit load of fodders in NV that can draw natural energy into their bodies thanks to Juugo's DNA, do u think their chakra level is compatable to that of Naruto?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

What do you mean? The marking is still there bottom left panel

You have to read it by panel. Point A: Look at Sage Obito reaction when he sees it appear to point B the seal appeared.

If Sage Obito's eyes are not clear just read the SFX: (Pop)

Pretty sure Kabuto can die if his head gets seperated from the rest of his body. As for the endurance point, there is no proof around it whatsover. When someone can teleport country size Bijuudamas, you can infact believe the contrary

Not really as I remember having this discussion with you long time ago. Here you see Sasuke choped up the snakes head[

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](SFX: Dripping/Gushing). The snake is still alive and well once they retrieved back to normal[

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] being perfectly healthy and supportive

Concerning endurance, might of been an exaggeration but Kabuto is still ahead in this category.

 

[Strict]

Base Minato is beaten by:

Hashirama
Madara (Any form from EMS)
Orochimaru (if Edo Tensei is allowed)
Kabuto (even without Edo, but depends on knowledge on Kabuto and the location)
Itachi (can go either way, depends on the knowledge, I see them as equals)
Sasuke
Obito (even MS Obito can win if I consider Izanagi and what he learned from his last defeat against Minato)
Nagato

With Bijuumode:

Hashirama
Edo Madara
Current Madara stomps
Kabuto and Orochimaru with Edo Tensei

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

That's what I said, dumbass.

Oh be quiet. I misread. U_u

 

[Boston Rob]

MS Obito adult
Nagato
Itachi
Jiraiya maybie
KCM Naruto, SM maybie
EMS Sasuke, MS doubt
Hashirama
Madara and that probably would be all.

 

[Bogard]

You have to read it by panel. Point A: Look at Sage Obito reaction when he sees it appear to point B the seal appeared.

If Sage Obito's eyes are not clear just read the SFX: (Pop)

Firstly, Obito is looking at his left when the marking was placed under his right arm. So that alone shows he wasn't looking at the marking. Secondly the SFX sound isn't for the marking, but for the chakra arm that Obito was preparing to counter his opponents attacks on the following page

Not really as I remember having this discussion with you long time ago. Here you see Sasuke choped up the snakes head[

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]. It instantly converted to a liquid state right after[

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](SFX: Dripping/Gushing). The snake is still alive and well once they retrieved back to normal[

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]. Another example is Kabuto's tail. [

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] to [

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] with [

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] being perfectly healthy and supportive

Concerning endurance, might of been an exaggeration but Kabuto is still ahead in this category.

The snake is an external part of his body, something different. The snake doesn't contain his brain, neither does it contain his spinal cord, so every functions inside his body are working, allowing the regeneration in this case. But in Kabuto's case, it would be different. Cuting his head would mean cuting his spinal cord. The spinal cord is located between the brain and the vertebral column, and it transfers neural signals between the brain and the rest of the body. In other words, without it, nothing inside the body is gonna work and in this case, it causes death

 

[Brother Numpsay]

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1.This is "another" way you using RDS not the actual performance.
2. Were are talking about DNA possession meaning Hebi Sasuke arc
3. Sasuke has no knowledge of RDS to even perform it nor did Orochimaru during the time, stated by 3rd Hokage

No,Sasuke didn't take over his body,he absorberd Oro's consciousness and chakra.

Um thats pretty much the same thing[

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I mean if someone with normal body can absorb that many people and use them like Sakon,why didn't Oro tried to gain that power?

Ask Kishimoto?

U said Kunai are useless due to Kimimaro's bones and I can't find a reason FTG Kunai useless other than erasing the markings.

They can pop out of no where[

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]. Which led to my following premise of Kabuto attempting to predict his next teleportation and spike him there, or try to get all the locations at once.

I know about DSM Kabuto but we are talking about base Kabuto here,I have no qustions if it is DSM Kabuto.

Don't twist this disscussion to think like we are talking about base base Kabuto, beginning part 2.

Not gonna change anything unless u can bring me a scan which states that having more life force = having more chakra.

There is no clear evidence that life force = more chakra. But has been implied countless of times, literally and I am not fetching all of them. So we to think this logically.

There are shit load of fodders in NV that can draw natural energy into their bodies thanks to Juugo's DNA, do u think all of their chakra is compatable to that of Naruto?

Lol who are the fodders? If you are talking about Sound 4 then check up on how Curse Seal works and effects then that of pure natural energy.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Firstly, Obito is looking at his left when the marking was placed under his right arm. So that alone shows he wasn't looking at the marking. Secondly the SFX sound isn't for the marking, but for the chakra arm that Obito was preparing to counter his opponents attacks on the following page

Your right about the looking. But your second point isn't. As the chakra arm had its own bubble, while the SFX was directly talking about the Tag, which had its own panel time to begin with. You never see the tag on Obito if you were to look at all his screen time as a Sage.

The snake is an external part of his body, something different. The snake doesn't contain his brain, neither does it contain his spinal cord, so every functions inside his body are working, allowing the regeneration in this case. But in Kabuto's case, it would be different. Cuting his head would mean cuting his spinal cord. The spinal cord is located between the brain and the vertebral column, and it transfers neural signals between the brain and the rest of the body. In other words, without it, nothing inside the body is gonna work and in this case, it causes death

I don't get why that matters if its external. The snakes was suppose to die from that type of damage, period, but it didn't. The same goes to Suijutsu who always gets punch the the face and comes back. Kabuto mimmic this ability to turns ones flesh to liquid state and back to original flesh. So thus its ineffective way of beating Kabuto.

 

[Avinash012]

1.This is "another" way you using RDS not the actual performance.
2. Were are talking about DNA possession meaning Hebi Sasuke arc
3. Sasuke has no knowledge of RDS to even perform it nor did Orochimaru during the time, stated by 3rd Hokage

So u think he can undo the seal but can't perform it?
Ya Oro has no knowledge on RDS and yet suigetsu found the scroll in Oro's hideout and Oro learned it and performed it with in no time?

Um thats pretty much the same thing[

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Sasuke is using his own body not Oro's which means that it is something different from taking over his body.

Ask Kishimoto?

Oro seeks power ,if he know he can do something like that with normal body he would have did it ages ago but he didn't do that which is why I have been going against the idea of Kabuto being able to use those powers without SM.
He must have did something to his body to withstand those powers.

They can pop out of no where[

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]. Which led to my following premise of Kabuto attempting to predict his next teleportation and spike him there, or try to get all the locations at once.

I have no Idea how exactly Kabuto can predict Minato's moves and how he can pull those bones in an instant to hit Minato.If fodder Samurai can escape it then Minato can do that without a probulem.

Don't twist this disscussion to think like we are talking about base base Kabuto, beginning part 2.

Iam not twisting anything here.

There is no clear evidence that life force = more chakra. But has been implied countless of times, literally and I am not fetching all of them. So we to think this logically.

No it was never implied that LF = Chakra levels.

We have Madara whose chakra pool is bigger than that of Naruto whose life force is >>that of Madara.

Lol who are the fodders? If you are talking about Sound 4 then check up on how Curse Seal works and effects then that of pure natural energy.

Random fodders in Oro's hideout.
Still dosen't change the fact that they managed to draw natural energy,they used level 2 without proper control over their power/chakra which is the main difference b/w Kabuto and other clones of Juugo.

EDIT: Well we are going nowhere like this,there is no such a thing as Kabuto without SM so it is pretty much pointless to argue about this any longer.

IMO DSM Kabuto > Minato and I don't care about that fanfic Kabuto anymore.

Iam done with this argument.

 

[Dark Artist]

Minato is overrated by Fapboys and fail trolls

he will get his butt kicked by these Guys :

1 - Madara ( any Form ) Perfect Susano + Genjutsu GG
2 - Obito ( rinnegan and Sage mode )
3 - hashirama ( any Form )
4 - Naruto ( all Forms except base Naruto )
5 - EMS Sasuke ( MS Sasuke or above )
6 - Nagato
7 - Itachi
8 - DSM Kabuto
9 - Kakashi
10 - killer bee
11 - SM Jiraiya
12 - Orochimaru
13 - third raikage
14 - Gaara

ETC

he is not worthy for even Top 10

only a Fapboy will disagree​

 

[Bogard]

Your right about the looking. But your second point isn't. As the chakra arm had its own bubble, while the SFX was directly talking about the Tag, which had its own panel time to begin with. You never see the tag on Obito if you were to look at all his screen time as a Sage.

The SFX is for the bubble, it's not a different sound. You never see the tag because it's right under his arm

I don't get why that matters if its external. The snakes was suppose to die from that type of damage, period, but it didn't. The same goes to Suijutsu who always gets punch the the face and comes back. Kabuto mimmic this ability to turns ones flesh to liquid state and back to original flesh. So thus its ineffective way of beating Kabuto.

It matters in the fact that the snakes don't have Kabuto's brain, they are only connected to him. Regeneration is still possible in this case because Kabuto's brain is still actively sending signals in his entire body through the spinal cord

 

[paratise]

And the best debater have arrived...

 

[miromiro]

2 - Obito ( rinnegan and Sage mode )

'Dat bullshit.

 

[Dark Artist]

'Dat bullshit.

what .. he can't beat him with his Sage mode , thats what you trying to Say ?

actually he can Beat him even with his MS , but he was defeated Because of the Plot

Minato died by the kyuubi Claw , while Obito was controlling the kyuubi like a pet ​

 

[Draegod]

Bee, kabuto, hashirama, naruto, itachi, sasuke, hanzou, kisame, sasori, oru, 3rd kazekage, madara, obito reningan plus to name a few. It's about match ups not hype or rank.

 

[shelke]

Base Minato is nothing special. He can be easily taken out by lower-tier characters as well. I find it laughable that people here believe that he beats MS Itachi. Ridiculous.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Minato is overrated by Fapboys and fail trolls

he will get his butt kicked by these Guys :

1 - Madara ( any Form ) Perfect Susano + Genjutsu GG
2 - Obito ( rinnegan and Sage mode )
3 - hashirama ( any Form )
4 - Naruto ( all Forms except base Naruto )
5 - EMS Sasuke ( MS Sasuke or above )
6 - Nagato
7 - Itachi
8 - DSM Kabuto
9 - Kakashi
10 - killer bee
11 - SM Jiraiya
12 - Orochimaru
13 - third raikage
14 - Gaara

ETC

he is not worthy for even Top 10

only a Fapboy will disagree​

4. Minato beats SM Naruto easily.

5. Minato beats MS Sasuke.

7. Minato beats Itachi.

8. Minato stomps Kakashi.

10. Minato beats Bee.

11. Minato beats Jiraiya.

12. Minato beats Orochimaru

13. Minato beats the Raikage.

Stop being a mindless hater and read the manga.

 

[shelke]

Minato beats Bee, Orochimaru, Ms Sasuke, SM Naruto and the lot? The wank is TOO real! LMFAO