Who can beat Minato without knowledge?

[x Tensa zangetsu x]

maybe itachi

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

kushina....see what i did there...lol

Lml admit defeat or no ***
But honey
ADMIT IT NOW!!

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Orochimaru also tho he has knowledge on everyone

 

[Prince Charles]

But i will name one.

ITACHI UCHIHA

:scorps:

 

[Bogard]

I personally doubt that there are many ninja out there that could take him out, even if they had knowledge. Perfect example would be "The Raikage" Himself...

He stated himself that they had many en-counters and he has yet to lay a finger on him, that's with Bee at his side... And he's the fastest ninja apart from Naruto. People just don't like the fact of him beating top tier ninja with speed alone.

I agree with you, but in this thread no one has knowledge, so it's even more difficult for people to have a chance against Minato in this case. Personally i believe that no one besides SO6P maybe can beat him without knowledge

Dude he was 15 at the time with MS he just got

Age is not important. Naruto is 16 and top5 or 3 strongest of all time. What is important to know is the power of the ninja in question, and i personally didn't see Obito that bad with his use of techniques. It's actually even the contrary. He was also very knowledgeable for a 15 yo since back then and has shown great control in everything he was doing. I see no difference between that Obito and the current besides Rinnengan maybe

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I think the key is not to dodge Minato but to block and shield against his attacks, a high-defense character would do the trick

 

[YellowFlash1]

Tobirama, Minato based most of what he has off of Tobirama, and Tobirama is one of the best suiton masters (if not the best) to boast with that. Tobirama's S/T is =< Minato's S/T. And if it's equal, Minato has no chance.

And I'm pretty sure Tobirama knows himself very well.
:nindaime:
Also, because Hashirama knows Tobirama very well as they are brothers, and Minato's just a bad copy of Tobirama, Hashirama would win too.

Essentially we know nothing about his battle abilities likes his intelligence... The ability to analyse your opponent, in the heat of battle. All we know that he is a good at water style jutsu... I doubt he could take on Minato. Hashirama, is merely a legend that know one knows nothing about, apart from the fact that an over-power Madara has shown some of his abilities although given the fact that he's beyond him prime.. Who's to say that Hashirama's techniques are at the same magnitude as "Edo Madara's"...

You've only selected character that we know nothing about, so it's easy to claim that they would beat him, although essentially we don't know the true power of either of them... Legends get exaggerated as the years go on!

 

[Bogard]

Of course.

Itachi will just pull a random jutsu out of f*cking nowhere that somehow counters whatever Minato has planned for him.

It's Itachi after all xd

And Minato will pull a random jutsu to counter what Itachi planned. It's Minato after all

 

[metallica9565]

Tenten, Konohamaru, that one old guy thats like 80 and is still a chunin (from the anime) lol

 

[YellowFlash1]

Nope, nothing Minato has done so far has been pulling random jutsu out of nowhere ._.

Itachi's Izanami alone is enough to give him the title of "God of All Random Hax Jutsu".

He merely used a jutsu that all uchiha have. Luckily for him we was the only Uchiha around with the knowledge about it, not exactly hard considering that he was 1 of 3 uchiha that were alive.... Technically, their is nothing unique about Itachi.

 

[Omnipotent]

Essentially we know nothing about his battle abilities likes his intelligence... The ability to analyse your opponent, in the heat of battle. All we know that he is a good at water style jutsu... I doubt he could take on Minato. Hashirama, is merely a legend that know one knows nothing about, apart from the fact that an over-power Madara has shown some of his abilities although given the fact that he's beyond him prime.. Who's to say that Hashirama's techniques are at the same magnitude as "Edo Madara's"...

You've only selected character that we know nothing about, so it's easy to claim that they would beat him, although essentially we don't know the true power of either of them... Legends get exaggerated as the years go on!

We also know that Tobirama's S/T is equal or better than, or equal or worse than Minato's S/T, in addition to him being one of the best suiton masters (if not the best). We can also assume that Minato based himself off of Tobirama in a sense, shown from his sensory with his index finger and his knowledge on Tobirama's S/T prowess.

And on Hashirama, I'm sorry, I forgot to explain:

Don't worry, I can convince you:

If Edo Madara, the #1 shinobi as of now, is calling you the ultimate shinobi, you must've been beast. Not to mention that Edo Madara said his battle with the five Kage was nothing compared to his battle with Hashirama, which means Edo Madara thinks Hashirama > the combined efforts of the five Kage (even though this could be stretching it):

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Not to mention that it can be assumed that he can control the biju on par with EMS Madara, Bee, and Yagura (both of which who are perfect jinchuuriki):

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Furthermore, he actually did have several biju under his control at one point in time as the Shodai Hokage, which can be considered his "prime":

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In addition, Tsunade herself said that her medical ninjutsu was nothing compared to Hashirama's, and she's recognized as the best at medical ninjutsu by far, not to mention she has byakugou.

Edit: Forgot something. His flower power jutsu is near instantaneous, as according to Tsunade and based on the fact that none of the Kage argue against this, it's probably VERY fast:

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If Hashirama had several biju under his control in his "prime", and Minato had to sacrifice himself just to seal one, how would Minato win?

 

[Bogard]

Nope, nothing Minato has done so far has been pulling random jutsu out of nowhere ._.

Itachi's Izanami alone is enough to give him the title of "God of All Random Hax Jutsu".

True that Minato and Itachi had the same amount of screentime to actually begin to judge :|

 

[Exaar]

Very few people.

If Minato is able to mark you when you have no knowledge on FTG or that he can place seals via a simple touch, He could defeat almost any shinobi, Hell even with Info if he marks you and you fail to notice in time it's almost a guaranteed loss.

People underrate just how overpowered FTG is.

 

[YellowFlash1]

We also know that Tobirama's S/T is equal or better than, or equal or worse than Minato's S/T, in addition to him being one of the best suiton masters (if not the best). We can also assume that Minato based himself off of Tobirama in a sense, shown from his sensory with his index finger and his knowledge on Tobirama's S/T prowess.

And on Hashirama, I'm sorry, I forgot to explain:


If Hashirama had several biju under his control in his "prime", and Minato had to sacrifice himself just to seal one, how would Minato win?

That proves nothing .... He basically said that his power is great, because he has the Wood style jutsu... Nowhere does it say that he can pull a move of that magnitude out. He was able to control the 9 tails, which was one of madara's trump cards sure. However, how does he deal with the speed. You know nothing about his reaction speed, his speed, his intelligence...

Most people merely look at the Madara know and imagine Hashirama. Which is a lie, hashirama doesn't have the same power as EDO Madara. Otherwise it wouldn't of been a challenge for Hashirama.

Wither of not he's a S/T and master at water style... I'll put someone who in a one in a life time generation genius, who's a master in seals and is the fastest Shinobi alive and ever existed which is why he was claimed a legend, because their wasn't a ninja that ever existed that could match his speed, which is why i Indicate he's superior..

You know nothing about Tobi's S/T Jutsu and how it works... for all we know it could take time to prepare. He might have to be in a massive seal for it to work... Know one now's, apart from the fact that Their isn't a shinobi that ever existed that could move as fast as "Minato"

 

[Omnipotent]

That proves nothing .... He basically said that his power is great, because he has the Wood style jutsu... Nowhere does it say that he can pull a move of that magnitude out. He was able to control the 9 tails, which was one of madara's trump cards sure. However, how does he deal with the speed. You know nothing about his reaction speed, his speed, his intelligence...

Most people merely look at the Madara know and imagine Hashirama. Which is a lie, hashirama doesn't have the same power as EDO Madara. Otherwise it wouldn't of been a challenge for Hashirama.

Wither of not he's a S/T and master at water style... I'll put someone who in a one in a life time generation genius, who's a master in seals and is the fastest Shinobi alive and ever existed which is why he was claimed a legend, because their wasn't a ninja that ever existed that could match his speed, which is why i Indicate he's superior..

You know nothing about Tobi's S/T Jutsu and how it works... for all we know it could take time to prepare. He might have to be in a massive seal for it to work... Know one now's, apart from the fact that Their isn't a shinobi that ever existed that could move as fast as "Minato"

I'm going to make a thread about this, I don't think you read everything, because you didn't respond to much.
Didn't I just say that Edo Madara is the #1 shinobi as of now? That proves you didn't read ...

What we do know about Tobirama's S/T jutsu is that it's >= to Minato's S/T or =< to Minato's S/T, it really doesn't matter how it works, as long as we know that.

 

[Bogard]

Very few people.

If Minato is able to mark you when you have no knowledge on FTG or that he can place seals via a simple touch, He could defeat almost any shinobi, Hell even with Info if he marks you and you fail to notice in time it's almost a guaranteed loss.

People underrate just how overpowered FTG is.

I agree with this. People underrate FTG because it's hard for them to acknowledge the fact that Minato can defeat armies with his speed alone

 

[YellowFlash1]

I'm going to make a thread about this, I don't think you read everything, because you didn't respond to much.
Didn't I just say that Edo Madara is the #1 shinobi as of now? That proves you didn't read ...

What we do know about Tobirama's S/T jutsu is that it's >= to Minato's S/T or =< to Minato's S/T, it really doesn't matter how it works, as long as we know that.

I did read, although you guys look at madara pulling of Hashirama's moves and assume he's as good because, he once beat him. The point is, we don't know how strong they are, so it's merely just speculation... We know he can heal himself, and that he can use wood style & control beasts... However, we don't know the magnitude of his abilities or attacks...

Wouldn't you expect someone with the same abilities with unlimited chakra to maximize the potential of the jutsu? Never the less. You can't merely say because he also have S/T that he is on par with Minato .. That's nonsense.. Anyway this is my last post im to tired..

 

[Edo Odin]

Very few ninja, but that's the way it is with almost all top ninja anyways. :shrug:

The only way Minato is losing to someone with zero knowledge is if the opponent accidentally discovers the nature of the FTG. Otherwise it's just gonna be a speed blitz :y

 

[Kages]

Hiruzen IMO. I don't think anyone else could. I might be forgetting someone

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Tobirama, Minato based most of what he has off of Tobirama, and Tobirama is one of the best suiton masters (if not the best) to boast with that. Tobirama's S/T is =< Minato's S/T. And if it's equal, Minato has no chance.

And I'm pretty sure Tobirama knows himself very well.
:nindaime:
Also, because Hashirama knows Tobirama very well as they are brothers, and Minato's just a bad copy of Tobirama, Hashirama would win too.

Isn't soiton a water tech? Not a space time tech? Tobirama specialized in water tech's and created the edo tech. I don't remember him doing space time.