[Discussion] WhiteBeard vs Garp

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Garp has never been stated to fight Pirate King Roger. All what we know is that they fought in the past but we don't know when. For all we know, Roger wasn't pirate king and far from his prime when he used to fight him. Shiki, Squardo and many others also fought Roger. His hype pales in comparison to Whitebeard's who is said to be the only one who could fight equally with pirate King Roger and became world strongest man after Roger died and remained world strongest man despite being old and ill. If Garp was really at that level, something like that would have never happened. Garp greatest feat to date is to be able to defeat Shiki with Sengoku's help, someone weaker than Roger/Whitebeard
Still stick to my opinion until we see flashbacks of Roger and Garp my opinion of Garp being stronger is not going to change.

Bold: It was never stated when Roger and Whitebeard battled.
 

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How does this even make sense? Do you not see the contradiction? Mihawk is stronger than Shanks because hes the WSS and Shanks is stronger than Mihawk because he's a Yonkou. No people who try to dispute this are just making excuses when it comes to two characters with equally great feats titles mean nothing.
Not really. Shanks isn't stronger than Mihawk just because he's a Yonko. Mihawk is stronger because his title is based solely on strength, while Shanks' titles comes with a set of politics.
 

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Still stick to my opinion until we see flashbacks of Roger and Garp my opinion of Garp being stronger is not going to change.

Bold: It was never stated when Roger and Whitebeard battled.
Okay :/

Bold: It's Buggy who made the statement. Buggy only came in the crew during Roger's last journey to become Pirate King, which means Whitebeard and Roger fought at that moment. It's also noteworthy that he said WB was the only one(so no Garp, no Shiki, etc) who could fight equally with the late Pirate King(Roger). It's exactly what he said. He was clearly talking about a Roger as a pirate king
 

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Yes and Garp is neither the Hero of the Marines nor a Haki beast

Either way, enjoy your day arguing the usual :)
Shanks has feats unlike Garp U_U.
1. Clashed with Whitebeard while only using one hand whilst whitebeard was using two.
2. His conqueror haki is so strong that it Damages material thing not just people.
3. Stopped marineford war

the only feat Garp has shown are lifting up a giant iron ball and supposedly crushing 8 mountains for training which is technically hype cuz we didnt see it. and punching Marco. Admit it Garp is strong yes but he doensnt have enough feats to put him above whitebeard.
 

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Honestly, I dont know who would win, but I know who ever did win it would take the Extremely High Diff, and they themselves would be in critical condition after the fight.

Im pretty sure that Garp can tank a direct tremor punch, and Im sure WhiteBeard can tank a Haki enhanced Garp Punch. Im also confident that what WhiteBeard did to Akainu would NOT happend to Garp. There power is closer to each others then Akainu's was to whitebeard.
 

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WB high diff.

It was stated that garp and roger nearly killed each other but when was that, in what period of time was that, it could very well be when roger and garp were almost equals and roger later on advanced and became stronger, this is what mere fodders knew about garp and roger:



It tells that he cornered Roger, but it was never stated that he cornered him when both were at the peak of their power, in the other side we have plenty hype and feats that put WB above anyone on the manga except Roger, look what a crew member of the PK ship said about WB:



WB as the "only man" who tied with WB, buggy knew better than mere fodders that WB was the only guy to ever fight Roger on par, it means they were equals in power and standing.

Not only that we had the manga itself who proved that WB>anyone:





Even though sengoku knew the power of garp he always said that WB is the WSM, and nothing changes that, even garp itself puts WB on a pedestal:



His hype and feats are better, why someone claims that Garp>WB I dont get it.
 

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How does this even make sense? Do you not see the contradiction? Mihawk is stronger than Shanks because hes the WSS and Shanks is stronger than Mihawk because he's a Yonkou. No people who try to dispute this are just making excuses when it comes to two characters with equally great feats titles mean nothing.
Mihawk doesn't have a crew or territory, so he can't be a Yonko. It has nothing to do with his strength.
 

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WB high diff.

It was stated that garp and roger nearly killed each other but when was that, in what period of time was that, it could very well be when roger and garp were almost equals and roger later on advanced and became stronger, this is what mere fodders knew about garp and roger:



It tells that he cornered Roger, but it was never stated that he cornered him when both were at the peak of their power, in the other side we have plenty hype and feats that put WB above anyone on the manga except Roger, look what a crew member of the PK ship said about WB:



WB as the "only man" who tied with WB, buggy knew better than mere fodders that WB was the only guy to ever fight Roger on par, it means they were equals in power and standing.

Not only that we had the manga itself who proved that WB>anyone:





Even though sengoku knew the power of garp he always said that WB is the WSM, and nothing changes that, even garp itself puts WB on a pedestal:



His hype and feats are better, why someone claims that Garp>WB I dont get it.
Buggy was also fodder when he made the comment so your point is void.

Gol Roger himself stated that they nearly killed each other as well. Are you saying that his words dont matter:

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Garp has never been stated to fight Pirate King Roger. All what we know is that they fought in the past but we don't know when. For all we know, Roger wasn't pirate king and far from his prime when he used to fight him. Shiki, Squardo and many others also fought Roger. His hype pales in comparison to Whitebeard's who is said to be the only one who could fight equally with pirate King Roger and became world strongest man after Roger died and remained world strongest man despite being old and ill. If Garp was really at that level, something like that would have never happened. Garp greatest feat to date is to be able to defeat Shiki with Sengoku's help, someone weaker than Roger/Whitebeard
but it was stated by roger, he had fought garp so many times he considered him a friend and trusted him enough to tell him about his son.

and how do we know that when they fought roger was in his prime and garp wasn't?

How does Garp win against Whitebeard? no dont tell me lemme guess. "Cuz Roger said we almost killed eachother thats enough proof to put Garp above Whitebeard" Lol dont make me laugh. That statement can be interpreted in many ways Ive seen no feats from Garp that puts him above whitebeard.
"we nearly killed each other countless times"(from roger himself to garp)

we can easily conclude that they might have been almost, if not equal.

now answer this, is that statement in the manga for a FACT or are we speculating like you are?
 

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1. Whitebeard wasn't injured in any way that significantly hindered him. He commented that Squard's stab wasn't enough to hinder him. If you're referring to his illness, then so? If Whitebeard loses to someone because his illness hindered him, then WB<than person due to his illness. Not only that, but Whitebeard's illness was not affecting him at the time Akainu cleaved off half of his face. This is evident by the fact that Whitebeard was striking Akainu, a Logia, meaning he was using Haki, and his illness stopped him from using Haki when he wanted to knock out Ace's executioners with Haoshoku and when he wanted to strike Kizaru, it left him unable to use Busoshoku.

2. No he didn't. Whitebeard snuck up behind him and hit Akainu with a sneak attack. And even then, Akainu was still able to cleave off half of his face. If I snuck up behind you and stabbed you in your kidney, you're gonna faulter too, even if you were better than me. One vs one, face to face, with no sneak attacks, Whitebeard vs Akainu ended up as Whitebeard on his knees, magma in chest as Akainu stood over him. Was Akainu hurt? Yes. But he was not schooled, because he wasn't even defeated. If Akainu was defeated, he would have stayed down for the rest of the war. If Akainu was "schooled", he wouldn't have had enough strength to face off against all of Whitebeard's commanders(minus Jozu), two Shichibukai, and Ivankov. If Akainu was schooled, he wouldn't have been able to keep on fighting and defeat Jinbei with absolutely no difficulty.
Didn't you read one piece marineford arc properly????WB was not healthy and he is near to death.He was stabbed by squalo and 3 admirals landed serious blows and he was still standing.He got hit with bullets and 267 sword slashes,gun wounds of 152,shot by canon 46 times he received and he died standing so u think akainu can take all these and survive??????

garp takes this high-diff in my op.
 

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I need to see Garp's durability feats to judge this, honestly.

How is he going to tank a Gura Punch from WB? By depictions we can assume Akainu is more durable than Garp (at MF)
 

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Imo the steongest marine and the strongest pirate were both stronger than the second strongest marine and second strongest pirate, though along the lines of 99:100 or 98:100
Hm, how do you know who is strongest Pirate?

on topic:

Both in prime:

WB win. WB was said to be only man to rival Roger's strength, but for Garp it was said that he only give good fights to Roger, which is not same.

Both old:

WB still wins, he is still holder of "Strongest man", but match would be closer here.
 

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Hm, how do you know who is strongest Pirate?

on topic:

Both in prime:

WB win. WB was said to be only man to rival Roger's strength, but for Garp it was said that he only give good fights to Roger, which is not same.

Both old:

WB still wins, he is still holder of "Strongest man", but match would be closer here.
Nearly killing each other several times doesn't mean giving good fights.
 
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