[Discussion] Whitebeard is the most overrated Character.

[Punk Hazard]

Was akainu called the worlds strongest creature like Kaido

Kaido isn't a part of Whitebeard's generation dawg, he's part of the New Era.

let's leave wb out of this for a sec. Was he even hyped like shanks I don't think so

Yes. Teach stated that he wasn't ready to fight Shanks, despite having the strongest Logia and the strongest Paramecia. Teach was more than happy to face off against Sengoku and Garp, but said he wasn't ready to fight Shanks. The same thing happened when he realized Akainu was on board the battleship that he wanted. Rather than face Akainu, he ran away in terror because, just like with Shanks, he wasn't ready. In fact, Teach was talking cocky to Shanks, saying he looked handsome with the scar he gave him, but ran in utter terror from Akainu.

When Shanks showed up to the war, Marine fodder were ready to oppose him. Conversely, but related, fodder all around were terrified of Akainu throughout the war.

he was never even stated to be the ultimate top tier like Garp was in his prime,

Oda said if Akainu were a pirate, he'd have become the Pirate King in only two years, which is pretty much saying the same damn thing.

He was put on a pedestal from the get go and Oda separated him by calling him the hero of the marines

Of course Garp would be the hero of the Marines. He regularly hunted down and fought what was once the biggest threat to the Marines. That's just a nickname from a bygone era.

etc I can go on but I'll stop. what was akainu given? A big beating

A big beating? He was jumped by Whitebeard and then hit one more time. That "big beating" couldn't even weaken him enough to stop him from fighting dozens of New World pirates, including WB's top commanders, and leaving the skirmish without so much of a scratch.

and matching Marco not even overpowering him where as Garp punched him easily.

Garp caught Marco off-guard, the same way Jozu caught Aokiji off-guard and yet was still unable to defeat him. Cheap shots and sneak attacks don't indicate being stronger. Otherwise, Caesar and the Yeti Cool Brothers would be stronger than Luffy and Zoro for defeating them with cheap shots and sneak attacks.

Let's not forget Squard was able to stab Whitebeard with a sneak attack, just like Garp was able to sneak punch Marco. Does that mean that Squard is stronger than Whitebeard?

Oda time and time again showed how great Garp was and also showed shiki can take on the best and survive for quite some time. Oda always gives certain characters very special hype and ppl like Kaido, wb, roger and Garp are usually on the receiving end of that kind of praise.

He gave Akainu the exact same prize by having Teach, someone who was happy to take on Sengoku and Garp, be terrified of Akainu. Just like how Teach decided to leave Marineford because he didn't wanna fight Shanks' entire crew, he ran from the Marines just because he heard Akainu's name. Akainu alone got a response from Teach that was greater than the response that took Shanks' entire crew.

Now let's get wb, him having better reflexes and being younger makes his durability better.

Says who? Not once has it been indicated that WB's durability decreased in his old age, just his reflexes and stamina.

 

[mishoa]

Marineford WB isn't beating Kaido,Shanks,Or BB he most likely will beat Big mom cause it's obvious that she's the weakest emperor. Kaido def tanks that punch the put Akainu on his ass.

That Big Mom shade...I'm going to laugh when Shanks or Black Beard get exposed as the current weakest Yonko.

 

[lelerskates]

Kaido and Mingo are the most overrated characters.

Amen. Doffy is a weaking and kaido isn't unbeatable hence the hyperbole used for him is just fail hype.

 

[lelerskates]

That Big Mom shade...I'm going to laugh when Shanks or Black Beard get exposed as the current weakest Yonko.

Big mom is the weakest.

 

[Wizard_Impressive]

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[HashiraMadara]

Amen. Doffy is a weaking and kaido isn't unbeatable hence the hyperbole used for him is just fail hype.

Nah Fam, Joker is no where near being a weakling

 

[lelerskates]

Nah Fam, Joker is no where near being a weakling

Death is not more universal than life because life is required to die but death is not a requirement for life.

 

[arv993]

People question if the top dogs of Roger's generation were that strong despite then still being top tiers in old age

I think if Whitebeard stopped drinking too much Sake then he wouldn't have had any illness. Just look at Garp and Sengoku. They are healthy.

Kaido isn't a part of Whitebeard's generation dawg, he's part of the New Era.



Yes. Teach stated that he wasn't ready to fight Shanks, despite having the strongest Logia and the strongest Paramecia. Teach was more than happy to face off against Sengoku and Garp, but said he wasn't ready to fight Shanks. The same thing happened when he realized Akainu was on board the battleship that he wanted. Rather than face Akainu, he ran away in terror because, just like with Shanks, he wasn't ready. In fact, Teach was talking cocky to Shanks, saying he looked handsome with the scar he gave him, but ran in utter terror from Akainu.

When Shanks showed up to the war, Marine fodder were ready to oppose him. Conversely, but related, fodder all around were terrified of Akainu throughout the war.


Oda said if Akainu were a pirate, he'd have become the Pirate King in only two years, which is pretty much saying the same damn thing.


Of course Garp would be the hero of the Marines. He regularly hunted down and fought what was once the biggest threat to the Marines. That's just a nickname from a bygone era.


A big beating? He was jumped by Whitebeard and then hit one more time. That "big beating" couldn't even weaken him enough to stop him from fighting dozens of New World pirates, including WB's top commanders, and leaving the skirmish without so much of a scratch.

Garp caught Marco off-guard, the same way Jozu caught Aokiji off-guard and yet was still unable to defeat him. Cheap shots and sneak attacks don't indicate being stronger. Otherwise, Caesar and the Yeti Cool Brothers would be stronger than Luffy and Zoro for defeating them with cheap shots and sneak attacks.

Let's not forget Squard was able to stab Whitebeard with a sneak attack, just like Garp was able to sneak punch Marco. Does that mean that Squard is stronger than Whitebeard?



He gave Akainu the exact same prize by having Teach, someone who was happy to take on Sengoku and Garp, be terrified of Akainu. Just like how Teach decided to leave Marineford because he didn't wanna fight Shanks' entire crew, he ran from the Marines just because he heard Akainu's name. Akainu alone got a response from Teach that was greater than the response that took Shanks' entire crew.


Says who? Not once has it been indicated that WB's durability decreased in his old age, just his reflexes and stamina.

lol i mean kaido is in that level of hype.

dude this is the epitome of reaching BB with two years of exp with his new fruit and his crew is inferior to akainu??? he said that because why start a pointless fight when he has nothing to gain. he was ready to take on the whole revolutionary base and its leaders so akainu> them. And teach was boasting cuz he thought he was unstoppable with his new powers, oda actually adds layers to characters which makes them complex and dont always act the same similar to ppl in real life but putting it in simple terms he was cocky as anything but tamed himself later which shows us hes smarter. he even had his crew which makes it ridiculous to even insinuate akainu was winning that encounter.

its not a sneak punch if the guy is in front of u but lets put that aside for now, its a feat of great haki is what i mean admirals needed help like kizaru to actually hurt him since his regen is amazing. they couldnt bypass his df kizaru used a VA and a kairoseki instead of trying to kick or punch a guy with haki who was wide open and not paying attention garp wouldve had a field day in that scenario but admirals haki are not on that level. dont bring in other lame examples stick to marco as obviously he is a unique case, and really u brought in squard dude as an example come on lol ur killing me with laughter.

so does that oda statement make him better than kaido?, no it doesnt, it could mean while he is powerful he is cunning etc which can lead him to outmaneuver other ppl. he is as strong as aokiji with a very very slight edge but oda doesnt give aokiji in manga hype nearly as much compared to all time top tier guys. To clarify I mean that the statement is not direct and if it was akainu wouldve gotten better in manga hype which he doesnt. he is a step below the guys like kaido, roger, shiki, prime wb, garp is what i mean. if we interpret the statement the way you did aokiji and akainu have an edge in power over ppl like BB and shank as well.

durability and tanking tend to increase when you dont have an illness, he took a hit and got a heart attack, tried to use kings haki gave him a heart attack, so if he is younger his ability to get back up after an attack instead of holding his chest and panting would increase dramatically. Also faster reflexes mean less damage which makes him even more dangerous. this is not mindbreaking stuff im talking about here.

So if Wb is faster and more durable and roger/garp and shiki can match a guy like that it means they are really close and thus in top 5 of OP and kaido is someone who gets a hype close to that. And BB is already getting insane hype atm. akainu and admirals like aokiji seem a step below those guys minus BB(need to see more from him).