[Discussion] Whitebeard is the most overrated Character.

[Punk Hazard]

Akainu was the person who executed the whole thing, if it was soooo useless why even bother.

They didn't know it'd be useless.

It was to get a big cheap shot at Wb. They took any opportunity to bring him down. All of this shows how much of a threat wb truly is.

It also displays pragmatism. Why wage a war if you can eliminate the enemy without it? That's just smart thinking.

He laughed so do other anime characters they aren't gonna break character after an attack

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I should stop reading here.

Wb isn't gonna admit oh yea I'm super hurt its called pride simple as that.

Proud characters do this all the time. Doflamingo and Rob Lucci have both expressed damage being taken, both out loud and to themselves lmao. WB has no reason to lie about any damage he takes.

Speculation??? Really the whole setup to show his age and his fragility and its speculation

Yes. All it did was show that WB's reaction speed was lowered. He didn't react with any kind of pain from the stab, just surprise that it happened, and then it was ignored.

Cuz yonko commanders can vary in strength, Ben beckam is likely closer to shanks than lucky roo. Same with big mom the guy who lost to urouge is further away from big mom then cracker or one of the other commanders. Or are u in the belief that all yonko commanders are equal when the manga proves to us that it's not usually the case

None of this contradicts what I said.

 

[Kingu]

Akainu > MF WB

 

[-Akuma-]

People question if the top dogs of Roger's generation were that strong despite then still being top tiers in old age

 

[Passerby]

I think if Whitebeard stopped drinking too much Sake then he wouldn't have had any illness. Just look at Garp and Sengoku. They are healthy.

 

[arv993]

They didn't know it'd be useless.


It also displays pragmatism. Why wage a war if you can eliminate the enemy without it? That's just smart thinking.

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I should stop reading here.


Proud characters do this all the time. Doflamingo and Rob Lucci have both expressed damage being taken, both out loud and to themselves lmao. WB has no reason to lie about any damage he takes.


Yes. All it did was show that WB's reaction speed was lowered. He didn't react with any kind of pain from the stab, just surprise that it happened, and then it was ignored.



None of this contradicts what I said.

so the next page where he went on a knee and bled a lot and was sweating quite a bit is considered no damage whatsoever huh. I like your definition of damage.

oh there s no such thing as character pride, didnt doffy not even acknowledge the damage of GK until Luffy pointed out how law really did a number on him. your reaching is going to another degree. Wb also calls akainu a brat maybe akainu is fodder next to him lol. Do you seriously not understand that certain statements are made from emotion or pride etc. Its kinda basic but I guess its too much for you to comprehend.

People question if the top dogs of Roger's generation were that strong despite then still being top tiers in old age

thats the point the whole argument that since roger died the great pirate era started means pirates/marines of new age> pirates/marines of rogers era etc. Not saying they cant be outdone, kaido seems to be an absolute monster but the quality of the old gen is very high but the new gen has lower quality but quantity. No one so far just seems to be on the garp/roger/Wb level as of yet. BB seems like he can reach it

I have yet to see hype of any marine on the level of garp even akainu doesnt possess it. him being a old geezer at MF still had a lot of hype/feats like when he punched marco to the dirt with ease.

 

[Punk Hazard]

so the next page where he went on a knee and bled a lot and was sweating quite a bit is considered no damage whatsoever huh. I like your definition of damage.

He got on his knee to hug Squard.

oh there s no such thing as character pride, didnt doffy not even acknowledge the damage of GK until Luffy pointed out how law really did a number on him. your reaching is going to another degree

The only reaching here is this character pride nonsense. Characters express pain all the time.

 

[Olorin]

I agree, WB and Roger are the most overrated characters in OP

not too long ago (or has it already been a long time? idk im not active much) there was a discussion here on how easily Roger could defeat all 3 Admirals at once

that being said, WB is still one of the few that are at the top of the OP world, and no I do not thing there is any one strongest chracter in OP, imo there are top tiers who all have a decent shot at winning against the rest and no one is a definite no. 1, just as I don't believe Luffy will be a definite no. 1 at the end, its pretty clear that at least BB will be as strong as him and we all know Zoro won't be far behind and beyonf that, Law will prob still be stronger than Zoro so he will pretty much rival Luffy ... and the list goes on ...

all manga do fast hyping where they hype a character up to no end because there is no time to do it gradually, that hype doesnt always fall flat but it almost never lives up tbh, yes even Oda does it, OP is a weekly 17 page manga, he has no other choice

WB was impressive at MF but we all saw Akainu was completely able to put up a fight, and yes WB was up against many opponents but still, at the end WB was dead and the pirates were left running desperately while the top of the Marine forces was pretty much completely in tact ... even Akainu was completely fine at the end chasing off the commanders, and if WB didn't go Berserk after Ace died Akainu never even would have gotten his ass kicked to begin with (like it or not Nakama powerup, or something akin to that, is in all Shonen Manga, even OP, and WB got it at MF)

sorry, phone XD

 

[LBeezy]

there was a discussion here on how easily Roger could defeat all 3 Admirals at once

Lmfao! Omg.. who in their right mind would say something like that? Lol we don't even know what Roger can do, but since the manga has compared him to WB and Garp, that was just hilarious for them to say.. xd

 

[Hexuze]

Lmfao! Omg.. who in their right mind would say something like that? Lol we don't even know what Roger can do, but since the manga has compared him to WB and Garp, that was just hilarious for them to say.. xd

He's right. I think those people have been reading too much Naruto or like...FT.

 

[LBeezy]

He's right. I think those people have been reading too much Naruto or like...FT.

Lol XD idk what those people were reading! But they're definitely crazy! xd

 

[-Akuma-]

so the next page where he went on a knee and bled a lot and was sweating quite a bit is considered no damage whatsoever huh. I like your definition of damage.

oh there s no such thing as character pride, didnt doffy not even acknowledge the damage of GK until Luffy pointed out how law really did a number on him. your reaching is going to another degree. Wb also calls akainu a brat maybe akainu is fodder next to him lol. Do you seriously not understand that certain statements are made from emotion or pride etc. Its kinda basic but I guess its too much for you to comprehend.




thats the point the whole argument that since roger died the great pirate era started means pirates/marines of new age> pirates/marines of rogers era etc. Not saying they cant be outdone, kaido seems to be an absolute monster but the quality of the old gen is very high but the new gen has lower quality but quantity. No one so far just seems to be on the garp/roger/Wb level as of yet. BB seems like he can reach it

I have yet to see hype of any marine on the level of garp even akainu doesnt possess it. him being a old geezer at MF still had a lot of hype/feats like when he punched marco to the dirt with ease.

Just because it's a new age doesn't mean the pirates are stronger than in Roger's age. You say Kaido is a beast but there is nothing putting hi miles above WB at the time, someone who from Roger's generation and still a top dog. Luffy's generation will most likely surpass Roger/WB/Garp/Sengoku's generation but the current big dogs? Nah.

 

[ToshiZO]

When Rogers era is called "The Great Pirate Era" then we can talk about that era being > the current era. There are many more pirates today and therefore many more top tiers on both sides (Navy and Pirates).

No one gave a rats ass about pirating during Roger's era, he was the one who made being a pirate mainstream. Common sense it was weaker as there was considerably less competition.

 

[-Akuma-]

Common sense doesn't dictate that. Just because pirating wasn't popular back then doesn't change the fact the top dogs at the time are a decent amount ahead of the current top tiers. There might be overall a lot more stronger people out there but the top tier in Roger's gen are>the top tiers now.

 

[ToshiZO]

And what makes you think the top tiers of Rogers gen > Top tiers now?

Only ones that were separated from the pack were WB and Roger, and thats exactly why they were separated from the pack, they were stronger than the rest. That doesn't say anything about anyone else.

Rayleigh was the right hand of the PK, again that is exactly why Roger was the PK, he had a guy like Rayleigh under him. These deviations from the rest of the world is what made Roger and his crew special, again says absolutely nothing about the top tiers of the time (Shiki, Sengoku, Kong etc.).

Common sense dictates that an era called The Great Pirate Era produces stronger competition hence stronger pirates. Common sense dictates that Oda the author of this manga, didn't intentionally call the Era after Roger died, the "Great Pirate Era" for fun.

 

[-Akuma-]

What makes you think that the old gen are stronger than the current gen? Because the top dogs from Roger's gen despite being old and not in their prime are still top tiers. Heck WB was hooked on life support and was still the strongest character we've seen to date.

Only one separated fro the pack? Garp was stated to have almost killed Roger himself and is the most praised Marine to date, while you have cats like Shiki who was Roger rival and was able to fight both Garp and Snegoku.

Saying ONLY Roger and WB were stand out is flat out wrong when you have cats like Shiki, Garp and Rayleigh (someone who was able to stand on equal footing with an Admiral in his old age)
Common sense doesn't dictate that at all and Oda himself hasn't shown that to be true at all......

 

[ToshiZO]

Sorry but that makes no sense, Garp was never stated as Rogers equal, replace Garp with todays top tier and you can say the exact same thing about them, replace Shiki with a current Yonkou and you can say the exact same thing about them. They are nothing special as top tiers, they were second place to WB and Roger, any one can fill that role.

And again with Rayleigh, have we seen an old Shanks for example to compare to? No....so give that argument a rest.

 

[Punk Hazard]

The manga explicitly shows that not every old genner can hang with the new generation. Rayleigh was getting tired using his primary fighting style against Kizaru, who remained casual using a fighting style that he pretty much never breaks out. Kizaru didn't even deem a sword of light necessary against Marco or Whitebeard, didn't use it at all during the war, so it's safe to assume it's not something he cares to use often.

The fact that Rayleigh is mainly a swordsman and was losing out in a sword fight with someone who doesn't use a sword that often just shows that old gen isn't automatically able to hang with the newer generation.

Sorry but that makes no sense, Garp was never stated as Rogers equal, replace Garp with todays top tier and you can say the exact same thing about them, replace Shiki with a current Yonkou and you can say the exact same thing about them. They are nothing special as top tiers, they were second place to WB and Roger, any one can fill that role.

And again with Rayleigh, have we seen an old Shanks for example to compare to? No....so give that argument a rest.

Garp and Roger almost killed each other several times, indicating that they were extremely close if not equal.

 

[ToshiZO]

Nope only WB was Roger's equal. Almost killing each other is ambiguous as ****. Luffy almost killed almost every single villain he encountered, he was significantly weaker than 99% of them.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Nope only WB was Roger's equal. Almost killing each other is ambiguous as ****. Luffy almost killed almost every single villain he encountered, he was significantly weaker than 99% of them.

Lol not really. The only ones he came close to killing were Rob Lucci and Doflamingo if we're being very honest.

 

[ToshiZO]

Lol not really. The only ones he came close to killing were Rob Lucci and Doflamingo if we're being very honest.

Enel, Doflamingo, Rob Lucci, Moriah, Crocodile.

He almost killed all of them. And even if he didn't, the two Rob Lucci and Doflamingo prove that almost killing someone ≠ equals.