Which shikai is better shinjis or shunsuis

[kyubbi sagemode]

So these are definitely two of the strongest shikai we've seen so far, and these two shikai are better than a lot of bankai that we've seen. So what is the better shikai overall, sakanade which is shinjis, or katen kyokotsu which is shunsuis

 

[Lich]

i would go with shinji's.... though im a kyoraku fan xd

 

[Simple Math]

both good ^^

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

both good ^^

But which is better?

 

[Narutohokage7]

I love both.

Slightly off point, Captain commander is the most badass

 

[Lrrrrr]

Shinji's is beast xd If that's his shikai, I wonder what the hell his bankai is?

 

[TenzaZangetsu]

Both shikai are indeed interesting:ice:, to someone who doesn't know their powers it's trickyU_U, but shinjis is a bit trickier because even if you know how it works getting your body to reverse your instincts is next to impossibe!:shrug: But I don't agree that those two are the strongest shikai!, Ryuujin Jakka is the strongest shikai , Kyoukasuigetsu is better and so is Senbonzakura etcU_UU_U

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

Both shikai are indeed interesting:ice:, to someone who doesn't know their powers it's trickyU_U, but shinjis is a bit trickier because even if you know how it works getting your body to reverse your instincts is next to impossibe!:shrug: But I don't agree that those two are the strongest shikai!, Ryuujin Jakka is the strongest shikai , Kyoukasuigetsu is better and so is Senbonzakura etcU_UU_U

I never said there the two strongest I said there two of the strongest, and Im a big byakuya fan, but shinji and shunsuis shikai are obviously greater than senbonzakura

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Shunsuis shikai is not better than byakuya bankai if u think that ur crazy same goes for shinji shikai.

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

Shunsuis shikai is not better than byakuya bankai if u think that ur crazy same goes for shinji shikai.

Are you kidding me?? So are you saying bankai byakuya>shikai shunsui???? If you think that then your the crazy one

 

[Zanji]

The moment you understand your in Shinji's shikai it is quite easy to counter. Shunsui's is much more difficult to counter seeing as it has multiple abilities, hiding and attacking through shadows, color tag, and wind techniques, who knows what else he has well it has up it's sleeves.

So I am going to have to go with Shunsui's

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Are you kidding me?? So are you saying bankai byakuya>shikai shunsui???? If you think that then your the crazy one

Yea his bankai is better..kyraku shikai is not really that nice tell me how can he get close to byakuya in his shikai form? It look strong cuz he was fighting stark thoes wolves can't compare to senbonzakura they don't have the speed or the numbers of senbonzakura...how can kyraku escape gokei?.

Stark should have went back to the cero guns kyraku would have had to go bankai but sense he had the wolves out he lost smh.

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

You dumbass, shunsui beat the first espada with his shikai, and byakuya needed bankai to defeat the seventh espada, and starrk>>>>>>byakuya, ask anyone

 

[Zanji]

Yea his bankai is better..kyraku shikai is not really that nice tell me how can he get close to byakuya in his shikai form? It look strong cuz he was fighting stark thoes wolves can't compare to senbonzakura they don't have the speed or the numbers of senbonzakura...how can kyraku escape gokei?.

Stark should have went back to the cero guns kyraku would have had to go bankai but sense he had the wolves out he lost smh.

I may receive negative rep for this.....but DILIGAF

That is by far the dumbest thing I have read all day...and I have read some pretty stupid shit today

One Senbonzakura, cannot compare to Starrk in any manor, Starrk is far faster than that 7th Espada (examples Surprising Shunsui and Ukitake on several accounts, Dodging his own Cero that was fired back at him at twice the speed, appearing infront of Orohime (between Kenpachi and Ichigo without them even noticing till the last second) AND escaped with Orohime before the two could attack him) Starrk doesn't need the Wolves to fight Byakuya, 1,000 Cero's fired at once at one spot, simple as that not even Senbonzakura can defend against that.

Also all Shunsui has to do, is attack a shadow that Byakuya is standing on and the latter is screwed, sorry but in a fight between Shunsui and Byakuya, Shunsui will take the prize every time.

Also who was it that was owned by a Sternritter and is now deceased, only to have that Sternritter get owned with two others by one technique?

 

[Shame]

The moment you understand your in Shinji's shikai it is quite easy to counter. Shunsui's is much more difficult to counter seeing as it has multiple abilities, hiding and attacking through shadows, color tag, and wind techniques, who knows what else he has well it has up it's sleeves.

So I am going to have to go with Shunsui's

Just because Aizen did it does not mean that everyone can do it. Also I would like to point out that everyone got cut down by Aizen. Shinji went head to head with Aizen and Shunsui did not. Saying all this means nothing but it proves you need to be brilliant to overcome sakanade's power's.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

You dumbass, shunsui beat the first espada with his shikai, and byakuya needed bankai to defeat the seventh espada, and starrk>>>>>>byakuya, ask anyone

He did not really need bankai to beat him lol an when he did use bankai the seventh espada was child's play he defeated that guy wit only one arm an leg smh no match..anyway it's a different match up like Wat if kyraku fought the seventh espada an he could not use his right arm or right leg of course ur going to use bankai it's about match ups.

Lol is stark stronger than byakuya,byakuya would have gave kyraku more a fight than stark like I said his wolves wer to slow an there was not enough of them it would have been tougher for kyraku to dodge senbonzakura.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

I may receive negative rep for this.....but DILIGAF

That is by far the dumbest thing I have read all day...and I have read some pretty stupid shit today

One Senbonzakura, cannot compare to Starrk in any manor, Starrk is far faster than that 7th Espada (examplesM Surprising Shunsui and Ukitake on several accounts, Dodging his own Cero that was fired back at him at twice the speed, appearing infront of Orohime (between Kenpachi and Ichigo without them even noticing till the last second) AND escaped with Orohime before the two could attack him) Starrk doesn't need the Wolves to fight Byakuya, 1,000 Cero's fired at once at one spot, simple as that not even Senbonzakura can defend against that.

Also all Shunsui has to do, is attack a shadow that Byakuya is standing on and the latter is screwed, sorry but in a fight between Shunsui and Byakuya, Shunsui will take the prize every time.

Also who was it that was owned by a Sternritter and is now deceased, only to have that Sternritter get owned with two others by one technique?

Yea the seventh espada said he was the fastest of the espada yea so kno ur stuff befor you speak but yea his speed means nonthing...

Thoes wolves would never reach byakuya senbonzakura protects him from everything thoes wolves are two slow..it's better if he does use the 1000 cero but that also won't help as long as senbonzakura is up nonthing he shoot will get threw better off shooting 1 strong cero than a 1000 weak ones..byakuya is also smart in battle which will make the fight even harder on stark plus trying to sneak him from behind won't work he learned to watch his back from his fight with ichigo. He not as fast as ichigo so no worries there..stark might win but most likely to lose if they fight it's all about match ups..

Yea kyraku is favored to win if he fights byakuya but he won't do it with just shikai alone byakuya would not let that happen..what if there is no shadow when they fight then what,Wat if they fight in the air like when he fought stark..an if there is a shadow he better make it a kill shot cuz if not byakuya will use it against him he will find some way to counter it

Yea they had to steal it cuz it was to strong so this is another fail an byakuya not dead only a fool would believe that.

 

[lesley]

ryuujin jaka is the strongest
but to the thread question
but i'll go with sakanade because its hard to reverse all your movements at the tension of battle
especially when he cutting you to bits while you are try to adapt

but katen kyotsu, for a smart mind will be easier to evade, although when he's putting a lot of pressure on you you might tend to forget the rules
and his last attack during a direct battle, "iro oni" is badass

 

[lesley]

You dumbass, shunsui beat the first espada with his shikai, and byakuya needed bankai to defeat the seventh espada, and starrk>>>>>>byakuya, ask anyone

shunsui, ukitake, love and rojuro
defeated the espada,
if it was a one on one fight, he would have had to go bankai

 

[Zanji]

Just because Aizen did it does not mean that everyone can do it. Also I would like to point out that everyone got cut down by Aizen. Shinji went head to head with Aizen and Shunsui did not. Saying all this means nothing but it proves you need to be brilliant to overcome sakanade's power's.

Shinji went head to head with Aizen because he thought he could take him, he didn't account on the first encounter being interrupted by Kaname Tousen. Also Shunsui pulls off the idiot demeanor but is very smart (do I have to remind everyone him and Ukitake were the first to graduate the academy). Also Shunsui would know about Sakanade's powers because Shinji became a captain, got excommunicated as a captain and became a captain once again all during Shunsui's captain hood in the Gotei, so I am pretty sure he knows full well of Sakanade's powers and how to counter them.

Yea the seventh espada said he was the fastest of the espada yea so kno ur stuff befor you speak but yea his speed means nonthing...

Rookie, you obviously do not know who I am, I know full well what Zommari said to Byakuya, but Byakuya is not the fastest Shinigami but yet was faster than Zommari, also how would Zommari know how fast Starrk was? The top 4 were not allowed to release their Resurreccion inside of Los Noches. Also when we saw Starrk recapture Orohime, it was obvious that Starrk was the faster of Zommari and Starrk. Don't even try to bring the after image thing into play here, Starrk used it as well.

Thoes wolves would never reach byakuya senbonzakura protects him from everything thoes wolves are two slow..it's better if he does use the 1000 cero but that also won't help as long as senbonzakura is up nonthing he shoot will get threw better off shooting 1 strong cero than a 1000 weak ones..byakuya is also smart in battle which will make the fight even harder on stark plus trying to sneak him from behind won't work he learned to watch his back from his fight with ichigo. He not as fast as ichigo so no worries there..stark might win but most likely to lose if they fight it's all about match ups..

One Byakuya isn't the only one who is "smart" in combat, Starrk was able to tell Shunsui's dominant hand from his weaker one, then could tell how Shunsui was able to correct it mid battle. Also He figured out every aspect of Ukitake's shikai's ability in only three shots, first one caught him by surprise, second one was a theory shot, third one was the shot that allowed him to understand it. So ya Starrk is no slouch when it comes to perceptiveness in the middle of combat.

Yea kyraku is favored to win if he fights byakuya but he won't do it with just shikai alone byakuya would not let that happen..what if there is no shadow when they fight then what,Wat if they fight in the air like when he fought stark..an if there is a shadow he better make it a kill shot cuz if not byakuya will use it against him he will find some way to counter it.

"Byakuya would not let that happen" The ****? Seriously he wouldn't let it happen, rookie I don't think Byakuya would have a choice in the matter. Shunsui was going to use Bankai against Starrk was was told not to use it where so many can see it. Also Shunsui's shikai only uses it's abilities when it wants to. Also never say there are no Shadows, shadows are everywhere even when they are fighting in the sky there will be shadows. He doesn't need to use shadows remember the color tag? remember the wind techniques? Byakuya isn't as skilled as he leads on, he uses his damn Bankai like a crutch, I mean seriously when have we seen him fight someone and Not use his bankai against that person? Oh and another thing on Senbonzakura not letting something happen to Byakuya......Renji vs Byakuya

Yea they had to steal it cuz it was to strong so this is another fail an byakuya not dead only a fool would believe that.

To strong? Hell his Bankai doesn't even rank in nor near the top 5 for "strong" in Bankai's, they stole it because they knew it was one they could steal, not because they "feared" it. Hell Byakuya gave into fear when he couldn't use his precious Bankai in battle. Then I suppose I am a fool for believing him to be dead