Which is more important: Mathematics or Language?

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language is natural, at least the talking part.
Math isn't. You have to learn it.
Therefore, with the natural = good arguement, language is more important and should be considered the only option .

I assume over half of you have to agree now.
 

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Do I need to remind you how important maths is?

> Cars = maths created that

> Houses

> Roads

> Electricity

> Your clothes

> Technology: cellphones, computers etc.

> Facebook; which Mark Zuckerburg didn't require English to create

> This forum

> The fact you can press buttons on your computer/appear and they subsequently appear here wasn't rocket science

Most of your examples fall under, math serves language so language is more important. What was the driving force for most of your examples? Language??????
 

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I'll put up a troll response.

language is natural, at least the talking part.
Math isn't. You have to learn it.
Therefore, with the natural = good arguement, language is more important and should be considered the only option .

I assume over half of you have to agree now.

Kind of agree.

English is a prerequisite to mathematical comprehension; but isn't that similar to saying the bigger brother got more brains because he was born first?

Most of your examples fall under, math serves language so language is more important. What was the driving force for most of your examples? Language??????

That means those enlisted subjects are unimportant to your life?

Importance is the key here. It's not the question of which came first and which is the prerequisite for the other; which is innate and which isn't. I was aware that language is the mother of maths before I made this thread; but from an importance point of view, it isn't exactly obvious what the answer is

I'll put up a troll response.

language is natural, at least the talking part.
Math isn't. You have to learn it.
Therefore, with the natural = good arguement, language is more important and should be considered the only option .

I assume over half of you have to agree now.

Nature is the stance you have taken I see.

I presume then that humans will always be the masters of technology?

That nature will always be the better route than organic and man-made things?

First of all: it's only possible that you can buy chicken from your Wallmart because we didn't think "natural" was enough. We then depended on unnaturally grown chickens that are sped up to a satisfying growth through technology. Which brings us back to math
 
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Maths is a language, the only relevant language actually.
We can do away with all other language except Maths because it reigns supreme everywhere explaining in details even the nature of the universe.
 

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Both are of equal importance. Maths, Language & Science go hand-in-hand, if one ceases to exist the other two become almost meaningless.​
 
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I don't wish to live in a dichotomy, both math and language are important. Anything that makes people think one is superior is just trying to flaunt their university degree. I have an English degree but I'm not stupid in math.

I just want to make it clear, language isn't just words, written or spoken. Language includes what you wear, architecture, landscaping, however you express yourself. Because language is just trying to express an idea to another person. And as already posted, math is language. Remember equations? They are trying to express something. But that doesn't take away the importance in math because obviously there is a difference. If there wasn't, we would have a lot more STEM degrees than liberal Art degrees.

Nature is the stance you have taken I see.

I presume then that humans will always be the masters of technology?

That nature will always be the better route than organic and man-made things?

First of all: it's only possible that you can buy chicken from your Wallmart because we didn't think "natural" was enough. We then depended on unnaturally grown chickens that are sped up to a satisfying growth through technology. Which brings us back to math

I was being facetious. I know it is hard to understand intent in a forum, but did I put up serveral cues to highlight my position. This is why having a grounded and extensive library of literary elements comes in handy. For more back info, I was referring to the abundant people I have seen who fall under the natural argument in this forum. Especially when discussing homosexuals.
 
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Do I need to remind you how important maths is?

> Cars = maths created that

> Houses

> Roads

> Electricity

> Your clothes

> Technology: cellphones, computers etc.

> Facebook; which Mark Zuckerburg didn't require English to create

> This forum

> The fact you can press buttons on your computer/appear and they subsequently appear here wasn't rocket science

Does the usage of maths make language obsolete? All of these things were made possible by a combination of maths and language, but by no means can you credit only mathematics for their creation.

You mean to tell me that everything on that list was created by singular individuals and had been advanced throughout time by people who just randomly decided to improve on the model?

Maybe I'm reading this wrong and we're talking of different levels of complexity, but try to create something without communicating its purpose.
 

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Both are of equal importance. Maths, English & Science go hand-in-hand, if one ceases to exist the other two become almost meaningless.​

That's blasphemy, the first language has no distinct relationship with a language formed by primates. English is replaced easily while maths is everlasting, "Mathematics are the blueprint of the universe."
 

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Math. And it will just become more important in the future.
 

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That's blasphemy, the first language has no distinct relationship with a language formed by primates. English is replaced easily while maths is everlasting, "Mathematics are the blueprint of the universe."


My bad, by English I meant Language. Even though Language can be replaced it still is important. Albeit it depends on the context; if humans cease to exist then Language would so - only Maths and Science remain. But whether you like it or not, we do exist, and Language is the only way we can communicate our mathematical/scientific findings. If we cannot communicate these findings across then it's pretty much the same as not finding any breakthrough, because one person cannot do anything with these findings.

Science and Maths will always remain but without Language there is no such thing as progress.​
 
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The level of math we have cannot be achieved in a society where they can't even communicate properly. How the hell do people form coherent thoughts without it? Grunting?

That means those enlisted subjects are unimportant to your life?

Importance is the key here. It's not the question of which came first and which is the prerequisite for the other; which is innate and which isn't. I was aware that language is the mother of maths before I made this thread; but from an importance point of view, it isn't exactly obvious what the answer is
The one that is a key factor in the survival of a social species is obviously more important.
 
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Even when you think, you think in the language that is most comfortable to you, at least that's the case with me. So without a language I find it difficult how one could derive the formulas of algebra or calculus. So in my opinion both are equally important but language provides one with the means to think about maths and share it with others while our advancement in maths progresses our understanding of this universe and ofc use that knowledge to our benefit.
 

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How the hell do people form coherent thoughts without it? Grunting?

Loool. 'tis true tho, language is fundamental. Though out of all the subjects in schooling I like math very much more than language
 

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Well, maths covers a wide scope of things, but language is needed for communication, understanding and translation.
 

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Mathematics is also a language. Do study what Language actually means. Your concepts are flimsy.
 

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Language is the obvious choice. Lack of communication breeds war not lack of "maths". More "maths" and less communication has led to catastrophes in the past. The better we are at communication the safer our use "maths" becomes. I suggest to anyone reading this to look up Sam Harris vs Jordan Peterson: What Is True. It's 2 hours long but well worth it and they basically debate something similar to this question. Very interesting.
 
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Do I need to remind you how important maths is?

> Cars = maths created that

> Houses

> Roads

> Electricity

> Your clothes

> Technology: cellphones, computers etc.

> Facebook; which Mark Zuckerburg didn't require English to create

> This forum

> The fact you can press buttons on your computer/appear and they subsequently appear here wasn't rocket science

Never said it's not important.

You did not answer my question. How would you communicate math without a language?

Math in its written form, in the way you share the knowledge of mathematics, in the way you attribute symbols to numbers, is a language.

Communicating with people requires a language.

You would not be able to understand or learn math without a language.

Your entire list required a language to create.
 
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