[Discussion] Which charactor do you feel is the most overhyped in the One Piece verse????

[Bogard]

Oh and there is also Moria who thought about being pirate king while using similar methods

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[Punk Hazard]

So far, hes shown to be the strongest of his crew... no need for brainwashing.


Those people who he had from the prison, weren't yet part of his "crew". They were simply following him.

And became his crew. Like I said in an earlier post, if your subordinates are sufficient in strength, they can do all the fighting for you. Buggy doesn't need to lift a finger if his subordinates do all the fighting for him.

Lol like Roger sneakily travelled the seas.

Is it possible to obtain it like youre saying? Who knows.

Does the definition of PK mean the strongest? No

But Roger has been implied to be....and hes the only man who's done it. So we use him as an example like Chinjao clearly does.

Holy shit, did I say that's the ONLY way? Did I say that's how Roger did it?

Defeating them is NOT the only possible way to achieving the status of Pirate King, it's just the most prominent and in no way 100% unavoidable.

Roger did it one way. The very fact that finding One Piece will make this era's Pirate King, but being the first crew to travel around the world made the previous era's Pirate King is proof enough that you don't have to do what Roger did because the standard isn't what Roger did. So just because Roger did this to become Pirate King, doesn't mean someone today has to do it as well.

 

[KingHashirama]

And became his crew. Like I said in an earlier post, if your subordinates are sufficient in strength, they can do all the fighting for you. Buggy doesn't need to lift a finger if his subordinates do all the fighting for him.

After the war, and then we don't know how strong Buggy is now.

Good luck to buggy trying to find a subordinate that can take on kaido. Which won't happen. Hence can't be the PK.


While people like buggy can be sneaky and grow fleets.. people who are OP themselves, will have bigger fleets. Need example? Whitebeard.


The Yonko, are emperors because of how strong they are, which then leads to influences and having strong subordinates.

 

[Punk Hazard]

After the war, and then we don't know how strong Buggy is now.

Good luck to buggy trying to find a subordinate that can take on kaido. Which won't happen. Hence can't be the PK.


While people like buggy can be sneaky and grow fleets.. people who are OP themselves, will have bigger fleets. Need example? Whitebeard.


The Yonko, are emperors because of how strong they are, which then leads to influences and having strong subordinates.

Anyone one subordinate? No, Buggy can't find a subordinate to take on Kaido. But with an armada of enough people, they can fight and stall Kaido. Kaido has been defeated in the past, it's fully possible for Buggy to form an armada consisting of enough people to defeat Kaido through sheer force of number.

Besides, we don't even know that Kaido wants to become PK or cares if anyone does. This whole "Can it stop Kaido" thing is way too far an assumption.

And? Becoming PK is also a race. While all the strong people are flexing muscles and taking each other on, someone can use that stall to sneak ahead bit by bit. Like I said in another earlier post, battling others is the most prominent, but it's not the only way. A longshot is still a shot.

Who gives a shit? How does that matter to my post that being the strongest is not the only criteria to being PK, nor is it the most important?

 

[ToshiZO]

Oh and there is also Moria who thought about being pirate king while using similar methods

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notice how all these people you keep linking are losers LOL. Not trying to take anything away from you, but at the end of the day anyone can say anything but without actually proving they're capable its all meaningless talk.

Holy shit, did I say that's the ONLY way? Did I say that's how Roger did it?

So far its the only way. There's only been 1 PK after all. We can theorize how one becomes PK all we want but the only guy we have to use as an example is Roger.

 

[Punk Hazard]

notice how all these people you keep linking are losers LOL. Not trying to take anything away from you, but at the end of the day anyone can say anything but without actually proving they're capable its all meaningless talk.



So far its the only way. There's only been 1 PK after all. We can theorize how one becomes PK all we want but the only guy we have to use as an example is Roger.

They lost because it's a longshot. Not because it's impossible.

That doesn't work out logically. The only Pirate King was Roger, and he became Pirate King because he was the captain that led the crew that was first to make it all the way around the world. Today, the Pirate King is the man who will find One Piece, a completely different task. That enough shows that the Pirate King standard today is different from that of the previous era, so it is more farfetched and illogical to say that today's Pirate King will be just like Roger. Taking in the importance of the link between the adventure and becoming Pirate King(Luffy proclaiming he'd give up his dream if the adventure was boring and Law saving an enemy to the throne because without him, things would be less interesting. Both being D's also makes this significant), it makes much more sense that with each era, a different adventure would have to be completed to become Pirate King. After all, who wants to go on Luffy's adventure that was Roger's adventure? They all would want their own.

Whitebeard tied with Roger, meaning their power was on the same level. If power determined Pirate King, then Whitebeard would have had to have died before Roger became Pirate King, and vice versa. Whitebeard was the most powerful man alive, and he wasn't given the title of Pirate King. Kaido is currently the strongest, and he wasn't given the title of PK, both further indication that power doesn't play as big as a role as you are making it to be because two men who hold the title of most powerful haven't gotten the title of PK.

 

[ToshiZO]

They lost because it's a longshot. Not because it's impossible.

That doesn't work out logically. The only Pirate King was Roger, and he became Pirate King because he was the captain that led the crew that was first to make it all the way around the world. Today, the Pirate King is the man who will find One Piece, a completely different task. That enough shows that the Pirate King standard today is different from that of the previous era, so it is more farfetched and illogical to say that today's Pirate King will be just like Roger.

Whitebeard tied with Roger, meaning their power was on the same level. If power determined Pirate King, then Whitebeard would have had to have died before Roger became Pirate King, and vice versa. Whitebeard was the most powerful man alive, and he wasn't given the title of Pirate King. Kaido is currently the strongest, and he wasn't given the title of PK, both further indication that power doesn't play as big as a role as you are making it to be because two men who hold the title of most powerful haven't gotten the title of PK.

lol the fact that WB couldn't beat Roger does mean power means a lot.

I dont think the next PK has to be like Roger at all actually. Im just saying the absolute minimum required is you are Admiral level. You're making it sound like Buggy can be PK if he wants.

Heres my criteria:

-Admiral level strength
-Determination beyond any other
-Yonkou level crew.
-luck

You match these 4 things you should be good to compete. Miss any of these 4, and forget about it.

According to you the first criteria doesn't have to be met. Which I completely disagree with. If you're Admiral level strength you are already tied for the strongest character in the series. Its basically a deadlock up there.

Also since when was WB strongest man alive when Roger was around? Not to mention he didnt give a rats ass about it, he would be the front runner after Rogers Death if he gave a shit.

 

[Punk Hazard]

lol the fact that WB couldn't beat Roger does mean power means a lot.

I dont think the next PK has to be like Roger at all actually. Im just saying the absolute minimum required is you are Admiral level. You're making it sound like Buggy can be PK if he wants.

Heres my criteria:

-Admiral level strength
-Determination beyond any other
-Yonkou level crew.
-luck

You match these 4 things you should be good to compete. Miss any of these 4, and forget about it.

According to you the first criteria doesn't have to be met. Which I completely disagree with. If you're Admiral level strength you are already tied for the strongest character in the series. Its basically a deadlock up there.

No, it doesn't. Roger became Pirate King by being the first person to travel around the world. He didn't accomplish that by beating WB. Also, WB and Roger tied, meaning WB couldn't beat Roger and Roger couldn't beat WB.

Yes. Buggy could.

The problem here is that you fail to realize that of those criteria, crew is the most important one. Take out all of those other things(excluding luck, that's a given) except for crew, and you can become Pirate King. You don't need Admiral level strength with a powerful enough crew because they can do all of the fighting for you. Someone like Buggy can get people to see him like a god or savior, which he has, and get them to do the fighting for him. The fact remains that you have 0% chance of becoming PK without a powerful and sufficient crew. Without Admiral level strength or determination, your chances drop significantly, but it's still above 0%.

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

No, it doesn't. Roger became Pirate King by being the first person to travel around the world. He didn't accomplish that by beating WB. Also, WB and Roger tied, meaning WB couldn't beat Roger and Roger couldn't beat WB.

Yes. Buggy could.

The problem here is that you fail to realize that of those criteria, crew is the most important one. Take out all of those other things(excluding luck, that's a given) except for crew, and you can become Pirate King. You don't need Admiral level strength with a powerful enough crew because they can do all of the fighting for you. Someone like Buggy can get people to see him like a god or savior, which he has, and get them to do the fighting for him. The fact remains that you have 0% chance of becoming PK without a powerful and sufficient crew. Without Admiral level strength or determination, your chances drop significantly, but it's still above 0%.

Whatever theory you use, I still believe in manga fact, and Chinjao make it as clear as day and night.

 

[A v i]

Whatever theory you use, I still believe in manga fact, and Chinjao make it as clear as day and night.

Manga facts says that Luffy couldn't even survive without a crew let alone being PK.

It actually, depends on the context.@Bold, an assumption that has no backing in the manga. 1. "A captain needs a crew to be PK"... yes he does. How does he get the crew, while being shit himself. Luffy /Buggy/WB/Roger/Barto/Law/Kidd all have their crew because they themselves are powerful.

I fail to see why this point is even relevant. On a contrary to what you said the said captain choose them as his followers because he couldn't do shit on his own. You need a strong crew to be PK regardless of how strong you are. Of course he's the main player in the crew which means that his role is more important than any individual crew member(depends on context) however the crew as a whole is just as important or even out weights the captain.

2. How many times in one piece, has the end fight come down to luffy? Where if he loses everything ends? The only reason the series even made it past the second chapter is .. because of luffy being strong. Not because of luffy having a crew.

You talk as if any fight other than main fight is irrelevant. Not whole crew, just exclude Zoro and Sanji and see if Luffy can make out of any major arc in the series then we can talk.

A captain's strength > A crew.

Captain's strength is what will get him the crew. A weak captain will never become the pirate king. A strong captain is needed to survive. As long as the captain is strong, he will be capable of finding strong crewmates.

Luffy and Roger are the only people that are born to be PK. Both of them has crews that can out weight captain in strength. I am fairly certain about combo of Zoro and Sanji being much stronger than Luffy so your whole crews strength < Captains is totally wrong. Roger the man who explored whole GL has someone nearly as capable as him in his crew which again makes your claim wrong. A strong captain is indeed essential however strong captain is not everything it takes to stand at top.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Whatever theory you use, I still believe in manga fact, and Chinjao make it as clear as day and night.

Was it not the manga that showed that to become Pirate King today, you have to do something completely different from Roger? Was it not the manga that showed that two people who were given the title of most powerful never became Pirate King? Was it not the manga showing that even though Buggy was weak, the strength of his subordinates made up for it in his stead? Was it not the manga that showed that without a crew, you'd die in East Blue, the weakest sea in the entire world, much less make it to the New World?

What I've said aren't theories, they're from various sources and points in the manga, while you're grasping desperately to the opinion of one character who has no significant authority or say in the actual plot, not like Shanks, Mihawk, or Whitebeard do.

Oh speaking of Mihawk, another testament to my point: He asserted that the most dangerous ability on all the seas is the ability to sway people to be your allies. Oh, what a coincidence.

 

[Bogard]

notice how all these people you keep linking are losers LOL. Not trying to take anything away from you, but at the end of the day anyone can say anything but without actually proving they're capable its all meaningless talk.

Not the point. It was to say that it's possible, not that those "losers" could actually do it. Besides, yonkos are also losers from this era. They are no different than Buggy or Moria when it comes to the pirate king title

 

[A v i]

Not the point. It was to say that it's possible, not that those "losers" could actually do it. Besides, yonkos are also losers from this era. They are no different than Buggy or Moria when it comes to the pirate king title

If anything Mihawk is the true boss of OP. I just realized that travelling these seas without a crew alone is quite a feat. :yeah:

 

[WoldOfFingo]

Not the point. It was to say that it's possible, not that those "losers" could actually do it. Besides, yonkos are also losers from this era. They are no different than Buggy or Moria when it comes to the pirate king title

How can u be a loser if u aren't competing in the competition?

 

[Bogard]

How can u be a loser if u aren't competing in the competition?

They are in competition, it's just that they couldn't claim that title because Whitebeard was code-blocking all of them. Now that he died, there is no ruler in these seas anymore and their entire role in only to maintain peace with the balance of power while never having the possibility to become king, but instead getting overshadowed by the worse generation who are destinated to take them one by one and claim the title for them. That's why they are losers because despite all these years conquering multiple territories, they never managed to rule the seas like Roger did or like Whitebeard was doing with their entire goal being overshadowed by the previous generation and whose entire purpose is only to be surpassed by the new generation.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

They are in competition, it's just that they couldn't claim that title because Whitebeard was code-blocking all of them. Now that he died, there is no ruler in these seas anymore and their entire role in only to maintain peace with the balance of power while never having the possibility to become king, but instead getting overshadowed by the worse generation who are destinated to take them one by one and claim the title for them. That's why they are losers because despite all these years conquering multiple territories, they never managed to rule the seas like Roger did or like Whitebeard was doing with their entire goal being overshadowed by the previous generation and whose entire purpose is only to be surpassed by the new generation.

That's not what I meant
The only Yonko who is searching for one Piece is BB.
Shanks doesn't care for it and just goes from Island to Island to party.
Kaido wants to kill himself and Big Mom seemingly only cares for candy.
Your statement of them being losers is just invalid.

 

[ToshiZO]

Not the point. It was to say that it's possible, not that those "losers" could actually do it. Besides, yonkos are also losers from this era. They are no different than Buggy or Moria when it comes to the pirate king title

lol except they aren't even close to obtaining the title of PK, lol Yonkou underlings have more chances than these guys.

And Yonkou are fairly close to that PK title only issue is they're in a deadlock, besides we don't even know if they even want that title or which one of them do? How can they be losers for something they don't care about?

Was WB a loser as well? He kinda was but its not like he didn't meet the requirements for obtaining that title.

 

[A v i]

lol except they aren't even close to obtaining the title of PK, lol Yonkou underlings have more chances than these guys.

And Yonkou are fairly close to that PK title only issue is they're in a deadlock, besides we don't even know if they even want that title or which one of them do? How can they be losers for something they don't care about?

Was WB a loser as well? He kinda was but its not like he didn't meet the requirements for obtaining that title.

If they doesn't even care about it, what's the point of exceeding/defeating Yonko in order to gain the title PK?

 

[ToshiZO]

If they doesn't even care about it, what's the point of exceeding/defeating Yonko in order to gain the title PK?

Because they are in the way. Look at WB, did he care about being the PK? No yet he was in the way as well. Same thing. We can't jump to conclusions on what the Yonkou want. I'm sure they all have their own motives in one way or another.

The problem here is that you fail to realize that of those criteria, crew is the most important one. Take out all of those other things(excluding luck, that's a given) except for crew, and you can become Pirate King. You don't need Admiral level strength with a powerful enough crew because they can do all of the fighting for you. Someone like Buggy can get people to see him like a god or savior, which he has, and get them to do the fighting for him. The fact remains that you have 0% chance of becoming PK without a powerful and sufficient crew. Without Admiral level strength or determination, your chances drop significantly, but it's still above 0%.

lol thats like me saying I dont need to practice medicine to get a Doctrate. If I'm rich and there is corruption involved I can pay people for my degree...sure you can cheat your way through. That can be applied to to almost anything, but is it happening in this case? Hell no, unless a Yonkou Captain level character is fine with Buggy being above him, there is no way Buggy becomes PK, because no matter how strong Buggy's crew is, you're only as strong as your strongest crewmate. Its all put to a halt when they encounter the real bigshots.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Because they are in the way. Look at WB, did he care about being the PK? No yet he was in the way as well. Same thing. We can't jump to conclusions on what the Yonkou want. I'm sure they all have their own motives in one way or another.


lol thats like me saying I dont need to practice medicine to get a Doctrate. If I'm rich and there is corruption involved I can pay people for my degree...sure you can cheat your way through. That can be applied to to almost anything, but is it happening in this case? Hell no, unless a Yonkou Captain level character is fine with Buggy being above him, there is no way Buggy becomes PK, because no matter how strong Buggy's crew is, you're only as strong as your strongest crewmate. Its all put to a halt when they encounter the real bigshots.

No it's not the same thing. At all. That analogy makes no sense.

Why does one person need to be Yonko level? I said it before, Buggy doesn't need any one person to be on the level of a Yonko. Anyone with enough charisma and influence can simply gather a large enough fleet and number of subordinates to match or succeed a Yonko's influence and strength through sheer strength of numbers.

That part about you're only as strong as your strongest crewmate? Two major flaws on that point.
1. Is that why the strongest member of the Strawhats couldn't beat a Pacifista on his own but the entire crew combining their power could?

2. When did I say Buggy was the strongest between him and his subordinates? He clearly is not, seeing as Buggy wasn't even worth the same level in the prison as they were, and Whitebeard himself dismissed Buggy but said the ones following him would be a pain in the ass to deal with.