[Discussion] Where does base Naruto stack up for you?

Rokudaime Hokage Naruto

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I think he's stronger than say Tsunade without Byakagou, because even in base mode Naruto's speed is pretty good and in base mode he was able to match Deva Path's taijutsu. But he's got nothing on EMS Sasuke. Base Naruto probably the strongest person in Konoha right now.

I see him being placed 10-15 in Narutoverse.

Behind quite a few people.

Oh and do you think he will get a non-kyuubi based power up in the future?
 

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Base Naruto is certainly strong but I think Jiraiya is more powerful. Naruto's SM is better than Jiraiya's, but SM Jiraiya is more powerful than Naruto. Pain admitted that if Jiraiya knew his secret, he would have lost.
 

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He already has SM
Maybe, Rikudo Sennin Mode lol
 

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you can't compare base naruto to ems sasuke......cuz techinally thats not sasuke own sharingan either..

but u can compare him to ms sasuke and they'll still be a match due to naruto sm techs
 

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Base Naruto is certainly strong but I think Jiraiya is more powerful. Naruto's SM is better than Jiraiya's, but SM Jiraiya is more powerful than Naruto. Pain admitted that if Jiraiya knew his secret, he would have lost.
naruto sage mode stronger than jiraya
 

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I consider SM as his Base tech...
So, Naruto definitely makes up to top 15... and 3rd tier(If Hashi is 1st tier & Minato 2nd tier....)
 

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Deva Path kicked his ass in the Taijutsu battle, Don't know where id rate him though but 3T Kakashi and Jiraiya could take him IMO

Aside from Minato giving him that chakra I don't see him getting anything else
 

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Deva Path kicked his ass in the Taijutsu battle, Don't know where id rate him though but 3T Kakashi and Jiraiya could take him IMO

Aside from Minato giving him that chakra I don't see him getting anything else

Naruto actually kept up with Deva Path in a Taijutsu battle...

But people keep on bringing up this feat like it has some amazing credibility. It's not like Deva Path was a "Taijutsu" user to begin with. If Naruto was able to keep up with Gai or Lee that'd be more incredible.
 
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He would be at about 10-15 in A LEGIT list (If You mean without Kurama). With Kurama,5-10.
 

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I think he's stronger than say Tsunade without Byakagou, because even in base mode Naruto's speed is pretty good and in base mode he was able to match Deva Path's taijutsu. But he's got nothing on EMS Sasuke. Base Naruto probably the strongest person in Konoha right now.

I see him being placed 10-15 in Narutoverse.

Behind quite a few people.

Oh and do you think he will get a non-kyuubi based power up in the future?


Quite possibly the dumbest think I have read in awhile.Base Naruto isn't even top 30, yet alone 10-15.

Let's start with one lie, Base Naruto didn't match Deva Path in Taijutsu;Base Naruto lasted for less than a minute before going back into Sage Mode.Base Naruto can't break out of any genjutsu above B-Rank so anyone with B-Rank genjutsu or better can beat b base naruto.Base or Not, Naruto intelligence is lower than almost everyone in Konoha 11 and well below most jonin.Base Naruto has no long range or mid range jutsus, thus giving him a severe disadvangtage against anyone with those jutsu.Base Naruto isn't stronger than Tsunade, and taking away Byakagou is stupud, it's one of her jutsus.And even without, she would destroy Base Naruto.The thought that Base Naruto is stronger than Tsunade is mindnumbing dumb;Base Naruto isn't stronger than current Sakura,so how could he be stronger than Tsunade.

Now show me how can Base Naruto be top 15 when he's weaker than


A(Raikage)
Tsunade
Onoki
Mei
Gaara

Jonin

Kakashi
Darui
Torune
Hiashi Hyūga
Neji Hyuga
Kurenai Yūhi (Genjutsu)
Yugito Nii
Might Guy
C
Jūgo
Suigetsu
Killer Bee

Sages

Jiraiya
Kabuto
Orochimaru

Akatsuki

Deidara
Hidan
Kisame Hoshigaki
Kakuzu
Konan
Orochimaru
Nagato
Sasori
Itachi Uchiha
Obito Uchiha
Zetsu


Konoha 11
Rock Lee (Gates)
Sakura(Strength and Intelligence, Genjutsu)
Shino(Intelligence and Skill)
Choji(Strength)
Shikimaru (Intelligence)
Sasuke )Intelligence, speed, skills, everything)The start of part 2 prove this without MS

This thread is a joke...Naruto is a series of power-ups.You take that away and he's not much of a shinobi.


Past Kages

Tobirama
Hashirama
Minato
Hiruzen
Third Raikage
Muu
2nd Mizukage
Third Kazekage
 
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Quite possibly the dumbest think I have read in awhile.Base Naruto isn't even top 30, yet alone 10-15.

Let's start with one lie, Base Naruto didn't match Deva Path in Taijutsu;Base Naruto lasted for less than a minute before going back into Sage Mode.Base Naruto can't break out of any genjutsu above B-Rank so anyone with B-Rank genjutsu or better can beat b base naruto.Base or Not, Naruto intelligence is lower than almost everyone in Konoha 11 and well below most jonin.Base Naruto has no long range or mid range jutsus, thus giving him a severe disadvangtage against anyone with those jutsu.Base Naruto isn't stronger than Tsunade, and taking away Byakagou is stupud, it's one of her jutsus.And even without, she would destroy Base Naruto.The thought that Base Naruto is stronger than Tsunade is mindnumbing dumb;Base Naruto isn't stronger than current Sakura,so how could he be stronger than Tsunade.

Now show me how can Base Naruto be top 15 when he's weaker than


A(Raikage)
Tsunade
Onoki
Mei
Gaara

Jonin

Kakashi
Darui
Torune
Hiashi Hyūga
Neji Hyuga
Kurenai Yūhi (Genjutsu)
Yugito Nii
Might Guy
C
Jūgo
Suigetsu
Killer Bee

Sages

Jiraiya
Kabuto
Orochimaru

Akatsuki

Deidara
Hidan
Kisame Hoshigaki
Kakuzu
Konan
Orochimaru
Nagato
Sasori
Itachi Uchiha
Obito Uchiha
Zetsu


Konoha 11
Rock Lee (Gates)
Sakura(Strength and Intelligence, Genjutsu)
Shino(Intelligence and Skill)
Choji(Strength)
Shikimaru (Intelligence)
Sasuke )Intelligence, speed, skills, everything)The start of part 2 prove this without MS

This thread is a joke...Naruto is a series of power-ups.You take that away and he's not much of a shinobi.


Past Kages

Tobirama
Hashirama
Minato
Hiruzen
Third Raikage
Muu
2nd Mizukage
Third Kazekage

Your list there is ridiculous

Naruto is stronger than Kakashi - said so himself and since then Naruto's base form has improved. The only people his base form couldn't take in Akatsuki are Nagato, Itachi, Obito, and Orochimaru(with arms). As for the Kages, Naruto is stronger than Mei and Gaara. Jonin can just be ignored there...

As for B level genjutsu? The only genjutsu who he failed to break was Itachi's and Itachi is a genjutsu master. Also Naruto has improved immensely since then.

That leaves 18 people from your list.

Let me just say, the way things seem to go with the Manga in Naruto, when Naruto gets a powerup from training etc, it seems his whole base form gets stronger. I.e learning sage mode, and he was able to stop Sasuke killing Sakura without using sage mode. Also he matched Sasukes chidori. When he learned rasenshuriken, he got stronger to the point Kakashi would let him take the lead in missions.

We don't know what Naruto's current base is like atm. But I admit he is still quiet weak without the Kyuubi/sage mode. He needs a non kyuubi powerup soon. Something we've never seen before.
 

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Your list there is ridiculous

Naruto is stronger than Kakashi - said so himself and since then Naruto's base form has improved. The only people his base form couldn't take in Akatsuki are Nagato, Itachi, Obito, and Orochimaru(with arms). As for the Kages, Naruto is stronger than Mei and Gaara. Jonin can just be ignored there...

As for B level genjutsu? The only genjutsu who he failed to break was Itachi's and Itachi is a genjutsu master. Also Naruto has improved immensely since then.

That leaves 18 people from your list.

Let me just say, the way things seem to go with the Manga in Naruto, when Naruto gets a powerup from training etc, it seems his whole base form gets stronger. I.e learning sage mode, and he was able to stop Sasuke killing Sakura without using sage mode. Also he matched Sasukes chidori. When he learned rasenshuriken, he got stronger to the point Kakashi would let him take the lead in missions.

We don't know what Naruto's current base is like atm. But I admit he is still quiet weak without the Kyuubi/sage mode. He needs a non kyuubi powerup soon. Something we've never seen before.

Yeah, I'm done.Unless you are including Sage Mode as Naruto base, you are either a fanboy or stupid to the extreme.Naruto can't beat anyone in the Akatsuki, can't beat Mei or Gaara and he can't beat Kakashi.

How could naruto beat Sasori and his 1000 puppets, along with the poison attacks and third Kazekage puppet.Naruto isn't intelligence nor is he evasive like Sakura to figure out Sasori attack pattern and dodge Sasori attack.Furthermore, what feats of strength Naruto has shown in base that leads you to believe he can destroy Sasori's Hiruko.

Diedara isn't even a question.Naruto couldn't even reach Diedara on his Clay Bird and he has no defense against any of Diedara explosive.Diedara himself said Naruto was nothing and he would have caught him if it wasn't for Kakashi being there.

Kisame - I don't even have to explain.Water Prison Shark Dance Technique the fight is over.Water Release: Great Shark Bullet Technique the fight is over

I'm not going to go through the rest of the Akatsuki, but all the results would be the same.


Mei would murder Base Naruto.He couldn't get near Mei with all her long range ninjutsu, something Naruto doesn't have.
The same with Gaara.As for Kakashi, him thinking Naruto surpasses him and Naruto actually surprassing him is two different things.Kakashi, like Mei has has long range ninjutsu which naruto can't handle.Naruto has no defense against Kamui and no defense against Kakashi genjutsu.Also, to clear up one lie, Naruto has never broken out of any genjutsu in the entire series.Every genjutsu that has been used on Naruto, Naruto was caught by it.He has shown no defense whatsoever against genjutsu.So saying Itachi is a genjutsu master like that suppose to means something when it comes capturing naruto in genjutsu is a joke.Unless you have proof otherwise, Naruto can be beaten by any genjutsu users.


Your explanation of Naruto getting stronger is stupid.What jutsus has Naruto learn in base since acquiring SM and KM mode?What skills has he shown that is so impressive that we need to take note.All in all, even as he's learn Sage Mode, KM, and so on, naruto's basic shinobi skills have stay the same;Close range fighter with no mid to long range ninjutsu, mediocre battle smarts, and no defensive abilities.


Like I said, Naruto is a series of power ups.And unless you can counter my list with actual facts and not your opinion, my list stands correct, jonins and all.
 
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Kakashi stated several times that Naruto (base) was as strong as himself. Kakashi is a hokage canadite himself. Naruto's taijutsu is very strong he could probably keep up against Lee (not win keep up). Naruto's speed is very impressive to save Sakura from a point blank strike from Sasuke. Again even Kakashi complimented Naruto on his speed being on his level. Naruto has the largest chakra pool in the village without Kurama. What makes Naruto so deadly is he can use deception really well. Naruto can trick even the smartest and oldest fighters. He tricked kakuzu into getting hit with the frs after already showing it to him. He tricked pain countless times through out that whole fight, even tricked the Raikage multiple times.

In a list I'd say Naruto base is probably up there with Tsunade. Tsunade is powerful but her attacks are straight forward. Anyone knows not to come within striking distance with Tsunade.
 

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After this war base Naruto will become much stronger in a fast amount of time IF he carries on with his clone training, I had a conversation the other day with someone on here about where would Naruto be now if he discovered the clone training strategy when he was much younger, He could learn powerful Jutsu's so much quicker with his clone learning training. So after the war if he carried this on this strategy, he seriously would be a lot more stronger in base mode than he is now in base mode.

Think about it, pretty much all his Jutsu's are one hit kill on your normal living shinobi, even if their very powerful, a direct hit with his Jutsu's will be a KO hit. So if he learned other powerful Jutsu's, not quite as powerful as his one now but better suited, like more long range ones, very fast ones & so on he would have quite a few under his arsenal.

Heck he could still do his day to day life activities & have 50 clones training somewhere else & gaining that knowledge when they poof away :) that be pretty cool. Ah the possibilities are endless with this clone training strategy. One thing he should learn on is his chakra control & manipulation control. So he gets so good at that, he could possibly one day do a Wind Shuriken tech with just one hand. :yeah:

 

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Hate to admit it but GodaimeRaikage is winning the argument here. Base Naruto is pretty weak compared to a lot of the characters in this series. Though he did technically beat base Gaara in part 1 without any power-ups...
 

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base Naruto before befriending kurama has had his charka diminised by ~75% due to having to subdue Kuramas chakra.

Kakashi tells Naruto during the clone training that Naruto would have about 4 times as much chakra if he didnt have to suppress Kuramas chakra. (thats 100 times as much as kakashi.)

He is in no way weak in the "base" mode you are referring to...
 

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Base Naruto? Far inferior to most jounin.

Do remember deva path was not trying to kill him, and besides that, the kyuubi went on a rampage wich also took its toll von him.
 
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