When you compare Naruto to Sasuke, Kurama SHOULD be excluded.

[Rock Lee 8 Gates]

EMS should be taken from Sasuke Also.

Sasuke took Itachi's Eye powers to Gain EMS, Just like naruto has taken 9tails power to gain Km/Bm.

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[dnx111]

Think of it like this, if on the day of Narutos birth tobi didnt take the nine tails to konoha then the forth would still be alive and would have trained naruto. he wouldnt been as bad at ninjustu when he was young mainly because he doesnt have the nine tails in him and the fourth would have trained him at a young age. so if this happened then naruto and saskue still would have been equal.

 

[Anorien16]

Think of it like this, if on the day of Narutos birth tobi didnt take the nine tails to konoha then the forth would still be alive and would have trained naruto. he wouldnt been as bad at ninjustu when he was young mainly because he doesnt have the nine tails in him and the fourth would have trained him at a young age. so if this happened then naruto and saskue still would have been equal.

Also note that none of the academy teachers liked naruto and taught him properly, and Iruka was only a rookie. Even kakashi was partial with Sasuke. It was only when Jirya began to teach him seriously in between the times of his research that Naruto began to improve. Also yes the foxes chakra prevents Naruto from using his own well, not to mention the fact that a lot of energy goes to keep the seal intact. Did u guys notice how easily other jinks, even adult ones went on a rampage? But naruto has been keeping up the Kurama's seal from birth! So how can one learn with disadvantages like that?

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[spatha]

MS ems is a uchiha blood line ability buddy. I thought I said that?

kurama is not an uzamaki ability. Didn't I say that? And sasuke awekened his MS after he learned the truth . It was never given to him.

but sasuke would never have acheived EMS without getting itachis eyes implanted into him...and yes he killed itachi to get the MS, however itachi was known to be nearly fatally ill, plus his dialogue upon death leads us to believe he was going maybe 90%...enough to kill sasuke if he wasnt strong enough, but still weak enough to allow sasuke the victory. Sasuke was given just about everything he currently has, except for chidori which he actually trained for. Naruto on the other hand, trained for everything he did. He trained (and nearly turned into a statue) to learn sage mode, trained for days just to find his wind affinity, and trained longer still when learning rasengan and FRS. So what if he had the 9tails? its not like he was able to release him like Bee did with 8tails, all he could do was take small amounts of his chakra to bolster his own, negligible considering sasukes mastery of fire style, near mastery of lightning style, and usage of blaze release too. You just sound like a hater dude.

 

[narutownsyouall]

This is simple.

Sasuke should not get EMS and Naruto still has SM which>MS And Sasuke would be blind so Naruto would and will always be on top.

 

[rollin]

it shouldn't be excluded because you have to have strong chakra to control the kyuubi

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[Pizcobaby]

lol this is so stupid... you say people should rely only on "their" abilities but Itachi gave sasuke ameratsu, susanoo, and ems. It doesn't matter if it is in their bloodline he got them through another means.

 

[EonForce42]

*Create a thread berating people for hating* *Hate in the thread you created*

 

[Anduril]

Yeah No Fair right?

 

[Luamek]

good point but stupid to say!!

 

[Ngylle]

Well that is our hero the most pathetic one.

For me Sennin Naruto was epic because naruto had to depend on his own with that kind op mode but Kyuby naruto and broken mode are a Joke..

Agreed with the OP, Naruto is to d dependably of kurama, the show should be called Naruto Kurama because all naruto does is thanx to kyuby.. as a hero naruto is pathetic.

Kurama is not Naruto real power, Uzumakies are not born with Bijus!
I still hope that Naruto loose kyuby so he will become a real man and shinobi.. not the retarded dependable hero that we have.

 

[DeViliShChild]

When comparing two people you have to take into account all their abilities and gifts.
Do you remember when Naruto and Sauske fought at the valley of the end? Naruto was using kyubii to just be barely beaten. So no it is not "unfair"

 

[Multiply]

Well that is our hero the most pathetic one.

For me Sennin Naruto was epic because naruto had to depend on his own with that kind op mode but Kyuby naruto and broken mode are a Joke..

Agreed with the OP, Naruto is to d dependably of kurama, the show should be called Naruto Kurama because all naruto does is thanx to kyuby.. as a hero naruto is pathetic.

Kurama is not Naruto real power, Uzumakies are not born with Bijus!
I still hope that Naruto loose kyuby so he will become a real man and shinobi.. not the retarded dependable hero that we have.

Lolwut, you're saying naruto depends on his bijuu. Have you seen sasuke and his sharingan. He blinded his MS in like a few weeks it took Itachi years for that. Sasuke has used Susano'o and Ameterasu in almost all of his fights since MS and EMS. I'm not saying naruto doesn't depend on kurama but he uses it as a last resort. In almost all of his fights he goes in regular comes out kurama because he's too weak to finish his opponent. Sasuke goes in sharingan a'blazin in almost all of his fights. Personally they both depend on their attributes way to much. :shrug:
If kurama is excluded from the fight, sasuke's sharingan is excluded IMO.

 

[JCWestside]

Let's say i agree with you, if you say Uchihas have the ability to unlock MS or EMS because its in their bloodline then Naruto should have the ability to control Kurama because he has great chakra reserves thus making him perfect for Kurama's host. But then take EMS away because you just have to implant it and take Kurama away, that leaves naruto with SM and sasuke with MS, who wins??? I say naruto because he took on Pain or Nagato's Paths almost equally, although he had some help but i cant see sasuke standing up to Pain like Naruto did. (dont hate i just told my opinion and im new to these kinds of forums)xd

 

[Multiply]

Let's say i agree with you, if you say Uchihas have the ability to unlock MS or EMS because its in their bloodline then Naruto should have the ability to control Kurama because he has great chakra reserves thus making him perfect for Kurama's host. But then take EMS away because you just have to implant it and take Kurama away, that leaves naruto with SM and sasuke with MS, who wins??? I say naruto because he took on Pain or Nagato's Paths almost equally, although he had some help but i cant see sasuke standing up to Pain like Naruto did. (dont hate i just told my opinion and im new to these kinds of forums)xd

This is true, Nagato vs Ms Sasuke would be like :flaw:

 

[The Eye]

saskue used powers that were not his to begin with.
must i bring back the "Dr. Snakes" Thing.
EMS, which as i recall is itachi's power.


Naruto is an uzamaki
therefore his powers where filled with chakra reserved capable of maintaining a buju.

I remeber this being said during the first naruto. About what is apart of the ninja arsenal. I cant remember the exat words, but weapons are part of the ninja. just like powers. Like kiba and his dog. Still his weapon. Naruto and Kurama. Neji and Bakyuhga. Kakashi and sharigan etc .

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[Altaneen]

When comparing any 2 characters, it is not fair to take away any form of power they possess. When you do that, you are no longer comparing the two, but instead comparing 1 and a water downed version of the other.

If you feel the only way to compare two characters, per your example Naruto and Sasuke, is to gimp Naruto. Then it becomes obvious to everyone else, that you believe Naruto is stronger than Sasuke, you wouldn't handicap him if you thought Sasuke equaled him full strength.

 

[kevenc]

Does he have Kurama ? Yes or No.

Tell me now, why should we exclude.

 

[Multiply]

When comparing any 2 characters, it is not fair to take away any form of power they possess. When you do that, you are no longer comparing the two, but instead comparing 1 and a water downed version of the other.

If you feel the only way to compare two characters, per your example Naruto and Sasuke, is to gimp Naruto. Then it becomes obvious to everyone else, that you believe Naruto is stronger than Sasuke, you wouldn't handicap him if you yourself did not think Sasuke equaled him full strength.

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[Joki]

Is this a troll/retarded thread? Might as well just scrap rasengan, any katon jutsus, etc. since they weren't born with those either.

Oh yeah, and Kisame wouldn't be allowed to use Samehada since he wasn't born with it and it wasn't originally his weapon and it's not his own power.

Naruto can't use summons either. And neither can Sasuke.

Also, I concur with the post above mine