When You are Comparing Naruto to Sasuke For God's Sake Dont Use Kurama as Excuse

[Anorien16]

did you really think summoning fukusaku and shima is easy ?, look what jiraiya did when he's about to summon the 2 sage toad. he can't summon them, he need to gather the appropriate chakra 1st

Well naruto surpassed Jirya didnt he? PLUS it may be difficult but not impossible is it? Also jirya was kinda unprepared as he did say he was not expecting to use his sage mode.

 

[Amantius]

did you really think summoning fukusaku and shima is easy ?, look what jiraiya did when he's about to summon the 2 sage toad. he can't summon them right away, he need to gather the appropriate chakra 1st

Honestly bro if a fight like this was to go down, all the necessarily summons would be done before time. So the battle kinda go's in naruto favor, but still Naruto is not the type to gank sasuke, he would 1v1 him.

 

[Rafeal brown]

Firstly,Kirin can only be used if there is a storm u know? But naruto has a lot varity of rasengans in sage mode plus ma and pa can help being fused with him. PLUS THROWING rasensuriken in sage mode has no risks.
Secondly, Naruto has no chance of defeating MS sasuke with only SM, its nearly impossible.

I wasn't comparing sm naruto with sasuke... I was talking about "base sasuke vs base naruto" without ms or sm, km and bm... Sasuke can basically create storm cloud with his fire release you know.
Ppl just have to realize that kyuubi is a seperate being and he isn't really part of naruto, the sharingan in question is NATURAL just like naruto's natural huge amount of chakra which helped him mastered sm while the kyubi isn't natural... If you take sasuke's natural talents (sharingan) then you should take naruto's huge amount of chakra that's the logic... But if you take kyubi then you should take itachi's eyes.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Well naruto surpassed Jirya didnt he? PLUS it may be difficult but not impossible is it? Also jirya was kinda unprepared as he did say he was not expecting to use his sage mode.

that surpassing stuff got nothing to do with summoning fukusaku and shima,
even if j-man already know that he will use SM then j-man still need to gather some chakra 1st before summing fukusaku and shima, because that 2 toad is OP and stronger than any other toad that j-man can summon.

I wasn't comparing sm naruto with sasuke... I was talking about "base sasuke vs base naruto" without ms or sm, km and bm... Sasuke can basically create storm cloud with his fire release you know.
Ppl just have to realize that kyuubi is a seperate being and he isn't really part of naruto, the sharingan in question is NATURAL just like naruto's natural huge amount of chakra which helped him mastered sm while the kyubi isn't natural... If you take sasuke's natural talents (sharingan) then you should take naruto's huge amount of chakra that's the logic... But if you take kyubi then you should take itachi's eyes.

that's what I've been telling to the OP for this entire time

 

[Anorien16]

I wasn't comparing sm naruto with sasuke... I was talking about "base sasuke vs base naruto" without ms or sm, km and bm... Sasuke can basically create storm cloud with his fire release you know.
Ppl just have to realize that kyuubi is a seperate being and he isn't really part of naruto, the sharingan in question is NATURAL just like naruto's natural huge amount of chakra which helped him mastered sm while the kyubi isn't natural... If you take sasuke's natural talents (sharingan) then you should take naruto's huge amount of chakra that's the logic... But if you take kyubi then you should take itachi's eyes.

Well katon can be used to bring clouds but can u imagine the amount of fire one would need to bring clouds? Itachi's case was more of a plot no jutsu (plus amaterasu)
Well kurama may not be in naruto's dna, but one can say Kushina passed on her powers including kurama to naruto cant she? cos he is a jinkchuriki and jinkchuriki has a biju, just like sasuke is a uchiha and a uchiha has sharingan. And i totally agree with ur lines 'If you take sasuke's natural talents (sharingan) then you should take naruto's huge amount of chakra that's the logic... But if you take kyubi then you should take itachi's eyes' but can u make sasuke fanboys accept that? They complain kyubi is external, but wont accept sasuke's ems are not his own.

 

[Anorien16]

that surpassing stuff got nothing to do with summoning fukusaku and shima,
even if j-man already know that he will use SM then j-man still need to gather some chakra 1st before summing fukusaku and shima, because that 2 toad is OP and stronger than any other toad that j-man can summon.



that's what I've been telling to the OP for this entire time

Well i beg to differ with you logic my friend, surpassing means doing better which in turn means naruto will be better at summoning ma and pa than j-man.... plus he can also prepare beforehand like summon them beforehand or leave a clone somewhere safe gathering sage chakra, didnt sasuke bring a hell lot of shruikan sealed under his sleeve in his fight with sasuke? or didnt sasuke had segetsu carry a manda summoning scroll just in case? its called preparing beforhand.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Well i beg to differ with you logic my friend, surpassing means doing better which in turn means naruto will be better at summoning ma and pa than j-man.... plus he can also prepare beforehand like summon them beforehand or leave a clone some wheresafe gathering sage chakra, didnt sasuke bring a hell lot of shruikan sealed under his sleeve in his fight with sasuke? or didnt sasuke had segetsu carry a manda summoning scroll just in case? its called preparing beforhand.

he only surpass jiraiya in term of sage mode just you know, all around jiraiya is still better.

lets not get into that prepare before hand battle since we're talking about that, if you put it that way naruto will never lose,moreover most of shinobi battle is sudden and that's where they show their true potential in the battle field how they use the smallest opening to their advantage.

 

[Anorien16]

he only surpass jiraiya in term of sage mode just you know, all around jiraiya is still better.

lets not get into that prepare before hand battle since we're talking about that, if you put it that way naruto will never lose,moreover most of shinobi battle is sudden and that's where they show their true potential in the battle field how they use the smallest opening to their advantage.

This i can agree upon, but dont misunderstand me but i m not downplaying j-man he has hell lotta exp and his base mode and techs is much more all round but was not that perfect a sage, if j-man cld summon ma and pa in middle of a battle so can naruto (more easily as he can mould sage chakra better and can go sage mode nearly instantaneously, if not that he can hide behind a smoke bomb's smoke have a few seconds respite or get a clone to run away, gather sage chakra and disappear. All this considering naruto cant go to SM easily)

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

This i can agree upon, but dont misunderstand me but i m not downplaying j-man he has hell lotta exp and his base mode and techs is much more all round but was not that perfect a sage, if j-man cld summon ma and pa in middle of a battle so can naruto (more easily as he can mould sage chakra better and can go sage mode nearly instantaneously, if not that he can hide behind a smoke bomb's smoke have a few seconds respite)

the reason why j-man summon fukusaku and shima is to gather sage chakra for him, since in a battle its hard for j-man to gather sage chakra with all that animal chase after him, and he don't use sage chakra to summon fukusaku and shima he use normal chakra since when he do that he's all over the place running.

 

[Rand al'Thor]

Well i beg to differ with you logic my friend, surpassing means doing better which in turn means naruto will be better at summoning ma and pa than j-man.... plus he can also prepare beforehand like summon them beforehand or leave a clone somewhere safe gathering sage chakra, didnt sasuke bring a hell lot of shruikan sealed under his sleeve in his fight with sasuke? or didnt sasuke had segetsu carry a manda summoning scroll just in case? its called preparing beforhand.

seriously thats your logic...???..makes no sense whatsoever

 

[Anorien16]

the reason why j-man summon fukusaku and shima is to gather sage chakra for him, since in a battle its hard for j-man to gather sage chakra with all that animal chase after him, and he don't use sage chakra to summon fukusaku and shima he use normal chakra since when he do that he's all over the place running.

I was just working around the point. But the fact remains if j-man could do it so can naruto (with lesser difficulty), naruto too has a great deal of chakra.

 

[Anorien16]

seriously thats your logic...???..makes no sense whatsoever

Well when u surpass someone what difference does that make i ask? Make it clear to me pls.

Or havnt u been reading what we have been talking about.

 

[Rand al'Thor]

Well when u surpass someone what difference does that make i ask? Make it clear to me pls.

better at summoning..temme..jiraiya summons ma and pa wtv the stupid names were and naruto also suumons them..so what is better..??..both are able to summon..that is what i am saying...

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

I was just working around the point. But the fact remains if j-man could do it so can naruto (with lesser difficulty), naruto too has a great deal of chakra.

j-man normal chakra control is still better than naruto, as shown by j-man various ninjutsu technique

 

[Anorien16]

better at summoning..temme..jiraiya summons ma and pa wtv the stupid names were and naruto also suumons them..so what is better..??..both are able to summon..that is what i am saying...

Well my friend in the upper post is saying naruto cant or will be unable to summon or have high difficulty summoning ma and pa in fight, i was just trying to convince him of the fact u r already so convinced of...... well if u ask what is better, it is naruto who is a better sage and so will have less difficulty with sage arts.

 

[Anorien16]

j-man normal chakra control is still better than naruto, as shown by j-man various ninjutsu technique

That is obvious...... but Summoning does not take great chakra control like healing (even if it did require great chakra control naruto learnt summoning jutsu long ago, which wld prove he has great chakra control), it takes a pact, lil blood and a certain amount of chakra.......

 

[Rafeal brown]

Well katon can be used to bring clouds but can u imagine the amount of fire one would need to bring clouds? Itachi's case was more of a plot no jutsu (plus amaterasu)
Well kurama may not be in naruto's dna, but one can say Kushina passed on her powers including kurama to naruto cant she? cos he is a jinkchuriki and jinkchuriki has a biju, just like sasuke is a uchiha and a uchiha has sharingan. And i totally agree with ur lines 'If you take sasuke's natural talents (sharingan) then you should take naruto's huge amount of chakra that's the logic... But if you take kyubi then you should take itachi's eyes' but can u make sasuke fanboys accept that? They complain kyubi is external, but wont accept sasuke's ems are not his own.

well if that's the case we could say naruto inherited the kyubi from his mother and sasuke inherited itachi's eyes... Right?
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i think sasuke tried to use kirin there before oro stopped him... Had sasuke used it naruto would be dead, not to mention there's still genjutsus for naruto to deal with, that's why i think base sasuke would possibly win against base naruto.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

That is obvious...... but Summoning does not take great chakra control like healing (even if it did require great chakra control naruto learnt summoning jutsu long ago, which wld prove he has great chakra control), it takes a pact, lil blood and a certain amount of chakra.......

and jiraiya is better on that department, because he use it more than naruto,
naruto only better at gathering senjutsu chakra only because plot no jutsu, since j-man take years to master that while naruto did that only in a few weeks or days

 

[Anorien16]

well if that's the case we could say naruto inherited the kyubi from his mother and sasuke inherited itachi's eyes... Right?
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i think sasuke tried to use kirin there before oro stopped him... Had sasuke used it naruto would be dead, not to mention there's still genjutsus for naruto to deal with, that's why i think base sasuke would possibly win against base naruto.

First part agree totally. Make others agree too.....
Well it was a clear sky then and as we know u cant cast kirin without stormclouds and sasuke cant summon stormclouds, it takes hell lotta heat. So no i dont think its kirin. Now for genjutsu, if ma and pa is fused with him they can inject their chakra and release the genjutsu. Plus were we not talking about a base sasuke WITHOUT SHARINGAN? sasuke is not that good at without sharingan.

 

[Drakengard]

Both Sasuke and Naruto went through loads of their own internal/mental pain to reach where they are today. Pain has been known to increase a ninja's power in this series (mental stress anyways) and whether or not they switch their morals because of it is a question of their character and the companions they are with. The other end of the spectrum is true friendship and love, which is the same result but only in the hands of certain people. Naruto has both: one from Kurama/Jiraiya's death and the other through his friends like Iruka since the beginning.