When did Naruto go downhill?

[Avani]

Kishi just wanted IT more threatening.

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That and he realized that the curse of hatred bullshit was a plot hole.

Didn't last time you tell me that he wanted to continue the story with Sasuke's journey being about finding out more about Kaguya which he later dropped. :| Or maybe it was someone else.. Either way seeing Sage's brother and Kaguya really mean little in the plot and only seem to have hogged the space for Naruto and Sasuke's final fight if it was a silly idea.

The same chapters could be used for gradually getting the team 7 in sink in better way and fight the BZ together. He was doing just fine till he started going on and on about his mommy.

But how is the Curse of hatred a "plot hole"?

Wait.. I forgot .. You had claimed "Uzumaki clan was a plot hole.."...

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Didn't last time you tell me that he wanted to continue the story with Sasuke's journey being about finding out more about Kaguya which he later dropped. :| Or maybe it was someone else.. Either way seeing Sage's brother and Kaguya really mean little in the plot and only seem to have hogged the space for Naruto and Sasuke's final fight if it was a silly idea.

The same chapters could be used for gradually getting the team 7 in sink in better way and fight the BZ together. He was doing just fine till he started going on and on about his mommy.

But how is the Curse of hatred a "plot hole"?

It's not like I'm exactly happy with how this whole Shippudin saga is handled. I don't find it all bad since I enjoyed many moments in between but it was poorly planned and Sasuke and Sakura both could handle better panels and dialogues. Making them look less of a jerk or stupid. And I can make a list of hits and misses some day if I have enough time to patience.

But you use the word plothole too randomly. A not so well written plot is not exactly a plot hole. That bit has been planned for far too long.

No, Kishi said that was what Sasuke was doing in his mind, but he had no plans on telling that story. He basically said he doesn't know what Kaguya needed an army for and that it was an extremely recent idea.

It is a plot hole. Apparently there was this "dark chakra" in the brain of the Uchiha that is released in the eyes to awaken the MS. Yet Obito's other eye which Kakashi had turned into a MS. Did the dark chakra magically jump into Kakashi's brain? Kishi later on retcons this by saying they were never cursed.

 

[Avani]

No, Kishi said that was what Sasuke was doing in his mind, but he had no plans on telling that story. He basically said he doesn't know what Kaguya needed an army for and that it was an extremely recent idea.

You said no but basically just rephrased and confirmed that part of my post you know.

It is a plot hole. Apparently there was this "dark chakra" in the brain of the Uchiha that is released in the eyes to awaken the MS. Yet Obito's other eye which Kakashi had turned into a MS. Did the dark chakra magically jump into Kakashi's brain? Kishi later on retcons this by saying they were never cursed.

The curse of hatred refers to the feud between brothers Indra and Asura which you called a plot hole. I asked why? And you avoided a detailed reply as to why. Explain that first then we would discuss kakashi's ms.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

You said no but basically just rephrased and confirmed that part of my post you know.

I meant "no" as in he didn't want to continue the story. He never had a plan to begin with.

The curse of hatred refers to the feud between brothers Indra and Asura which you called a plot hole. I asked why? And you avoided a detailed reply as to why. Explain that first then we would discuss kakashi's ms.

I meant what Tobirama told to Sasuke about the Uchiha being a cursed clan with that brain chakra.

 

[Avani]

I meant "no" as in he didn't want to continue the story. He never had a plan to begin with.



I meant what Tobirama told to Sasuke about the Uchiha being a cursed clan with that brain chakra.

But that's not curse of hatred.. anyway..

Yeah-you are using real life science lol- apparently the eye transplants and passing of eye techs doesn't work in the same way in Narutoverse as in real life and they remain connected by chakra traces. Their gain EMs by transplanting the eyes of another person after all. It's the way the verse works.

Like you can walk up the stairs made in the air without any support in the ground, while making them at the same time using the tools, franki carries in his brief briefs... That's how OP verse works.

You won't get much fun if you ask too many questions on the science of it in a fantasy.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

But that's not curse of hatred.. anyway..

Yeah-you are using real life science lol- apparently the eye transplants and passing of eye techs doesn't work in the same way in Narutoverse as in real life and they remain connected by chakra traces. Their gain EMs by transplanting the eyes of another person after all. It's the way the verse works.

Like you can walk up the stairs made in the air without any support in the ground, while making them at the same time using the tools, franki carries in his brief briefs... That's how OP verse works.

You won't get much fun if you ask too many questions on the science of it in a fantasy.

It's not hard science just common sense. If it's something that the Uchiha brain awakens then Kakashi's Sharingan should not have became a MS.

And I never said that the Uzumaki clan was a plot hole, but that them being a noble clan was an asspull.

 

[uchihamad]

1.When tobi turned out to be Obito

 

[Avani]

It's not hard science just common sense. If it's something that the Uchiha brain awakens then Kakashi's Sharingan should not have became a MS.

And I never said that the Uzumaki clan was a plot hole, but that them being a noble clan was an asspull.

And stair in the air being able to hold your weight is? The common sense you are applying is also of real world.

I can find the quote you know but ok. And it was said it was famous for it's sealing tech and destroyed for it. Only you find it asspull. Otherwise it fits well for Kushina's background or Minato learning from it. Konoha shinobies carried it's symbol on their back. It had to have some significance. If it fits I don't see the problem.

 

[Avani]

It's not hard science just common sense. If it's something that the Uchiha brain awakens then Kakashi's Sharingan should not have became a MS.

And I never said that the Uzumaki clan was a plot hole, but that them being a noble clan was an asspull.

And stair in the air being able to hold your weight is? The common sense you are applying is also of real world.

I can find the quote you know but ok. And it was said it was famous for it's sealing tech and destroyed for it. Only you find it asspull. Otherwise it fits well for Kushina's background or Minato learning from it. Konoha shinobies carried it's symbol on their back. It had to have some significance. If it fits I don't see the problem.

 

[The Sach]

When Kaguya was introduced in the story. Her character wasn't properly explained and then Sasuke and Naruto was wrapped in four chapters.

 

[Avani]

When Kaguya was introduced in the story. Her character wasn't properly explained and then Sasuke and Naruto was wrapped in four chapters.

He seriously should have continued with BZ alone. He was enough on his own and he could be the tree spirit which was trying to take control of everyone and enjoy soaking chakra at it's leisure or something like that..

If they were going to add a moon goddess for later use they could just make sage mention his mom and a brother and left it at that. We would more easily accepted his alien powers and they could still use it in future whether the movie or whatever. lol

I guess sometimes writers come up some ideas which seem cool at that point and only later they realize the mistakes by then it's too late if it's already printed.

 

[Membrae]

When the supposedly leader of the Akatsuki got defeated by a book

i crie evrtim :T_T:

 

[Avani]

When the supposedly leader of the Akatsuki got defeated by a book

i crie evrtim :T_T:

More like Naruto talked him to death. He is good at assisted suicide. Zabuza was just the first victim who killed himself after listening to him. That's why Sasuke insisted on fighting instead of talking. U_U He knew.

 

[The Sach]

He seriously should have continued with BZ alone. He was enough on his own and he could be the tree spirit which was trying to take control of everyone and enjoy soaking chakra at it's leisure or something like that..

If they were going to add a moon goddess for later use they could just make sage mention his mom and a brother and left it at that. We would more easily accepted his alien powers and they could still use it in future whether the movie or whatever. lol

I guess sometimes writers come up some ideas which seem cool at that point and only later they realize the mistakes by then it's too late if it's already printed.

I agree with everyone, except one thing, Black zetsu thing. I would rather prefer Madara has final villain or Oro coming up with something rather than BZ, BZ was actually kinda weak, the only reason he was able to take down Madara was because he backstabbed him. He wouldn't have been great villain, neither had some awesome personality or goal, rather than reviving his mother. Him being tree spirit wouldn't have been great idea anyways, because there were absolutely no foreshadowing, he was always shown as the 'will of Madara' and never shown to have any relation with God tree and stuff, apart from Kaguya relation.
I always thought that Kishi rushed the manga in the end.:yeah:

 

[Seventh Sama]

The war arc ended once the ten tails got revived. But yeah war arc and onward became crap.

 

[Avani]

I agree with everyone, except one thing, Black zetsu thing. I would rather prefer Madara has final villain or Oro coming up with something rather than BZ, BZ was actually kinda weak, the only reason he was able to take down Madara was because he backstabbed him. He wouldn't have been great villain, neither had some awesome personality or goal, rather than reviving his mother. Him being tree spirit wouldn't have been great idea anyways, because there were absolutely no foreshadowing, he was always shown as the 'will of Madara' and never shown to have any relation with God tree and stuff, apart from Kaguya relation.
I always thought that Kishi rushed the manga in the end.:yeah:

He won't be weak if he was the one to take over Madara just like he took over Tobi before.

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

Kishi just wanted IT more threatening.

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That and he realized that the curse of hatred bullshit was a plot hole.

Thanks for the info and the rep.

However i do still say one thing:

If that was the case, and Kishi had to create a character to make the IT a more threatening concept (whilst trying to find a way to defeat Madara), I still think Kishi could have come up with a more better character than Kaguya.

Although keeping the concept of the Otsutsuki Clan and White Zetsu army; Kishi could have still created a character who would have more than two lines to say and who wouldnt exist to simply float everywhere. Lool Especially since this would be the character to replace Madara as villain.