When Debating Minato and Tobirama....

[Mellanoma]

Remember Minato fanboys..

Tobirama isn't better than Minato due to only FTG.

Every thread I have seen regarding the two has been Tobirama isn't better due to Minato FTG > Tobirama FTG...

Tobirama is better due to his different abilities alone with his FTG.

Unlike Minato Tobirama only jutsu is not FTG

Tobirama also has:

High level Suiton jutsu

Senju stamina and chakra

Edo tensei summons(Rather fodder or not)

Flying thunder god technique

With these 4 very OP abilities there is nothing stopping Tobirama from S/t tagging his edo summons and using them to explode / teleport

He also can create an ocean of water and nullify FTG since minato Kunai will be useless as they wash away on flat surface.



Minato has:

Flying thunder god technique

Rasengan

 

[Penguin]

Tobirama used the Edo's as Kamikaze attacks, not for their strength. It doesn't matter if he had Madara or Ten Ten as an Edo, they would both be rather effective due to the way he uses them. He could also put seals on his Edos to make them like homing missiles.

 

[Invsblphntm]

Tobirama has Suiton worse than Mei Terumi.

Tobirama has Edo Tensei worse than Orochimaru.

Tobirama has Hiraishin worse than Minato.

Tobirama has Senju Stamina and chakra worse than Tsunade.

Stop overrating him until he gets decent feats you inept fool.

 

[Made in Heaven]

True, true U_U

 

[Fair Warning]

Stupid thread is stupid


Minato soloes Tobi and Kurama in five seconds he can handle Tobifodderama

 

[Penguin]

Tobirama has Suiton worse than Mei Terumi.

Tobirama has Edo Tensei worse than Orochimaru.

Tobirama has Hiraishin worse than Minato.

Tobirama has Senju Stamina and chakra worse than Tsunade.

Stop overrating him until he gets decent feats you inept fool.

1. Mei is a great Suiton user. We have seen a half powered Tobirama use B-ranked Suitons in part 1 which was impressive. How impressive does Hashirama look now compared to his part 1 self?

2. False. Tobirama uses his Edos in a different way than Orochimaru. Your point is invalid.

3. Again false. Minato's is more effective due to him putting it on Kunai. Instant = Instant.

4. False. We have not seen Tobirama's chakra levels yet. We know he fought against the Uchiha all the time and beat an MS user, so his stamina must be great.

One Word - Your an idiot.

 

[Touken]

Thing is, the only thing we can legitimately debate is their FTG and how they use them because Tobirama using FTG is his only feat as of now.

We just gotta wait a little while longer for more feats.

 

[Mellanoma]

Stupid thread is stupid


Minato soloes Tobi and Kurama in five seconds he can handle Tobifodderama

@bold Didn't he get killed by Kurama?

 

[Transcendence]

Shut up you pitiful Itachi fan boy.

 

[General Lex]

Quality not Quantity!

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Tobirama has Suiton worse than Mei Terumi.

Tobirama has Edo Tensei worse than Orochimaru.

Tobirama has Hiraishin worse than Minato.

Tobirama has Senju Stamina and chakra worse than Tsunade.

Stop overrating him until he gets decent feats you inept fool.

Not really, I'd suggest we wait untill we get to see more, no other Shinobi has ever created Water out of literally nothing, unlike Tobirama.

I'd agree on the Edo Tensei, we'd need to see what his Edos were first.

Not really relevant, plus you and I cannot be certain on that basis.

I agree with the final point; I suggest we all simmer down untill Tobirama gets more hype.

 

[Fair Warning]

Minato:
Flying thunder god V2
Food cart destroyer
Space Time Barrier
Rasengan
Rasen chou blah blah
Reaper death seal
Eight trigrams seal
Frog summon
Contract seal

 

[SAmIDeXtEr]

Your fanboyish attitude is obstructing you from seeing the truth...
Until tobirama shows more feat's, His comparison to minato is meaningless and uncertain :scorps:

 

[King-Panda]

we have seen a lot of minato, yet almost nothing from tobirama...

All I know is: Tobirama is a bad man

 

[Corgi]

You know man, whenever my jimmies get rustled, I watch this video

It really helps. I've prepared it for all Minato/Tobirama fans.

 

[Kurama2012]

@bold Didn't he get killed by Kurama?

no he sacrifised himself theres a difference

 

[Invsblphntm]

1. Mei is a great Suiton user. We have seen a half powered Tobirama use B-ranked Suitons in part 1 which was impressive. How impressive does Hashirama look now compared to his part 1 self?

2. False. Tobirama uses his Edos in a different way than Orochimaru. Your point is invalid.

3. Again false. Minato's is more effective due to him putting it on Kunai. Instant = Instant.

4. False. We have not seen Tobirama's chakra levels yet. We know he fought against the Uchiha all the time and beat an MS user, so his stamina must be great.

One Word - Your an idiot.

I'm talking in terms of feats. Not imaginary, unproven hype.

In terms of feats, Mei Terumi is a better Suiton user.

Orochimaru/Kabuto perfected the Edo Tensei, manga fact. Tobirama's is worse.

In terms of feats, Minato Namikaze is a better Hiraishin user. His use of Kunais and his ability to use a S/T Barrier puts him above Tobirama, more "effective" or not.

And again, in terms of feats, Tsunade has more chakra and stamina then Tobirama.

Its not that hard to understand; Tobirama is a weaker Shinobi then Minato Namikaze. While we're on the subject:

Minato Namikaze

Superior Hiraishin

Superior Intelligence

Superior Shunsin

Superior Speed

Rasengan

Toad Kuchiyose

S/T Barriers

Hiraishin Kunais

And again, we're talking feats and manga facts.

 

[Mellanoma]

no he sacrifised himself theres a difference

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He died... but he used repear death so Kushina could see Naruto again.

@Other post:

Edo tensei and FTG are by far the strongest jutsu in the show.... Tobirama uses both and his suicide bomb EDOs are truly OP as hell... No way Minato would win against him.

I'm talking in terms of feats. Not imaginary, unproven hype.

In terms of feats, Mei Terumi is a better Suiton user.

Orochimaru/Kabuto perfected the Edo Tensei, manga fact. Tobirama's is worse.

In terms of feats, Minato Namikaze is a better Hiraishin user. His use of Kunais and his ability to use a S/T Barrier puts him above Tobirama, more "effective" or not.

And again, in terms of feats, Tsunade has more chakra and stamina then Tobirama.

Its not that hard to understand; Tobirama is a weaker Shinobi then Minato Namikaze. While we're on the subject:

Minato Namikaze

Superior Hiraishin

Superior Intelligence

Superior Shunsin

Superior Speed

Rasengan

Toad Kuchiyose

S/T Barriers

Hiraishin Kunais

And again, we're talking feats and manga facts.

Suicide bomb EDO summon solos half your list... Suiton ocean solos the other half.....

Not counting tobirama using FTG

 

[Sygris]

so tobirama has shown that he can mark... and?
nothing has changed power wise. minato is still superior to tobirama. sure, tobirama is now above hiruzen, but he needs more feats if he wants to be above minato.

actually tobirama got weaker in a sense. his fans claimed that he could speedblitz with his ftg slash without markings, but since it is known now that he needs them, his speedblitz capabilities got reduced. no ftg slash gg anymore.

 

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He died... but he used repear death so Kushina could see Naruto again.

@Other post:

Edo tensei and FTG are by far the strongest jutsu in the show.... Tobirama uses both and his suicide bomb EDOs are truly OP as hell... No way Minato would win against him.

Oh my god you are an idiot. Minato and Kushina jumped nfront of Naruto to save him. Minato even seal away Kurama, beating him.