What's Up With People Taking "Kage-Level" Lightly? It's Overused.

[aimop95]

Tsunade: Can heal instantly and one shot a susan'oo into pudding.
Mei: Can spit lava and a mist with acidic properties, also intercepted black zetsu, who is arguably, the stronger of the two zetsu.

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

You forgot mention that Sasuke already fought multiple samurai, Ay, Ay's group, Gaara, and Gaara's group before being confronted by Mei.

Anyway, Tsunade definitely deserves the kage title. Not only is she the perfect supportive ninja, but she can instaheal and take out somebody with a single landed strike. Mei's kg put her at kage rank. Lava and boil releases are very powerful and tactically formidable.

True, but MS Sasuke at full power would still be in the same position.

But besides that, yeah, I agree

 

[Micho22]

Yes very smart logic tsunade and mei not kage level haha
Tsunade mastered the same ability like the god of shinobis plus more power than the raikage and coud hold herself against madara
Mei has two kekkei genkailis and also coud hold herself against madara
Its laughable to sas that they are not comparable to the others
The main problem is that the other kages have just fanboys who protect them and overhype some charackters extremly

 

[Horus]

Tsunade and Mei Are Kage level.
Tsunade Can Heal Instantly, Can Destroy Susanoo's, can instantly kill an Opponent etc. Which puts her at Kage level...
Mei Has Powerful Jutsu's and is a the owner of 2 Kekkai genkai's...
I do Agree that the Word "kage is overused".

 

[Nous]

I would consider Tsunade Kage Lvl. And on NB, pole think if you're not fodder you're Kage level. No inbetwen

 

[Booker]

Hiruzen would lose to Tsunade quite easily. They both are strong. Tsunade is the second strongest kage of the current kages. Tsunade is even one of the better hokages, you can deny it all you want but it's true. Hiruzen was quite pathetic and Tobirama lacks feats. Minato vs Tsunade is debatable.

lol no, Hiruzen would mop the floor with Tsunade.

Minato and Tobirama are not debatable, they would kill Tsunade with close to no effort. You are ridiculous for thinking Tsunade is that powerful.

 

[Omega]

who ever said zabuza kage level, he was embarassed by kakashi. He used one freaking lightning blade and nin dogs. Edo zabuza aint shit eiither...next question...tsunade and mei are weak? Did no one see tsunade smash the susano'o break grounds with her finger, her freaking regeneration, and mei kekkei genkai? why are they considered fodders?

 

[AlphaScythian]

I've seen people compare Lee, Chouji, Hidan, Zabuza, and even Part 1 CM Sasuke as being Kage level. Seriously? Whatever happened to the title of Kage, and why is it so easily acheived?

Answer is Tsunade. She has ruined kage title lol

 

[LitzSabr]

Kage term overused? Agreed
Mei and Tsunade weak for a kage? Hell no!

 

[aimop95]

lol no, Hiruzen would mop the floor with Tsunade.

Minato and Tobirama are not debatable, they would kill Tsunade with close to no effort. You are ridiculous for thinking Tsunade is that powerful.

Assuming they could actually kill her before her seal healed her.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I've seen people compare Lee, Chouji, Hidan, Zabuza, and even Part 1 CM Sasuke as being Kage level. Seriously? Whatever happened to the title of Kage, and why is it so easily acheived?

Well, I think there are a couple things.

First of all, it doesn't help having people like Tsunade and Mei as Kages. Before, Kages were these legendary shinobi that were often shrouded in mystery and power. Then after seeing Tsunade (but mostly Mei) Kage level seemed to be something that could be acheived easier. As much as you argue, Tsunade and Mei can't compare to any other Kage.

Another thing is the power scaling. It's gotten to the point where even Kage level shinobi are being sh*t on by these OP shinobi from day's past. I think it's ridiculous how far the power scaling has gone, Sage Mode should have been the strongest powerup Naruto got.

That being said, bring back the Kage days!

Back then there were more candidates for the "kage" position. People fought over the title and in the process became stronger. Now the title is given to those who are available to take the spot(tsunade, garra, mei, kakashi(offered but turned it down)etc.) When the kage title is fought over the one who gains the title is usually strong but when the said kage dies and the position has to be filled in haste the replacement is usually unqualified(ie people mentioned above)

 

[phylos]

I wouldn't call any of those unqualified: Gaara fought toe to toe with the second Mizukage, Mei has used devastatingly powerful techniques and Tsunade is considered the greatest medical ninja alive. Kakashi was able to hold his own against fully transformed Jinchuriki.
Also neither Gaara nor Tsunade were chosen in a haste, when the third died the most powerful ninja available for the position of Hokage was Jiraiya (IMO at least) and he himself suggested her. If Gaara was named Kazekage at fifteen it clearly means that the Sand village took around two years to decide who to choose, it's telling that they chose him.

 

[Silverforsakenhamster]

People think Hinata is the main heroine, others think Itachi's the main character, and some think Ichiraku is Rikudou. But the only way people consider characters kages level is mainly because they are drunk or high. But IMO for Tsunade and Mai is pretty much average. And not because of their chests, it's because they have something that is a useful that makes them kages. My suggestion is you go back to the Search for Tsunade Arc to see if there's any reason why Jiraiya wanted her to be a Kage. My guess is because she was worthy of it.
And heck I still don't understand how Minato is a Kage cause I never seen him use anything. So if we are going to grade skills of the character to prove they are "strong" enough to be Kage, then teleporting which is probably the only thing I've seen Minato ever do. Same goes with Tsunade cause she can only heal and break something/someone. So Minato and Tsunade are similar until it's proven Minato can do more besides teleporting and rasengan. And btw the Death seal doesn't count so don't try arguing with me with that.

 

[KingHashirama]

Bro bro X_X no no just no man. Your made the thread fail when you said Tsunade and Mei are weak, easily top 20

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I wouldn't call any of those unqualified: Gaara fought toe to toe with the second Mizukage, Mei has used devastatingly powerful techniques and Tsunade is considered the greatest medical ninja alive. Kakashi was able to hold his own against fully transformed Jinchuriki.
Also neither Gaara nor Tsunade were chosen in a haste, when the third died the most powerful ninja available for the position of Hokage was Jiraiya (IMO at least) and he himself suggested her. If Gaara was named Kazekage at fifteen it clearly means that the Sand village took around two years to decide who to choose, it's telling that they chose him.

Garra was too young and didn't have the right experience to be kage. Only got the position because it was vacant and it helped keep a better eye on the 1tail( and he still lost it)

Tsunade was in a piss poor condition when she got the job having trouble fighting a mid level jonin.

Mei only got the job after the rein of yagura.(i think)

Kakashi was offered the job in haste since tsunade left the spot vacant.

My point is only when others were also vying for the title did a truly strong leader show up. When the title is offered to you, you didn't deserve it and are most likely unqualified.

Examples: Hashirama(Madara), Hiruzen(Danzo),Minato(Orochimaru)

 

[Naruto9001]

As much as you argue, Tsunade and Mei can't compare to any other Kage.

Tobirama, Hiruzen, 4th Kazekage say hi.

 

[Obito3631]

Hidan is easily kage level, he can beat almost anyone without intel.

 

[phylos]

Garra was too young and didn't have the right experience to be kage. Only got the position because it was vacant and it helped keep a better eye on the 1tail( and he still lost it)

This is just your speculation and doesn't come from anything that was said in canon and if it were the truth then he would have been named Kazekage right after the body of his father was discovered and the village wouldn't have taken two years (or more) just to decide that.
And I see you don't comment anything about him fighting on nearly equal ground with one of the resurrected Kage and eventually sealing him. Maybe not enough experience but definitely enough strength.

Tsunade was in a piss poor condition when she got the job having trouble fighting a mid level jonin.

Kabuto took advantage of her hemophobia; and, as soon as she overcame it, she easily bested armless Orochimaru.

Mei only got the job after the rein of yagura.(i think)

...I didn't comment anything on her because that'd be speculation.

Kakashi was offered the job in haste since tsunade left the spot vacant.

I never denied that his nomination was in a haste, I agree with you that it was. Yet Kakashi has also showed Kage level strength in the battle with Obito and his six paths and then the ten tails.

My point is only when others were also vying for the title did a truly strong leader show up. When the title is offered to you, you didn't deserve it and are most likely unqualified.

Examples: Hashirama(Madara), Hiruzen(Danzo),Minato(Orochimaru)

That is, again, just your opinion and there is no way to confirm or refute since nothing in the manga either confirms or refutes so I abstain to comment on it as well.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

This is just your speculation and doesn't come from anything that was said in canon and if it were the truth then he would have been named Kazekage right after the body of his father was discovered and the village wouldn't have taken two years (or more) just to decide that.
And I see you don't comment anything about him fighting on nearly equal ground with one of the resurrected Kage and eventually sealing him. Maybe not enough experience but definitely enough strength.


Kabuto took advantage of her hemophobia; and, as soon as she overcame it, she easily bested armless Orochimaru.

...I didn't comment anything on her because that'd be speculation.

I never denied that his nomination was in a haste, I agree with you that it was. Yet Kakashi has also showed Kage level strength in the battle with Obito and his six paths and then the ten tails.



That is, again, just your opinion and there is no way to confirm or refute since nothing in the manga either confirms or refutes so I abstain to comment on it as well.

I am not talking about their current standing with the jobs im talking about when they first got the job.

When tsunade first got the job its only cuz leaf had nobody else to choose. She didn't want it and wasn't fit for it.

Garra wasn't experienced for the position when he first got it. FACT.

I'll hold off on mizukage due to the lack of knowledge on her background.

Kakashi would fall under this as well. When he was offered the job he wasn't ready for the position.

Those that weren't offered but wanted the job and had to compete with others for the job became stronger because of it.

 

[phylos]

I am not talking about their current standing with the jobs im talking about when they first got the job.

When tsunade first got the job its only cuz leaf had nobody else to choose. She didn't want it and wasn't fit for it.

... Tsunade is the greatest medical ninja alive and one of the Sannin, if that is not Kage material then every Kage should just be at the level of Hashirama and Madara.

Garra wasn't experienced for the position when he first got it. FACT.

Agreed, Gaara is sixteen, that's not experience, yet he showed a strong will to protect the Sand Village and enough strength to do so. If that doesn't make him worthy of the Kage title then we should remember how Minato died.

Kakashi would fall under this as well. When he was offered the job he wasn't ready for the position.

Maybe not, but when Tsunade went into a coma and Danzo died, the only other possible choice was Naruto and that won't happen until the end of the series.