what's stringer FRS OR KIRIN

[leafeater]

1.) Kirin is not nature energy. It can't be used with efficacy in doors because it takes advantage of the environment, it uses thunder/lightning chakra. Sage mode uses nature chakra.

2.) Kirin does not move at the speed of light, lightning is seen at the speed of light as any visible image is, but the bolt directed at the target is slower.

3.) Kirin does take time to set up, but Itachi only blocked it because of Susanoo, it's an incredible technique.

4.) If Susanoo exists to block Kirin, there are other ways. Every jutsu has a counter/s.

5.) As far as we know Kirin is complete.

6.) fuuton rasenshuriken (FRS) is incomplete, last time we heard it was 50% at best. Only Naruto can conceivably use this technique even if someone else could learn it at this stage because of the damage to the user.

7.) If Naruto can use wind in time, it should eliminate Kirin

8.) Kirin is for long range while Rasengan is close range, so I don't see the whole comparison here. If you get hit by either, you die, even if you have 3 hearts unless you have the Kyuubi. Given how incredible FRS was in an incomplete form, I'm interested in seeing how devastating it can be in completion. Also, we've seen pictures of Naruto wiping out trees from a distance, so if that's a version of FRS, then it tops Kirin for both long and short range.

 

[King Harkinian]

stop making threads no1 likes you
now scrub me

 

[SAKumono26]

pointless thread wind is stronger then lightning
& frs is not even completed

 

[Steinbiz]

as much as i LOVE rasenshuriken. i have to painfully say kirin. rasenshuriken is just a big windy bomb so-to-speak. kirin is being struck by a giant lightning bolt that is "unavoidable".

 

[Neutrino00]

FRS because Wind beats Lightning. TheEnd

remember that this thread is about which one is better, not about elemental advantage's.

 

[SAKumono26]

as much as i LOVE rasenshuriken. i have to painfully say kirin. rasenshuriken is just a big windy bomb so-to-speak. kirin is being struck by a giant lightning bolt that is "unavoidable".

& u call urself a jirya Fan
SHAme on ya

 

[twistedlink]

Ugh...lightning is electrons, you cant slow electrons down, you can slow light waves down but subatomic particles like electrons cannot be slowed, and when they are they change into bose einstein condensates.

WAAAAY unneeded information, but my point is kirin is SENT TO THE ENEMY AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT.

True kirin does need the outside, but quite frankly sasuke vs naruto and them using these kind of techniques....theyd have blasted any building they were in to bits by the time they used these techniques.



Also im not liking the whole "winds stronger than lightning"

yes, it is, but it still requires a stronger AMOUNT.

for example, when asuma taught naruto about wind elemental, he told naruto to throw the knife through the tree, naruto only got it 2 inches in, asumas went STRAIGHT THROUGH.


My point here is wind only beats electricity if the wind youre using is STRONGER than the electricity.

Think of it like pokemon

fire vs grass (for simplicity)

ember is super effective, but its only got a base value of 20 atk
fire blast is also super effective, but has a base value of 150 atk.

My point is wind may be stronger than electricity but only if the user extracts the required amount of wind into the attack.

If naruto attacked sasukes electrical element with his previous wind attacks (2 inches kunai into tree) sasuke would have won, because despite wind being stronger, the wind wasnt used to the FULLEST.


Though saying this we have to take into account that sasukes attack takes a lot of preparation, and its obvious when hes about to unleash it, because he releases fire dragons, so youve got a good amount of time to hide or simply take him out before the thunder clouds form properly, whereas FRS can be fired up pretty quickly by naruto, and he can now fire these things off.

I also believe i was a bit out of order with the 4 shots thing, when he got kakuzu he fired up 3 of them

1 failed

1 decoy

1 hit

and that was AFTER training with it, where he mustve fired up a few beforehand.

And now he has better control, and with sage training has no doubt increased his chakra capacity more, the scary thing about FRS its the fact that naruto can fire off a few of these things in a matter of seconds, and FRS isnt the kind of attack you want to be used multiple times quickly against you.

 

[Neutrino00]

pointless thread wind is stronger then lightning
& frs is not even completed

once again.
This thread is about which one is stronger and better. NOT ABOUT ELEMENTAL ADVANTAGE"S.
For once I agree with Twisted link. Kirin provides a lot of preparation(although you don't know if he is about to do it, because you have never seen teh technique before, so unless he did what he did with itachi and spend like 10 minutes talking about how it was unavoidable(Itachi might have actually been unable to stop the attack if it wasn't for the long talking)) I think rasengshuriken would be killer with sage mode, cause in sage mode your taijutsu is enhanced enough that you can pretty much cover an insane amount of distance in a split second(similer to how jiriyah went and fired off an ultimate rasengan on pain). you can fire off a lot of rasenshurikens quickly.

the one thing I do hate is that rasenshuriken like has that crappy drawback that would like damage you.

I don't really think that naruto has put that much training to use it when he was training with it, I think he was just training to get it usable.

 

[twistedlink]

True only itachi has seen kirin, and the only people smart enough to realise it may be an attack is shikamaru and kakashi.

So yeah, if you survive the 1st bolt the 2nd bolt should be easier to avoid LOL.

Also yeah, elementals doesnt matter, the poster didnt mean FRS and kirin struck together, he just meant the attacks in general.

If it is in general...I honestly have no idea, FRS is amazingly powerful, kirin has one shot of super powerful electricity surge, millions/billions of volts, super fried being.

FRS...well...the half assed one had many many MANY hits (even kakashis sharingan couldnt count) and it shattered narutos arm.

Theyre both stupidly powerful

 

[Cash]

1. Anime: Rasenshurrikan was 50%...
2. Manga: Showed Naruto complete the jutsu during sage training... he used a clone, just didnt have the clone practice sage-mode.
3. Anime: We saw that the 50% Rasenshurrikan created a huge vortex above Naruto when he was holding it.
4. Manga: Focus the Rasenshurrikan downword created one heck of a crater in the earth...

Conclusion: Naruto would be able to blow away any Rain Cloud that Sasuke could even hope to create... only chance he would have would be for Naruto not to notice it...

 

[leafeater]

Ugh...lightning is electrons, you cant slow electrons down, you can slow light waves down but subatomic particles like electrons cannot be slowed, and when they are they change into bose einstein condensates.

WAAAAY unneeded information, but my point is kirin is SENT TO THE ENEMY AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT.

"Dude", you may be a scientist, but you need to understand or at least check sources to understand that you're wrong. You're also pretty abrasive when you disagree. I'm attaching a link that explains it quite nicely. His figure is wrong in that where he draws some of the straight lines, they should be exponential decays I think.

This is the link for anyone interested:

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Electrons can be slowed: Ishii 1990
If electrons are in a decelerating field, they will continue to decelerate. Obviously the same is true for accelerating.

 

[twistedlink]

"Dude", you may be a scientist, but you need to understand or at least check sources to understand that you're wrong. You're also pretty abrasive when you disagree. I'm attaching a link that explains it quite nicely. His figure is wrong in that where he draws some of the straight lines, they should be exponential decays I think.

This is the link for anyone interested:

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Electrons can be slowed: Ishii 1990
If electrons are in a decelerating field, they will continue to decelerate. Obviously the same is true for accelerating.

you cant accelerate electrons...they move at the speed of light, you cant go faster than speed of light.

Decelerating electrons is simply giving it less energy, and when you super cool matter (protons, electrons etc) you start getting gluons, and bose einstein electrons etc etc, theyre not electrons anymore and dont act like electrons.


Yes im abraisive, i see no point beating round the bush, i dont hate you or anything, i was just stating what i think.

Lightning indeed doesnt move at the speed of light, which surprises me a lot, i was always taught it did, there may be resistance in actual lightning in the skies, but whether that affects the speed at which sasuke hits the enemy....


All electrons in electrical wires move at the speed of light, electricity free flowing always moves speed of light unless it meets resistance, maybe thats why, as the clouds give resistance, who knows, but slowing electrons down doesnt make them behave as electrons.

 

[Miggy69]

i would say kirin because of its speed even though i love FRS

 

[<3 Pesh <3]

ok so even though i saw the new frs i still say kirin is better

 

[Sync]

If I am right FRS should win because KIRIN is based on lightning which is created by friction of winds. So if Naruto takes away the friction= no lightning o-O

 

[platinum69]

i go with the frs simply because wind is greater than lighting. but i would like to know what naruto's new jutsu is he was hiding from pa it seems to come from the heavens as kirin does.

Fuuton: Rasenshuriken.

I fully agree... Wind will beat lighting...

 

[BAN_KAI]

You mean RAIKIRI Lightningedge

 

[Chakra]

If I am right FRS should win because KIRIN is based on lightning which is created by friction of winds. So if Naruto takes away the friction= no lightning o-O

friction is not only caused by winds.in a nutshell, heat (and lack of) causes friction in rising and falling moisture in the air which is why sasuke needs to do the grand dragon fireball first before he executes kirin. the polarity of the sky and the ground is also why lightning works.

 

[The Ghost of Konoha]

kirin is unavoidable because it moves at the speed of light (being lightning) and no matter can move at the speed of light, you have mass, you have less than light speed.

Kirin is also not limited to chakra capacity, lets put chakra capacity into numbers

lets say naruto has 100,000 chakra points, sasuke has 10,000, naruto has a BUTTLOAD of chakra, a rasenshuriken lets say uses up 25,000 points, gives him 4 shots with it, pretty cool

However sasukes kirin isnt based on chakra points, he releases fire dragons when almost out of chakra (1000 points, 25 hits) and he can make massive storms worth millions of chakra points, the only reason itachi didnt die was because of yatas mirror by susanou.


Wind beats lightning as long as wind is stronger by the shinobi.

Zetsu stated a veteran with a stone can beat a novice with a kunai.

My point is wind beats electric as long as the wind attack itself is stronger than the electric.

Otherwise rasenshuriken can be beaten (hence naruto loses) to the most BASIC fire attacks.

Very powerful wind blows a fire out.

It hasnt been stated but thats common sense, it also means hokage level shinobi cant be beaten by genin because the genin has a opposing element which helps them.


For this reason, i go with kirin for most power.

However, narutos jutsu appears to have much faster activation, theres also the fact that you can still hide from kirin, and you can also in theory blow the clouds away with wind attacks, but who knows.

I personally prefer the jutsu FRS, however power alone, kirin has no chakra limitations, that pretty much means its power is beyond human capability, as zetsu says.

Nice point. Not to be a **** but it was saskue who said that a veteran with a stone can beat a novice with a shuriken. He said this when he overcame tsukuomi and stated that sharingan is just another ninja tool that is only as strong as the shinobi who uses it. But I pic FRS

 

[HERMIT]

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