What's so special about unfused Momoshiki ?

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I understand the guy can absorb chakra, ninjutsu, and send characters attacks back at them with more power but what can he do against characters that don't use ninjutsu or attacks that can't be absorbed.

I honestly don't see him beating guys like Hashirama, DRSM Madara, or Gai.
 

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He experiencing a hard time against 4 Kages. Means nothing special about him.
 
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If a character doesn't use techniques then Momoshiki also has to rely purely on close-combat. You could see the frustration on his face when Sasuke and the others were talking about their plan.
 

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He experiencing a hard time against 4 Kages. Means nothing special about him.

I understand he's powerful but he's not stronger than some non rikudo characters like Gai or Hashirama.

He just has a very exploitable weakness and can't compete with most God tiers without being fused.
 

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If a character doesn't use techniques then Momoshiki also has to rely purely on close-combat. You could see the frustration on his face when Sasuke and the others were talking about their plan.

How good is his close combat though ? Who's level would you put him around ?
 

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He's skilled in taijutsu and was able to hold his own against Sasuke, Darui, and also evade attacks from Gaara. So I'd say he's pretty powerful. Not to mention one of his kicks sent Naruto through a thick concrete wall, all the way to the trees.

In terms of intelligence and physical strength I'd say he's up there
 

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How good is his close combat though ? Who's level would you put him around ?
Well he reacted to and countered adult Sasuke's ameno with a backhand. :elmo:

Edit: Oh nvm, he said non-fused. XD
 

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I understand he's powerful but he's not stronger than some non rikudo characters like Gai or Hashirama.

He just has a very exploitable weakness and can't compete with most God tiers without being fused.

He is glass canon
 

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He's skilled in taijutsu and was able to hold his own against Sasuke, Darui, and also evade attacks from Gaara. So I'd say he's pretty powerful. Not to mention one of his kicks sent Naruto through a thick concrete wall, all the way to the trees.

In terms of intelligence and physical strength I'd say he's up there

I'm understand he isn't fodder but he isn't on the level of most rikudo characters. A guy like him seems like he would be at least on Naruto and Sasuke level but he's definitely not.
 

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Also when he fused with Kinshiki he became extremely powerful and all of that power wasn't just from Kinshiki. He was probably half of it. So he's very strong we just haven't seen his true power at work.
 

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I'm understand he isn't fodder but he isn't on the level of most rikudo characters. A guy like him seems like he would be at least on Naruto and Sasuke level but he's definitely not.

Most rikudou characters? Can you elaborate on who fits that category?
 

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If he used the six paths abilities, he'd be much more menacing.
 

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Most rikudou characters? Can you elaborate on who fits that category?

Naruto, Sasuke, Madara, Hagoromo, Kaguya, and maybe DMS Kakashi depending on if Momoshiki can react to kamui.

I would say Hamura, and Ashura but they're featless.
 

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Naruto, Sasuke, Madara, Hagoromo, Kaguya, and maybe DMS Kakashi depending on if Momoshiki can react to kamui.

I would say Hamura, and Ashura but they're featless.

Hagoromo doesn't have enough feats for us to gauge his real strength. But I agree that Madara and Kaguya are stronger. Naruto and Sasuke might lose to him individually though.
 

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Hagoromo doesn't have enough feats for us to gauge his real strength. But I agree that Madara and Kaguya are stronger. Naruto and Sasuke might lose to him individually though.

It only makes sense that Hago could beat him.

Naruto and Sasuke would rape him. Idk what you're talking about.
 

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And Naruto and Sasuke would rape him? Lets say Kinshiki is equal to Momoshiki, that means he stands a good chance at beating them. Especially considering the fact that he can absorb their ninjutsu, is super strong, fast enough to catch naruto by surprise, and has the byakugan.
After Naruto and Sasuke defeated Momoshiki they both were too tired to even stand up and were heavily exhausted. He had to handle both at the same time tho.

Kinshiki almost killed Sasuke.
 

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And Naruto and Sasuke would rape him? Lets say Kinshiki is equal to Momoshiki, that means he stands a good chance at beating them. Especially considering the fact that he can absorb their ninjutsu, is super strong, fast enough to catch naruto by surprise, and has the byakugan.
After Naruto and Sasuke defeated Momoshiki they both were too tired to even stand up and were heavily exhausted. He had to handle both at the same time tho.

Kinshiki almost killed Sasuke.
They were tired after beating fused Momo. A guy that died from a rasengan from Boruto that had a little boost from Naruto.

Sasuke wasn't even using most of his arsenal against Kinshiki.
 

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They were tired after beating fused Momo. A guy that died from a rasengan from Boruto that had a little boost from Naruto.

Sasuke wasn't even using most of his arsenal against Kinshiki.

It was a ****ing huge rasengan dude. I guarantee that Madara and Naruto would die if they got hit by it. Of course it killed him. That doesn't matter anyways because they needed help to defeat him. I reckon if it wasn't for Boruto they might've lost or won at a heavy price (like losing their legs).

Sasuke was trying his hardest in that fight what are you talking about?
 

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It was a ****ing huge rasengan dude. I guarantee that Madara and Naruto would die if they got hit by it. Of course it killed him. That doesn't matter anyways because they needed help to defeat him. I reckon if it wasn't for Boruto they might've lost or won at a heavy price (like losing their legs).

Sasuke was trying his hardest in that fight what are you talking about?

That rasengan was nowhere near the power of Naruto's strongest attacks and you really think a 13 year old genin is really needed to help Naruto and Sasuke beat some guy that's below JJ Madara.

Sasuke clearly was not trying his hardest.
 
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