what would happen

[~Hasashi~]

if my opponent would use an A rank lightning and i use a A rank wind would my jutsu break through and continue on the same power or weaken to about D rank

being that in detention i cant add a poll can a mod please do so?

 

[Hellsbadass]

please give enough of proof and theory behind your vote

 

[~Hasashi~]

please give enough of proof and theory behind your vote

well being that wind beats lightning it would just defeat it and continue also my jutsu levels anything in its path

 

[squiremarcus]

well being that wind beats lightning it would just defeat it and continue also my jutsu levels anything in its path

I agree. Well for some proof just think of lightning over earth. same scenario basically. chidori diesn't get weakened when it taers through deidara's clay(earth based) or gaara's sand(sorta earth based). also fire and water. works If you shoot fire at water, it won't reduce the water by a significant enough amount to lessen it's strength

 

[Rei]

well being that wind beats lightning it would just defeat it and continue also my jutsu levels anything in its path

well yeah, wind beats lighting in the elemental table but doesn't it depend also at the specific jutsus?I mean that we can read this map in other ways also:

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For example, we know Earth beats Water, but also Wind can beat a water jet of equal strength by pushing it behind. It will splash of course, but still the water technique will get canceled. Right?
Overall, i think it comes down to the specific jutsu used, not only to the elemental basis of it.

I agree. Well for some proof just think of lightning over earth. same scenario basically. chidori diesn't get weakened when it taers through deidara's clay(earth based) or gaara's sand(sorta earth based). also fire and water. works If you shoot fire at water, it won't reduce the water by a significant enough amount to lessen it's strength

I am not sure we can use Sasuke's example for this discussion, since we aren't exactly sure what is happening with that man and his curse seal. What if it boosts up all his techniques? It is something we need to take under consideration, since Sasuke isn't exactly what you would call "ordinary".

But to work on your examples, If that was the case, then why would Sasuke even need to form chidori? He is lighting based, this is how he detonated the invisible explosive bombs he inhaled. If only a lighting based attack was needed, then why did he even bother to form chidori? He would just "touch" Deidara's clay focusing his lighting chakra and boom! Clay penetrated. No, how i see this is, that the specific jutsu matters also not only the elemental basis.

 

[~Hasashi~]

well yeah, wind beats lighting in the elemental table but doesn't it depend also at the specific jutsus?I mean that we can read this map in other ways also:

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For example, we know Earth beats Water, but also Wind can beat a water jet of equal strength by pushing it behind. It will splash of course, but still the water technique will get canceled. Right?
Overall, i think it comes down to the specific jutsu used, not only to the elemental basis of it.



I am not sure we can use Sasuke's example for this discussion, since we aren't exactly sure what is happening with that man and his curse seal. What if it boosts up all his techniques? It is something we need to take under consideration, since Sasuke isn't exactly what you would call "ordinary".

But to work on your examples, If that was the case, then why would Sasuke even need to form chidori? He is lighting based, this is how he detonated the invisible explosive bombs he inhaled. If only a lighting based attack was needed, then why did he even bother to form chidori? He would just "touch" Deidara's clay focusing his lighting chakra and boom! Clay penetrated. No, how i see this is, that the specific jutsu matters also not only the elemental basis.

he used

Raiton: Rairyuu No Tatsumaki (Lightning Style: Lightning Dragon Tornado)

Type:Attack
Rank: A
Range:Short-Mid
Chakra cost:30
Damage Points:60
Description: Lightning that covers the user and spun around there body till its shape like
a dragon of wind and lightning which doesnt need to hit the opponent directly to cause
damage. If it misses a bolt can leap from it and strike the opponent on the users order.


and i used

Fuuton: Atsugai (Wind Style: Pressure Damage)

Type:Attack
Rank: A
Range:Short-Mid
Chakra Cost:30
Damage Points:60
Description: A Huge blast of wind that levels anything in its path.

 

[Rei]

Normally, it would break through since the lighting jutsu is not a blast. Of course, the pressure damage is not a jutsu you can control its range and direction. You will throw it at the opponent and it will continue going to this direction.
This is how it looks:

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However, the lighting jutsu used, gives the user the ability to create and maneuver bolts out of it. Since your jutsu crushed his dragon, some lighting bolts were automatically created at the second your crushed it. He could maneuver them if he was really fast.

 

[Hellsbadass]

but wouldn't the power of the wind jutsu be reduce?
because most ppl here will user a lower rank wind jutsu to cancel of a lightning jutsu?

 

[Rei]

but wouldn't the power of the wind jutsu be reduce?
because most ppl here will user a lower rank wind jutsu to cancel of a lightning jutsu?

yes of course it would. Just stating that after the crushing the pressure damage would continue its course.

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

Um, I'm just interjecting my thoughts, so I apologize, but couldn't it work something like this? (Pardon me, I have no pictures, so I will do my best to explain.)

First, we have the regular elements,

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This is fairly simple, an element beats the next one in the cycle, while is defeated by the one behind it. Also, it can be assumed that elements not in direct contact are equal.

Well, then, the jutsu could be subdivided by Coverage Field.

For example, we could have these three jutsu.

Justu A

Spoiler

Generic Fire Ball Jutsu
Rank: S
Type: Attack
Range: Mid
Coverage: Medium
Attack: 40
Chakra: 40
Description: A ball of fire, shot from the mouth.

Jutsu B

Spoiler

Generic Water Wave Jutsu
Rank: A
Type: Attack
Range: Mid
Coverage:Large (wide)
Attack: 30
Chakra: 30
Description: A wave of water fired at the opponent.

Jutsu C

Spoiler

Generic Water Blast Jutsu
Rank: A
Type: Attack
Range: Mid
Coverage: Small (compressed)
Attack: 30
Chakra: 30
Description: A blast of water, fired from the mouth.

Take Jutsu A vs. Jutsu B. Jutsu B is one rank lower, but the superior element. This would mean they would tie. Now, look at the coverage. Even though Jutsu B is the superior element, and would win in normal circumstances, its range is larger, meaning that its power is spread out over an area. Jutsu A covers a smaller area, so its power is more compressed. Because of this, Jutsu A = Jutsu B and they cancel each other out even though Justu B would win without coverage.

Now, the same scenario, but with a different coverage.

Jutsu C is a rank lower than Jutsu A, but is the superior element. Jutsu C has a smaller coverage though. This means that its power is more compacted that Jutsu A's. So, having its power in a smaller space, and being the superior element, Jutsu C > Justu A and would continue on, with the same power as it began with. A good example would be stabbing a tissue that is drawn tight, with a pencil. Even if you don't stab with much force, the power is more concentrated, and pierces the tissue, much like Justu C would do to Justu A

So, we could use this system as well:

Of the Same Element:

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Small > Medium > Large

Where the element's differ (signified by color corresponding to the chart[assume that the elements are B rank, A rank, and B rank respectively])

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Small = Medium=Large

After this point, Rank would take over, and there would be no conflict of which element is stronger.

I realize this is flawed, but it's just something I thought about, thinking about how it would work....

 

[Hellsbadass]

nice ^^
but dont u mean
small<mediun< large

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

Dang, didn't delete it fast enough....

No, I was more or less using pressure to explain it. =/ A smaller force on an area is more likely to pierce something, than that same amount of force over a larger area.

 

[Hellsbadass]

oh ok ^^
i like your jutsu format bcz there are jutsu that are strong even though they are in a low rank

example

Suiton: Baku Shuishouha) - Water Style: Bursting Water Wave

Rank:B
Type:Supplementary
Range:Short-Mid
Chakra cost:20
Damage Points:N/A
Description: The user causes a large volume of water to materialize out of nowhere. The water can then be directed at his target.

the use is able to spit out a lakes worth of water. it is able to put all types of fire jutsus even forbidden


thats y the coverage is important to determine wat type of jutsu will stop a jutsu

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

oh ok ^^
i like your jutsu format bcz there are jutsu that are strong even though they are in a low rank

example

Suiton: Baku Shuishouha) - Water Style: Bursting Water Wave

Rank:B
Type:Supplementary
Range:Short-Mid
Chakra cost:20
Damage Points:N/A
Description: The user causes a large volume of water to materialize out of nowhere. The water can then be directed at his target.

the use is able to spit out a lakes worth of water. it is able to put all types of fire jutsus even forbidden


thats y the coverage is important to determine wat type of jutsu will stop a jutsu

Right. All though I simplified it a bit, that would be right. Even if you used a Forbidden Rank fire, that was large enough to cover the Continental US, an E rank Water justu, with the size and volume of the Pacific Ocean would beat it, not only because of element, but because there is no way for even that much fire to evaporate that much water.

 

[Hellsbadass]

dam right ^^
i think this will also effect the wind jutsu when its against a lightning jutsu

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

dam right ^^
i think this will also effect the wind jutsu when its against a lightning jutsu

Yep. Besides Wind > Lightening, a Lightening bolt (say, of S rank) could not destroy a tornado (of S rank as well). It might weaken it a bit, but unless the lightening was "Limelight" level, it wouldn't really stop it; the energy diminished in the tornado would be minuscule.

Now, I'm going to stop posting before I start spamming the thread (which I feel like I'm doing now), and keep restating my post above....

 

[Hellsbadass]

tru U_U

dont worry dude your not spammin