What would characters be without Kekkei Genkai?

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Really? what about kirin? all his chidori techs? his fire styles? weapon usage and summons?

Besides, almost all characters with kkg are strong even without it



He basically just has Lightning and Fire.
Low-Jonin level if you count his techniques like Kirin. Other than that, he's Iruka.[SUB]
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All Madara's shown without sharingan is katon and cqc, lol
Neither of them are kage level

he danced with an entire army. only used genjutsu once during that whole thing. he's totally kage level.

also are we basing this off if the characters lost their kekkei genkais right now or if they started from the beginning of the series without them?? if so sasuke was beating on naruto before he had sharingan and shouldn't you also takes tailed beasts away to make it fair?
 

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Madara without sharingan is still strong and kage lvl. He's got top notch taijutsu, bukijutsu, town sized katons, defensive aoe katons, defensive barriers, uchiha reflection, chakra absorption jutsu, puppet seal, black rods.
 

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Madara without sharingan is still strong and kage lvl. He's got top notch taijutsu, bukijutsu, town sized katons, defensive aoe katons, defensive barriers, uchiha reflection, chakra absorption jutsu, puppet seal, black rods.

Lots of that stuff comes from rinnegan, which is a KKG
 

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he danced with an entire army. only used genjutsu once during that whole thing. he's totally kage level.

also are we basing this off if the characters lost their kekkei genkais right now or if they started from the beginning of the series without them?? if so sasuke was beating on naruto before he had sharingan and shouldn't you also takes tailed beasts away to make it fair?

Mmmmh. I can see that, then
 

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I'm pretty sure she has the sharingan



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Madara without sharingan is still strong and kage lvl. He's got top notch taijutsu, bukijutsu, town sized katons, defensive aoe katons, defensive barriers, uchiha reflection, chakra absorption jutsu, puppet seal, black rods.



He was only good in close combat because of his Sharingan.[SUB]
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Lots of that stuff comes from rinnegan, which is a KKG

What comes from rinnegan? Barriers are passed down techniques, uchiha reflection is from a weapon, black rod is yin yang technique and madara did it withou rinnegan, chakra absorption jutsu is a technique introduced since part 1, and madara did it without rinnegan, puppet seal is a sealing technique madara made without rinnegan.
 

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real quick just cause someone said madara was only good at close quarters because of his sharingan. well blind madara fought both naruto and sasuke and beat them back. yes he had senjutsu but he was blind either way. had he been born without the ability to posses a sharingan he probably would have gotten more jutsu sense he wouldn't be depending on his eyes to tell him whats coming or his susano to defend him. and would have most likely gone and gotten senjutsu with hashirama as he showed he is more then capable of wielding it
 

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Madara yes but not Sasuke.

Sasuke has more feat without sharingan power than madara

if sasuke doesn't have his sharingan he never learned chidori because kakashi never perfected it and so he doenst have kirin or any of his current lighting jutsu which are all variations of chidori

And what's stopping kakashi from teaching him? he always had lightning release? besides he doesnt even need it to be kage tier



He basically just has Lightning and Fire.
Low-Jonin level if you count his techniques like Kirin. Other than that, he's Iruka.[SUB]
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I'm pretty sure he is a fire release master and lightning release master
 

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I'm pretty sure he is a fire release master and lightning release master



No, he's just proficient in those Elements. He's not a Master.[SUB]
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No, he's just proficient in those Elements. He's not a Master.[SUB]
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He is a master in those elements, he created kirin, the ultimate lightning attack and is one of the best fire users
 

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He is a master in those elements, he created kirin, the ultimate lightning attack and is one of the best fire users



3rd Raikage's Finger Jutsu > Kirin
Raikari > Kirin
Black Lightning > Kirin

Just because you made an S-Ranked Raiton Jutsu doesn't mean you're a Master of the element.
Sasuke's just a basic Raiton user, not a Master.[SUB]
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Onoki's son can do most of those and he's still a Jonin. Probably not the weight control though.[SUB]
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His son was made a Unit Commander for a reason. He sandwiched the juubi in between a mountain. He's not just an ordinary jonin.
 

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Sasuke would be under Neji, Sakura, Rock Lee, Choji, Temari... He'd be low jounin at best. Madara would still be pretty strong because of his Fire Style and taijutsu. Darui still has Black Lightning and Water + Lightning separately. Deidara would be utter fodder. Kimimaro too. But that's all those two ever used.

But Shisui would still be a beast because his base speed is compared to space-time jutsu, Hashirama still has chakra like Naruto + Kyuubi without Wood a Style so he's good, and Onoki still has flight and high tier Doton. Those are set.
 

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Would they be as great as Naruto, Minato, Jiraiya, or even 3rd Raikage?

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Sasuke and Itachi without Kekkei Genkai is pretty much Iruka.
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Itachi is High Jounin
Sasuke is Mid High Jonin
Kakashi is low jonin
Naruto is High Kage
Madara is Low Kage
 

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Sasuke would be under Neji, Sakura, Rock Lee, Choji, Temari... He'd be low jounin at best. Madara would still be pretty strong because of his Fire Style and taijutsu. Darui still has Black Lightning and Water + Lightning separately. Deidara would be utter fodder. Kimimaro too. But that's all those two ever used.

But Shisui would still be a beast because his base speed is compared to space-time jutsu, Hashirama still has chakra like Naruto + Kyuubi without Wood a Style so he's good, and Onoki still has flight and high tier Doton. Those are set.

Shisui would be no higher than Sasuke
Sasuke would be about Kakuzu arc Naruto's level.
Hashirama would he screwed without his kkg
Nothing convinces me that Madara's Taijutsu is with or above the other uchiha bros
 
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