What Tech did Tobi/Madara use to tame the 9 tails?

[Cyborg]

Ok, 1st up this thread refers to the 2nd time the 9tails is known to have been controlled, i.e at the birth of Naruto.
There are basically 2 known techniques by which the kyuubi can be extracted and then controlled as shown in the manga, namely:
1. Izanagi
2. MS/EMS.

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HOWEVER, when Madara controls the kyuubi, his eyes are regular 3 tomoe sharingan, so it looks like point no 2 is out. As for izanagi, the user loses an eye by performing this technique, but when did he lose an eye on that occasion?
Madara taking control:

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But which technique did he use exactly to do it?

 

[shmanton]

Ermm tried his hand with a genjustu and got really lucky haha
Nahh you got a good point, i really cant think of a way that he would do it.

Well tobi does have hashiramas dna within him so its possible he used izanagi. But then the eye of the kyuubi wouldnt of went sharringan. In other words i have no clue and would like to know haha

 

[Aditya Khatry]

He just used Genjutsu to control the kyubim, he use summoning to summon the kyuubi and genjutsu to control him, I think so bcuz when sasuke used Manda(snake lord) he used genjutsu there with just plain sharingan so I think Madara used genjutsu too

 

[nrto60]

He just used Genjutsu to control the kyubim, he use summoning to summon the kyuubi and genjutsu to control him, I think so bcuz when sasuke used Manda(snake lord) he used genjutsu there with just plain sharingan so I think Madara used genjutsu too

Well i raised that point a loooong time ago! But again, if thats the case, then any uchiha is capable of controlling kyuubi WITHOUT mangekyo? Which is wrong...
Only an uchiha with mangekyo can control kyuubi, thats what itachi told sasuke before their fight... Madara was&is the only uchiha shown controlling&summoning kyuubi... So, it must be related to mangekyo sharingan somehow... Now the question is, why hasn't madara used his Mangekyo uptil now? Has he lost those eyes when using izanagi? Or he just doesn't need to reveal his mangekyo when he is controlling kyuubi? The naruto series is full of mysteries and its annoying!

 

[Aditya Khatry]

I don't think mangekyo sharingan is necessary if it was necessary then why did the konoha higherups thought that uchiha clan was behind the attack,

if mangekyo sharingan is necessary, then ithink people who have awakened mangekyo get special power to controll the kyuubi and mangekyo directly is not necessary, people who have awakened the mangekyo can controll it by normal sharingan also

 

[Aditya Khatry]

or i think mangekyo is not necessary, people who have special chakra can awaken mangekyo, and i think special typ of chakra is necessary to control the kyubi and i think that if a person can awaken the mangekyo it could be a sign taht says they have that special chakra to control the kyuubi so i don't think mangekoy is necessary,

if mangekyo sharingan could control the kyuubi then kakashi would have helped naruto when he tried to control the kyuubi

 

[Heister]

You just need the power of the senju and uchiha.

I don't think you use Izanagi to control the kyuubi, otherwise danzo would only be able to control it for 13 minutes, it would be useless.

 

[Cyborg]

You just need the power of the senju and uchiha.

I don't think you use Izanagi to control the kyuubi, otherwise danzo would only be able to control it for 13 minutes, it would be useless.

But if that's the case, why did'nt danzo, being the power hungry bastard he is, not attempt to control the kyuubi even once? I think there's something more to it.

 

[Avani]

I think simple summonning and sharingan genjutsu can control Kyuubi. Sasuke used the same in Oro's layer to subdue it.

 

[kisamexRocks]

You only need the sharingan. Madara didn't have the Senju DNA during his fight with Hashirama and he controlled the fox. perhaps in an earlier period somehow he got Senju dna and used it during his fight but it's never been explained. Madara said he fought that battle to get Hashirama's powers so I don't think he had Senju DNA during that fight.

 

[nite]

I think he used a simple Genjutsu on Kyuubi, maybe tsukyomi.

The EMS is suppose to give a new Doujutsu.

its not Izanagi, some say it could be Izanami ( goes with the myth ), The manga has not revealed it yet.

What if the eye technique is Madaras' Space time Ninjutsu.

 

[Yondaime Raikage]

Remember the battle Sasuke vs Deidra right before the itachi fight where Sasuke barely got out alive? Sasuke used just the regular sharigan to control Orchimaro's big snake and he didnt have the MS yet.

So in conclusion, Madara did use a low sharigan technique to control 9 tails.

 

[BarBoBot]

I think you are misunderstood cyborg.

Izanagi is the tech Danzo used to escape death by casting genjutsu on himself.

Any person with a sharingan AND Senju DNA can use izanagi.

However, Danzo didnt just have Senju DNA and a Sharingan, he had Shisuis eye and Hahiramas DNA.

Thats why Tobi said Danzo could control the fox.

Just being a senju with a sharingan would allow you to use izanagai, but not control the fox.

I believe Tobi has Shisuis other eye, or he stole a real MS. (and we already know he has Hashirama DNA)

 

[leafeater]

I think you are misunderstood cyborg.

Izanagi is the tech Danzo used to escape death by casting genjutsu on himself.

Any person with a sharingan AND Senju DNA can use izanagi.

However, Danzo didnt just have Senju DNA and a Sharingan, he had Shisuis eye and Hahiramas DNA.

Thats why Tobi said Danzo could control the fox.

Just being a senju with a sharingan would allow you to use izanagai, but not control the fox.

I believe Tobi has Shisuis other eye, or he stole a real MS. (and we already know he has Hashirama DNA)

I'm mostly on board with this. Against Hashirama, he used his EMS, until Hashirama got control and Mito sealed it inside herself.

The second time he either had EMS, and either didn't use it or he used his two paths, Uchiha and Hashirama Senju's DNA, which is unique than just Senju DNA. I don't think any other Senju had the ability of yang-release like Hashirama, which is why everyone tries to implant and control his DNA.

Also, imperfect Izanagi is an Uchiha Kinjutsu, all it requires is the Sharingan, no Senju DNA. The cost is blindness, which is why it's a Kinjutsu. Another example is Danzou who also had an imperfect control of Hashirama DNA. Madara can do perfect Izanagi, so won't lose an eye, by mastering the two paths and yin-yang release. That's my understanding anyway.

 

[Lord Snow]

does anyone know whats the new doujutsu itachi was talking about when he told sasuke about the history of uchiha. itachi said when madara made the transplant it gave birth to a new doujutsu

 

[leafeater]

does anyone know whats the new doujutsu itachi was talking about when he told sasuke about the history of uchiha. itachi said when madara made the transplant it gave birth to a new doujutsu

Gaining the EMS does more than just prevent blindness as you know. There is a fourth doujutsu gained as well. However, it may not be known until Sasuke takes off his bandages. Some have speculated this is the source of Madara's space-time jutsu as that whirls around his Sharingan eye. I don't know much more than that other than the theory that the technique is called Izanami. Right now it's just a bunch of theories. Try searching for some of those, and you might get a lot more info.

 

[Lord Snow]

Gaining the EMS does more than just prevent blindness as you know. There is a fourth doujutsu gained as well. However, it may not be known until Sasuke takes off his bandages. Some have speculated this is the source of Madara's space-time jutsu as that whirls around his Sharingan eye. I don't know much more than that other than the theory that the technique is called Izanami. Right now it's just a bunch of theories. Try searching for some of those, and you might get a lot more info.

thanks, gonna have to wait to see sasuke use it it could be madara space time tech but i think kishi left it for the battle between naruto and sasuke so when they use their new techniques and does the ems boost sasukes chakara