What shouldn't of been added into the series?

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sasuke. jk

i think its fine. i agree somewhat on everything except the hokage part.
ootsoosuki family isnt even developed. transmigrations were pushed onto naruto and sasuke. no indra ashura flashbacks?? theyre like impersonal things.
kurama turning freindly is weird.
im not complaining i still like it and the new developments.

i get its about overcoming things.
 

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Dude I think you're reading the wrong manga. lol
 

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No, it wasn't. Naruto's theme has always been unity and cooperation, and The Prophecy goes hand in hand with the tone of the story. It serves to add another dimension to the burden placed upon Naruto and Sasuke and make the intrinsic results more tangible. We could get into a whole debate over this, as people do constantly about this very topic, but it mostly comes to culture. The Western Hemisphere generally has a poor understanding of the reincarnation business than with the Asian culture, especially in the context of what they believe and what is practiced, which is the target demographic for this very story. You are free to believe as you please, but it in no way steps on the goals Naruto set or how he met them.

How about you take a second to rationalize. The series is built on overcoming obstacles and the dumb student making his way up, and if you have not noticed, that's exactly what's happened. Naruto is the powerful shinobi he promised us all he'd become. Seeing as how this is the end of the series, he should be where he's at. He took his curse(Kurama) and transformed it into a blessing.
I think you need clarification on what prophecy and reincarnation actually mean and how they differ from destiny. Prophecy is a prediction of an outcome. Nothing is bound to happen. Naruto being the child of prophecy means that he is the one expected to succeed. He is the main character. Naruto being the reincarnation doesn't change anything either. Being the reincarnation does not mean that your life is plotted out for you. You're still living your own life. Naruto having attributes of Ashura doesn't signify that he'll be a replica, as seen with Hashirama. Hashirama and Ashura are very different.
Naruto is still that dumb student working hard to reach his goals. Nothings changed.
You're looking at things impartially. You see Kakashi having Kamui as a bad thing, I see it as something good. If you're just looking at everything negative then of course you'd be disappointed.
I'm glad that people realize this, except for OP of course. Allow my response in another thread to further clarify, if it can
You and anybody who agrees with you are absolute rubes lacking the most basic skills of literature analysis and comprehension. Allow me to put this piece of shit thread to bed.

1.) AT NO POINT IN TIME was Naruto's theme or mantra about HARD WORK. The "hard work surpassing genius" belongs solely to Maito Gai/Lee/Dai and to them alone. Naruto Uzumaki's theme, as well as the central ideal of this manga, is UNITY and COOPERATION. Now, that's not to say Naruto is not a hard-worker. He actually is, he is easily the hardest worker in this series besides the aforementioned 3. But that flag was never his to carry, that is just something some Western fans assumed. The Prophecy and reincarnation business of Naruto and Sasuke is perfectly in line with the characterization put in motion to date and the overall relevancy of the ultimate goal of this manga: to find peace. It adds DIMENSION to the dilemma left to those 2; put it in a different scope. More specifically, these ideals are TERRIBLY misunderstood by the Western audience, which this series is not made for, and it clearly shows in people like yourself when you try to misconstrue the context and undermine the merit it brings to not only Naruto and Sasuke, but to the greater good and representation of history throughout all time.

2.) Naruto was not destined for greatness. Are you of the belief that just because Ashura's chakra is transmigrated to Naruto that makes him automatically meant for greatness? That is not only stupid, but been proven wrong in manga canon. Look at Hashirama Senju. I love the guy, but he's an imperfect transmigrant. As we see, he deviated from the notion of "unity no matter what" and has shown first hand that freedom of choice is alive and well. By killing Madara, he effectively killed everything he stood for and that alone shows the path is able to strayed from. Just as Naruto CHOSE to accept what was before him when Pain attacked. He CHOSE to take his master's mantle and find peace. He CHOSE to allow Nagato and Obito the chance at redemption they deserve as misguided entities in a twisted world. He CHOSE to oppose Madara and the Infinite Tsukuyomi. If Naruto wanted, he could have very well joined the opposition and shit on the entire Alliance and everything he once stood for. And as we saw, he almost did at Neji's death which thereby proves AGAIN this misconception of yours is still that; a misconception

3.) You do not understand Neji's plight or his choice. Neji believed it was his destiny to die protecting a main household member, whether he liked it or not. He believed he was created for that sole purpose and it was impossible to break the mold until Naruto showed him that a failure can stand tall if he truly believes he can and upon hearing of his father's valiance. "But Neji did die protecting a main house member!" EXACTLY? But do you know why?

Because he WANTED to. He CHOSE to. He DECIDED that was his path. He didn't let destiny dictate how he life would be spent or that he would die to protect Hinata, a superior over him. He died to protect Hinata, a family member he cared about greatly, and Naruto, a friend he knew will change the world. What some of you Neji-mongoloids don't grasp is this was all CHOICE and thereby, that NEGATES destiny altogether. Naruto could have thrown up his hands at any point in time and said "**** it", just as he almost did, but he chooses NOT TO. Why? Because he is blasting down the path he believes in. Not to mention the gifts he recieved from his parents are negligible as is MANGA CANON itself.
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He EARNED everything he's received; he was born with a curse and made it into a blessing, he trained til his body couln't take it anymore for Rasenshuriken and Sage Mode, he battled a demon and removed his hate to grant him Kurama's power, he gave the Bijuu hope and wrecked them in that dust-up to prove his love, attaining all of their powers. The ONLY power you could argue was a handout was his Six Path's Senjutsu, and even that is mostly earned as his way of life and disposition is reminiscent of Ashura's, ergo, the correct way which is needed to lead the world.

TL;DR - Just ****ing read it. It's people like you that shit on Neji's character and the story's conceptualized meaning and message and it's make me sick to my stomach to see you plebs perpetuate this bullshit.

If it wasn't clear enough, I disagree vehemently with everything. Kakashi's Kamui is boss and is representative of his past and his very characterization, as is Naruto and the Kurama/Bijuudama. You are free to dislike them as you choose, but your scaffolding for doing so is not valid except for MAYBE on the point of Kamui gimping Kakashi's arsenal.

The other two points are easily predictable as this is shounen. If it's mentioned, it will be shown. Whether or not you like that is, again, up to you. But it's not against the grain or in spite of anything presented beforehand.
 
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@SageFlash, Stormblast, hixa kuogame; I'll reply to your posts fully tomorrow later on in the day. I'm at least happy that there's something people are putting forth to discuss rather than let my thread be forgotten after several posts.
 

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While I may not be fond of Madara; I don't see what Kaguya can add that Madara can't. The entire Aizen-esque planning that happened last chapter just sickened me. I am glad that everything and everyone was manipulated by this one being who sat in the shadows of everyone else, who was manipulating others...

I would agree with you on that, if it felt like they added in kaguya just because it seemed like they needed to fill space within this arduously long war. Which I think we all agree should have already ended by now. This is coming from a huge fan of Madara! The way theyve pushed him as the main antagonist was brilliantly done, and for him to take a backseat to this kaguya seems kind of unnecessary. We've all been built up to watch how this story was going to an end, and from my perspective was let down by this whole Black Zetsu story. For arguments sake, it's a plausible storyline, but to realize everything was put into motion by some weird shadow being that manifested from the will of some character from generations ago seems rather disappointing. I.E. Bring back Madara or we will riot lol.
 

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I completely agree with everything that you have posted, great post.

I think Kishi should have left the origins of chakra and the whole So6P a mystery, a legend and so on that we fans could speculate on, he didn't have to explain this, I think the focus should have stayed on the Shinobi's.

The powers have also increased a bit too much for my liking, I really enjoyed Naruto manga's style of fighting, it wasn't just a test of who's more powerful. It was about strategy more than anything, this aspect of fighting in Naruto has been completely abandoned and now it's all about megazords, energy spheres, flying et cetera.
 
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Nah only sakura should be added ... And u should stop reading naruto
 

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At girl Rin without out her tons of bs and lame back flashes could have been avoided
 

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Kakashi's Kamui is no different from one shot genjutsu like Tsukuyomi,inextinguishable flames or chakra Megazords.
At least Kamui is a plot device that had to exist for the sole reason of countering the main antagonist.
The sharingan upgrades derailed the series..
I agree with you about the Ootsuki family,the manga has shifted the focus from ''Naruto's road to Hokage'' to a random ancient family resolving their 1000 year old issues.
 
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Kakashi's Kamui is no different from one shot genjutsu like Tsukuyomi,inextinguishable flames or chakra Megazords.
At least Kamui is a plot device that had to exist for the sole reason of countering the main antagonist.

Actually it was made so obiot could keep up with the boyz otherwise he be dead long time ago
 

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I feel the nuking should have been toned down to a much lower level. I don't think kishi should have even let all the tailed beast use bijuudama, rather he should have only allowed kurama to use that technique while all the other tailed beasts get their own elemental variat like Yuugito's explosive fireball or Bee's bijuuwave. They should never have let BM Naruto do stuff like , they should have made his maximum bijuudama much smaller than that.
They also should not have allowed KCM Naruto the ability to make 13 bunshins that had the power to beat kage level ninjas.
they should have also just eliminated BM Naruto's avatar completely and forced him to fight in human form.

There's just way too many giant chakra monsters running around with the ability to wipe out a mountain range. Susanoo has also become bland, just like sennin mode. At first susanoo was cool, it was something that was only itachi's, then we get sasuke and madara spamming that technique. Sennin mode was also jiraiya's identity, next thing we know SM naruto, SM hashirama, SM kabuto, SM Madara, everyone with a cursed seal technically had a form of sage mode.

So basically, less nuking, less chakra constructs, and make the powers that characters use unique to the point where the top tiers have powers that are basically a major part of their character/identity.
 

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It seems people saw OP as someone who hates on "whole" manga is all about.
It is completely opposite, Europa is showing things he dislikes what manga is not about, or was not at some point.

All those points he listed are related to things which contradicted to what this manga shown as themes. Cheap techs like bijudaama or kamui being spammed is out of ninja description, it is true author would have own incarnation of ninja but them using pseudo Marvel/DBZ attacks was way out or it.

Ootsuki family overshadowed what this manga was about, rich and multiple characters that made series relatable and likable to everyone as anyone can like someone from this serie. Now they all cast aside for 10 chapter old no developing cardboard cuts.

Hokage revieval indeed ruin "new gen surpasses old" thing. It was plain fanservice, that's why everybody likes it. And somehow they pull the card of "but they were only ones to be able to save" wth Kishi is the author he draws and allience can save themselves.

Underdog theme is totally shat upon to make main character relevant and fanservice. I seriously see Naruto fanboys who say "Lawd Nardo child of prophecy savior of world etc." Clearly it works. Not just bijuu thing, it is also being child of prophecy, reincarnation etc...

Totally agreed. Would like to rep but gotta spread.
I would also add all MS jutsu not just kamui, prophect garbage and cringe worthy power ups.
 

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So, practically every major plot element introduced in at least the last 100 chapters is bad. If everything mentioned was taken out, there wouldn't be much plot left at all.

I don't care that much for Kakashi's sharingan, but it served as a connection to Obito. The Hokages return helped flesh out the past of the shinobi world a lot. The Otsutsuki family is THE central plot element not only since Kaguya's return. Taking them out would nullify Kishi's story. And Kurama's bond to Naruto was slowly built up ever since part I.
 

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In this thread I am going to make a small list of events, techniques, or even characters that just shouldn't of been added into the Naruto Universe. Feel free to disagree, make your own lists, or comment on my own.




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Kamui

Kamui, namely Kakashi's variant of the Mangekyou technique, is a plain insult to the series and Kakashi's character. The shinobi who was famed for copying a thousand techniques and even having created original jutsu such as raikiri turned into a common spammer with this Sharingan technique. With such a powerful technique that, up until recently he has only begun to suffer severe consequences and characters could counter it effectively. It discouraged him using different techniques that he surely has, for why would he use them when he can just use Kamui? Don't get me wrong, at first I was okay with the technique. Such as when he struggled to warp away Deidara's arm. But, later on in the series he either had used it an enormous amount instead of opting to use his plethora of techniques. Or, for the sake of the story he would not use this technique. I find it to just be sloppy writing when you need to constantly restrict a character for absolutely no reason due to them being too powerful. I.E. Why he didn't warp away the Deva path and targeted the nail projectile instead.

I am happy to see him lose the Sharingan altogether, but the damage has been done. The copy ninja was reduced to three trick cat. I can at least take Obito's Kamui a bit better, him being a major antagonist and generally they need to be powerful. Not to mention numbers combats his version near perfectly. For Kakashi's? He'll be able to comfortably defeat ninja with Kamui despite being out numbered.

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The Otsutsuki Family​

Was this family really needed? Or, at least did they really need to be given the attention that Kishi has pushed onto them? I find them all to be bland, and the reincarnation story to demean both Sasuke and Naruto. That, instead of just being those who had skill and power in their own right they were promised it by being the reincarnations of the deity of the Naruto Universe. Kaguya, I won't mention too much. Other than she came out of no where and really could of just been the forerunner for Madara instead of actually taking Madara over. Hagoromo was decent, he said and did what he needed to and got out quickly. Let's hope we stays out of the picture now. But, I don't see why he was needed in the first place other than to give Naruto and Sasuke a last minute power boost. The story could of been fine without him. Let's keep him an enigma, a long since dead entity that history has eroded all but little evidence of.

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The Hokage​

I don't expect many to agree with me on this one, but I feel as if other than Hashirama, Hiruzen and possibly Tobirama, they didn't have much of a purpose. Sasuke wanted answers, that is fine. Dandy. But, couldn't he have gone to the other who knows everything? Madara, who was very much around at that point. Maybe, maybe not. But the fact that we had the Hokages run around as Edo Tensei, who were practically immortal and unstoppable was just a killer of any tension the Juubi had. Not to mention they all managed to capture the Ten Tails like it was a mere pet, caging it. I mean, really? Couldn't Sasuke, Naruto, and the Alliance have had done something themselves again or battled it their own way. At the very least don't make Hashirama so obnoxiously powerful. When Obito became the Ten Tails Jinchuuriki, the mistake was corrected slightly. But the idea of the long dead now defending the living for the sake of the future just. . Was it not said the young surpass the old? I think this message got lost somewhere in this story. It might disappoint some to see the Hokage's not touched upon, but Kishi could of used different mediums to give us their stories. Much like Kushina telling Naruto what happened when he was born, we could of gotten information through others giving detailed accounts of the previous Hokage's instead.

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Kurama, Naruto, Bijuu Bombs

This also won't be well liked, I feel. But I don't like what was done with Kurama and Naruto. The vicious demon that we have seen for hundreds of chapters was turned into a small child fox, crying sadly. I get that he might not have always been dark or evil. But at least have Kurama be far too gone to make a return. It's this kind of thing that made me lose interest in Naruto's character. The way he turned Kurama into a teammate, when the Kyuubi trying to break free was one of the more interesting sub plots that Naruto had going for him. The Bijuu Bomb at first was tolerable. Even when Bee used it as a perfect Jinchuuriki. But, really. Being able to spam these attacks as if they were nothing when each can comfortably destroy a mountain is just asinine. It puts Naruto, the under dog, on a whole new level. Yes, he should eventually break free from the original weak and sloppy characteristics Kishi had set for Naruto. But, that was just a massive jump in power that made me feel uncomfortable. Even for Bee, spamming these attacks isn't interesting in the least. There's no enjoyment from massive energy spheres hitting each other. At least, that's not the reason I was drawn to the series in the first place. Kyuubi Chakra Mode I could tolerate, as there were negative side effects and his power wasn't quite at the tipping point. But as soon as he got full access to Kurama...



So, my miniature rant is over. I hope I didn't offend or bother anyone with it. What do you think either hurt the series or just wasn't worth the time to introduce?

Disagree on all accounts. :)
 

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I think this whole thought of questioning plot elements "if they are needed" is complete nonsense. Of course you could somehow put together a story without this or that. But really, Kishi wants to tell a certain story he came up with and he likes. He doesn't just want to do what is "needed".
 

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It seems people saw OP as someone who hates on "whole" manga is all about.
It is completely opposite, Europa is showing things he dislikes what manga is not about, or was not at some point.
No, he's hating on the very premise of this manga and shounen genre in general. All of things mentioned were going to be revealed at some point. Names of people and places aren't just brought up in shounen unless it is to be revealed ; and have some prevalence; it's a staple of this archetype of story. Not only that, it whitewashes the messages Kishi is attempting to send and is counter-intuitive on all fronts with presented information. Did you expect NOT to find out the origins of chakra at some point and how the ninja world was started?

This is called closure. Kishi is wrapping up much needed plot points and is using progenitors of this very world as the props. To expect otherwise is against basic rules of rhetoric and storytelling 101.

All those points he listed are related to things which contradicted to what this manga shown as themes. Cheap techs like bijudaama or kamui being spammed is out of ninja description, it is true author would have own incarnation of ninja but them using pseudo Marvel/DBZ attacks was way out or it.
This is pure conjecture on your and OP's point. It's what YOU believe ninjas should be about. This people of Naruto have been overpowered from day 1, unless you think summoning death gods, emitting massive water dragons, and creating pulses of lightning from your hands is actual ninja tech. And if that's the case, your vision and idea of ninja is right in line with Kishi's, your preference just remains on a smaller scale. I don't know about you, but I've never heard of ninja able to destroy cities with snake pets or lock people in unbreakable, 1 shot hypnosis. This is hypocrisy at it's finest and reveals only a want to keep the character's powers from progressing as YOU please.

Ootsuki family overshadowed what this manga was about, rich and multiple characters that made series relatable and likable to everyone as anyone can like someone from this serie. Now they all cast aside for 10 chapter old no developing cardboard cuts.
Again, the Ootsutsuki family are the reason for everything that's arisen and it's been foreshadowed this way for quite a while. We knew Hashirama was a an absolute god VERY early in the series and that he was just the tip of the iceberg. Gaara's and Naruto's plight as a jinchuriki and reason for their lives and Gaara's villain tenure? Stems from the Ootsutsuki and hatred. Jiraiya's wandering and questing for peace and tenure with Naruto? Stems from the Ootsutsuki family in various ways. Every major problem can be traced to a greater cause and that cause is what is being dealt with NOW. It's a tie-in to the story and is completely logical, the only rational detraction would be simply if you don't like how it's being told or something called story progression.

Hokage revieval indeed ruin "new gen surpasses old" thing. It was plain fanservice, that's why everybody likes it. And somehow they pull the card of "but they were only ones to be able to save" wth Kishi is the author he draws and allience can save themselves.
The very definition of a no true Scotsman fallacy. Pitiful.

Underdog theme is totally shat upon to make main character relevant and fanservice. I seriously see Naruto fanboys who say "Lawd Nardo child of prophecy savior of world etc." Clearly it works. Not just bijuu thing, it is also being child of prophecy, reincarnation etc...
In no way, shape, or form is this true. Naruto is the Child of Prophecy. Naruto is the saviour of the world. Of course the vast majority of readers will wank and love it, that's what these stories are made for. This fallacy of shitting upon themes has already been debunking time and time again in this very thread alone.

As earlier stated, the Prophecy is most assuredly congruent with all prior development of not only Naruto and Sasuke, but the story as a whole, unless you cherry pick details and smash them together like a child throwing a tantrum. The purpose of said Prophecy gives Naruto and Sasuke's roles a transcendent touch and feel; an actual backbone in their quests. There's a reason their VoTE fight was shown at the statues of Madara and Hashirama. There's a reason why a wandering nin who searched for peace high and low was Naruto's master and Sasuke comes from the clan of ocular prowess. It increases the breadth of how encompassing this massive conflict is, and the eminence of those involved on all cylinders. The broken, corrupt shinobi world is at stake and the catalysts and mainplayers have inherited a burden that has plagued mankind since the days of Kaguya, which further brings in her role and the Otsutsuki role. She's the FIRST link in the chain and is the root cause of all suffering, ergo, she must be dealt with. Her tangibility is necessary for the story to continue and the famed prophecy was created to add diameter and substance.

The concurrent theme of this work is COOPERATION and UNITY through 2 opposing forces finding the perfect balance and healing a turbulent society. How this detracts from the copious amounts of hard work Naruto and others have put in is just senseless hating and completely illogical. Naruto was born with a curse and suffered his entire life of it. He was put through hell and back because of something completely out of his control, because of the rash judgement and misunderstanding of human nature, the TRUE enemy and FV of this series. Like I mentioned earlier, you can wrongly throw this shit on top of the prophecy and shit out the idea that Naruto and Sasuke were destined for it, but that only serves to convey one's own ignorance of reincarnation and the Prophecy, especially within Asian society where it is quite a large role. Naruto and Sasuke =/= Ashura and Indra. They are merely transmigrants in a cycle, "possessed by a ghost" as Naruto put it is the best way to describe it. That in no way indicates the course of their lives, actions, caliber, or justification. To spew such farcical opinion as fact is borderline insulting to that entire hemisphere and reveals only a glaring ignorance on those who preach against. Again, whether or not you like it is completely up to you, but to say such blatant wrongs as quoted is unhinged and criminally retarded. The confines have been laid out to us in a fashion inside written media for 12 year olds, but adults on this website can't grasp it. Ironic, is it not?

Totally agreed. Would like to rep but gotta spread.
I would also add all MS jutsu not just kamui, prophect garbage and cringe worthy power ups.
So you have nothing but a "poor me" rant and marry it to the views of somebody else? Does the phrase "misery loves company" mean anything to you? This is that personified and, as shown, you have little to no scaffolding to stand on and rely on basic diatribe of Kishi and his story with no merit to roll with. Not only have you presented the no true Scotsman trope, but a strawman argument in textbook form. Congratulations. As the others have pointed out, you and OP merely dislike this story and the type of story it represents. Nothing more, nothing less.
 

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The only things this series shouldn't have added was:

-Naruto and Sakura's obsession of Sasuke.
-Nagato and Konan's Tnj
-Obito's motives for being a villain.
 
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If you think i am going to reply all that, you are delusional.

You gave me an essay on the thngs i have heard of many times, or merely took things out of context.

I am not busting a wall of text over this so let me clear it point by point.
No, he's hating on the very premise of this manga and shounen genre in general.
Didn't knew you read minds.
If you think the whole premise of manga are the 4 things in the op, than maybe i am not the one who does not understand it.
And no, OP does not hate the manga nor shounen genre. I know him over a year.


All of things mentioned were going to be revealed at some point. Names of people and places aren't just brought up in shounen unless it is to be revealed ; and have some prevalence; it's a staple of this archetype of story. Not only that, it whitewashes the messages Kishi is attempting to send and is counter-intuitive on all fronts with presented information. Did you expect NOT to find out the origins of chakra at some point and how the ninja world was started?

This is called closure. Kishi is wrapping up much needed plot points and is using progenitors of this very world as the props. To expect otherwise is against basic rules of rhetoric and storytelling 101.

Yeah because these cardboard card excuse of Addams were developed right?
What happen to the characters people actually grown to care in time?

This is pure conjecture on your and OP's point. It's what YOU believe ninjas should be about. This people of Naruto have been overpowered from day 1, unless you think summoning death gods, emitting massive water dragons, and creating pulses of lightning from your hands is actual ninja tech. And if that's the case, your vision and idea of ninja is right in line with Kishi's, your preference just remains on a smaller scale. I don't know about you, but I've never heard of ninja able to destroy cities with snake pets or lock people in unbreakable, 1 shot hypnosis. This is hypocrisy at it's finest and reveals only a want to keep the character's powers from progressing as YOU please.

I don't know about you but i can distinguish a water dragon and a continent scale nuclear blast. Of course tiers would went up, but in span of few chapters, people like Juubito, 8G Gai, Hashirama wen from near God levels to utter fodder to top tiers.

The very definition of a no true Scotsman fallacy. Pitiful.
Pitiful as we do not share the same opinion. Nice.

In no way, shape, or form is this true. Naruto is the Child of Prophecy. Naruto is the saviour of the world. Of course the vast majority of readers will wank and love it, that's what these stories are made for.
Oh lawd... this is where i stop.

To spew such farcical opinion as fact is borderline insulting to that entire hemisphere and reveals only a glaring ignorance on those who preach against. Again, whether or not you like it is completely up to you, but to say such blatant wrongs as quoted is unhinged and criminally retarded. The confines have been laid out to us in a fashion inside written media for 12 year olds, but adults on this website can't grasp it. Ironic, is it not?

Did my opinion rustle you enough to think that someone who merely does not share the same view with you is outright ignorant and criminally retarted? Do you know how you sound?
Sorry i did not get moved from the the reincarnation theme as much as your wall of text suggested.

So you have nothing but a "poor me" rant and marry it to the views of somebody else?
Did that upset you? No i would add them to my own oinion not somebody else's. Taking my words out of context.

Congratulations. As the others have pointed out, you and OP merely dislike this story and the type of story it represents. Nothing more, nothing less.
Thanks you for reading my mind.
I like many things about this story. It probably has my favorite fighting styles, certain themes and arcs are great and some characters are among my favorite fictional characters and i rarely get into characters. I would not be here if i hated it.
 

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Zetsu and anything history-wise beyond Hashirama and Madara is entirely unnecessary in my opinion.

Great effort in the thread, I agree with most of those points and it's nice to see other people put so much work into their threads. Personally although I wasn't and am still not a big fan of the 4 Edo Hokage...I do think as a whole they are a good inclusion. I even made a rant thread about it:
They're useful for the development of Sasuke and Naruto, impressive to see feat-wise viscerally if that's your thing and just plain fun to actually meet them (even if the only one i remotely like is tobirama coughcough)

Kamui is an annoying overhyped power but it's annoying nature mostly is created by the fanbase- there are worse jutsu out there in terms of actually not fitting into the story (Izanami, Rinne Tensei, Totsuka Blade etc) Because Obito's usage of the jutsu is interesting. If Kakashi was just given the same exact abilities as Obito but was inexperienced with it there'd be no reason to cut it.
 
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