[Theory] What other people do you think possess CoC Haki?
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this. I think zoro doesn't have it, but will develop his intimidation. it will almost as useful as the emporor's haki.
Who I think has it?
Dragon
Garp
Akainu
Big Mam
Kaido
Smoker
Confirmed:
Luffy
Gol
Shanks
White Beard
Donflamingo
Rayleigh
... i forget
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Smoker and Mugi have fought as many times as Coby and Mugi have (twice).
And you believe what you want but th truth of the matter is Smoker will always be that faggoty Logia who gets one shotted by everyone. LOL.
Bold: You sure about that last time I checked the last two fights we've seen Coby in he was destroyed by Luffy in one shot.
Please Coby has never battled Luffy he's been destroyed by Luffy twice in one hit, while Smoker and Luffy have battled twice yes but at least they where proper fights where it wasn't just one hit and over and has been following/pursuing Luffy since before he entered the Grand line, while Coby hasn't and isn't constantly fighting with Luffy.
OP is about dreams is it not? Mugi said he'll become PK did he not? Coby said he'll become a marine did he not? (goal achieved) Now he said he'll become and Admiral did he not?Dream counteract each other and in this context, Mugi and Coby are both two peas in a pod and Coby's progression rate has been shown to be the best of all characters (greater than Ace's).
And if you say Smoker said he'll capture Mugi then it's true, he did say that. But was it a dream? And moreover, Crocodile said he'll beat Mugi, so did Hodi. See the pattern? When one says they'll beat another, it's almost never done. Yet when one says they aspire to achieve a dream, it is either accomplished or on the road to being achieved.
Hence why Coby is the Garp to Luffy's Roger.
Yeah so what if One Piece is about dreams it has nothing to do with this situation and your making up excuses and ignoring the facts that have already happened in the series.
It's true Coby's dream is to become an admiral but how does that make him the Garp of the new era, Garp's dream was never to become an admiral in fact he was offered the position if I remember and he refused not to mention I doubt Garp's dream was to capture Roger either so your argument collapses on it's self right there.
Coby's relationship to Luffy is no where near the same as what Garps was to Roger since Garp even though he didn't hate Roger he was still his enemy and they both respected that something Coby doesn't do as when ever he see's Luffy excluding the time at Marineford since it was a war Coby has just acted all pally with Luffy.
Then when you look at Smoker he's already notorious for fighting Luffy Loguetown, Alabsata, Punk Hazard (Even though he wasn't in his own body he attacked Luffy the moment he saw him in Tashigi's body) I'm leaving out the Marineford battle since I find it fair that if I'm leaving out Coby's due to it being just war then I should leave out Smokers however I will comment on how Smoker despite being stopped by Hancock still tried to get to Luffy.
Smoker wants to capture Luffy but he also respects Luffy like Garp did with Roger and I should comment Luffy went as far as to battle Smoker in Lougetown so his crew could get away and do you see the similarity of when Garp was talking to Daden about how Roger did the same thing.
So instead of trying to look into things that might be there I think you should look at the stuff that's already been given out and I'll ask,
Out of Smoker and Coby who has been chasing Luffy the same way Garp did to Roger? - Smoker
The only real connection Coby has to Luffy in the case of Roger and Garp is that one is a pirate while the other is a navy soldier, nothing else no rivalry, no close encounters and no constant battling when ever they see each other so you can mention Coby's progress rate all you like I really don't care it doesn't matter One Piece isn't going to continue forever and it's past the half way mark now and still Coby and Luffy have barely fought each other while on the other hand Smoker has.
Roger = Luffy
Garp = Smoker
So until Coby starts chasing Luffy and tries to capture him relentlessly like Garp did to Roger your not going to change my mind.
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So Garp being the one who continues to train Coby doesn't foreshadow anything huh? If it doesn't, why didn't Oda make any other marine teach him?
Also, Mugi did the same against Ao kiji, he told Zolo & Sanji to not fight so they can Robin and get away. And with that statement Ao kiji is the Garp to Mugi's Roger. So that claim doesn't really do anything in regards to this context.
Haha. I have a life mate, that's why I didn't reply immediately U_U
What so because Garp helped train Coby that means he's the new Garp? Roger didn't train Luffy so your argument yet again fails.
Oda didn't need Garp to teach Smoker because Smoker was already strong like Luffy was when they were first introduced and for some reason I don't know why your bringing in characters that aren't in question my statements are about Smoker and Coby not Kuzan.
You can't really prove anything to back up your claim other than possibilities while me...I have plenty of evidence be it by fights interactions that Smoker is the Garp of this era as most pirates are afraid of the white hunter while when it comes to coby nobody is afraid of little pink haired bitch who gets 1 shotted.
I brought up Ao kiji because you posted that Mugi did the same with Smoker what Roger did with Garp, which is give his crew time to escape. And I replied to that by posting Mugi did the same with Ao kiji.
Lastly, as many evidence as you have, there is as much to back Coby's contention of being the Garp to Mugi's Roger.
Eh, no you've only stated that since Coby was trained by Garp that automatically makes him the Garp of this era and you completely ignore what Garp and Roger's relationship was like.
Garp and Roger weren't friends like how Luffy and Coby are, they respected each other and since Garp was tracking Roger for so long he began to understand Roger as a person the same way Smoker is doing with Luffy as Smoker and Luffy aren't friends but when it comes down to it both Luffy and Smoker respect each other it was the reason why Luffy didn't beat him up when he was Tashigi's body.
Finally let's say your right for one second I'd never accept Coby being the Garp of this era since he's not badass enough, he doesn't have pirates fearing his name.
Coby didn't get the insane power up from the skip for no reason.
Coby is the true rival to Luffy. I'd like to think Coby is like Garp. I can see why some think Smoker is but I dunno
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He got a power up yeah, but there's more to just being strong if he want's to be the next Garp, Garp followed Roger whenever he heard any news of him just for the sake of capturing him, same with Smoker man he even transferred division to continue his pursuit of Luffy, for Coby to become the Garp of this era he has to have a famous reputation when it comes to fighting pirates such as Luffy.
He needs to be shown as a hero in some sorts like Smoker is by the navy and needs to be known for constantly chasing afte Luffy like Smoker is.
People seem to believe Coby is the next Garp purely on the fact he was trained by Garp and is Luffy's friend when in reality of the situation he is nothing like the Garp of Roger's era I can tell you now for a fact that Smoker is acting more like the Garp from Roger's era.
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Well we haven't even seen Coby P-TS so we can't assume that he is not know throughout the world. Also, the fact that CC didn't even know who Mugi was shows that as of now it's alright if you are not known in the NW. And the reason no one knew Coby in Paradise is because he was always training with Garp and now he may have made a name for himself.
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Keep pitchin'.
It's true we don't know much of Coby's power now but like you I'll assume that Smoker is stronger, plus you can't make a name for yourself of someone else that's pathetic if Coby is gonna make a name for himself than he has to do it by himself like Smoker has also for him to be well known that also means he has to be well known in paradise and the new world...like Smoker is.
Also in regards to the picture you do realize you fail as you only showed the last part of the fight and ignored the full fight Smoker had with Law and not to mention if Coby was fighting Law he'd of started crying.
What I was trying to imply wasn't that Garp will directly be the cause of Coby's name but be a reason for it. Just like how no one knew who Mugi was in the NW even though he did all this crap. But now since it's been spread across the world that he's the son of the most wanted man and brother of the PK's son, he is getting known in the NW. And this is Off-topis but it does relate, do you think that id he met Akagami now, he'd give his hat back? I would say no because Mugi isn't the great pirate Akagami wants him to be. Yes in Parardise he is GREATER THAN GREAT. But once you make a name for yourself in the NW, that's when you a great. And how this relates to this discussion is that I believe Oda is allowing a small gap between both Coby's and Mugi's prgression rate in terms of getting known.
As for the image, Law was just toying with Smoker. Do you actually think that Law was giving it his all in the fight like Smoker was? Even though at the end, he calmly took out Smoker's heart.
Luffy was well known before it was announced he was Dragon's son trust me he's still referred to as one of the 11 supernova pirates when other pirates meet him e'g Brownbeard referred to Luffy as one of the pirates from the worst generation.
Luffy made a name for himself through defeating a warlord and invading Enies lobby, the old mermaid even said that Luffy's name will roar around the world, so my point is he was well known before his lineage was revealed.
You said Coby will make a name for himself in the NW yes...well I can't say your wrong since we haven't seen enough of the NW but you can't say your right either so I'll settle with that however on another note Smoker is making a name for himself in the NW especially with the Navy as he was the one to help stop the events on Punk Hazard from happening and will be making a name for himself again already in the NW.
The fact of the matter is Coby hasn't been shown or even mentioned in the NW while Smoker has and has been involved in an arc. Unless Coby does some extreme feat he'll never be a feared legend in navy like Garp was to the pirates and judging by how the series is past halfway he'd have to do some extreme feat.
Yes Mugi made a name for himself. But it only roared in Paradise as I already stated. But in the NW, not so much.
Anyhow, it appears this discussion is all based on speculation from my behalf so I guess until Coby is canonly, reintroduced, we can't continue this.