What Naruto manga is actually?(Opinions,Confusion,Like or Dislike)

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Ok, I knew NB members is wise, smart, good, logical and still youth

Here I want to discuss about something

LET START WITH NARUTO OPENING OR THE BEGINNING OF NARUTO

-In first chapter we start with some diagram or drawing about Kyuubi, Kyuubi is the creature or entity that can cause a massive damage like Tsunami, level a land, destroyed a mountain or cities. Also later we learn about chakra.

As the above statement said we knew that Naruto world would having to be abnormal or uncommon or different type of Ninja ecosystem or natural law altogether compares to our world meaning of Ninja.

But in the biginning of the series, Naruto's Ninja still is ground to earth, using strategy, tactic, technic, kunai, shuriken, knife, bamboo etc. And also they use somekind of small scaled magic that we called them as jutsus.

Going forward we confront, found and learn about Sharingan and Byakugan eyes and it power that owned by Uchiha and Hyuuga clans. And latter we found about Rinnegan and also its power

OK, starting from, Kyuubi, chakra, Sharingan, Byakugan, and Rinnegan, we the fans or the readers knows or should knows that this manga will become different typed of Ninja altogether. But we still like it. That my question is, but hold that first.

OK, we go straight to Rinnegan, we knew much of it abilities is when Pain turn to go fight after other Akatsuki members is finished, and the pinnacle of this eyes power in that time is when Deva Pain shows us ST, BT, and CT.

Taking from that events, we must automatically can catched that this is not Ninja matters anymore, but it turn to completely alien, but many peoples still OK with it, and like or love of how Naruto verse have up their power level ranking.

And come the part 2 of Naruto called Shipudden

In this part two power level going skyrocket when KCM Naruto is introduced, ISO susanoo and Shinsuusenju is introduced later on, and then Juubi, finally Juubi jin plus Hago and Kaguya. Many like it and many dont like it

Especially the introduction of Juubi jin and Kaguya with other Otsutsuki, There are people who like it because it help increased Naruto verse power level but also many peoples that dislike it because its out of Naruto original themed that is about 'NINJA'.

Many blame Hago and Kaguya with Otsutsuki because they help in turning Naruto manga into DBZ because of bringing high power level. They said-'Kaguya and Otsutsuki turn Naruto into DBZ series' 'they turn Naruto into alien series'

but also have peoples that blame Kaguya and Otsutsuki for turning Naruto into garbage fight series without HtH combat, good strategies, asspull, etc. That thing have drag down Naruto series quality

That mean there are two reason why Otsutsuki and Kaguya is not like as Man of Sin thread have shown yesterday
-one, Otsutsuki turn Naruto into DBZ manga not a ninja manga
-two, Otsutsuki turning fighting scene to lower quality fight

But the point here is,we go back to my actual point for these thread.

What is actually fans here look for Naruto manga? Power scale or Good quality series or both side.

In shonen, power scale or looking for power scale or level cant being separeted by many fan right?

the higher the power level, the good for many fans because they can mock or insult or put down the rival verse fans. If your berse dont having high power level, sure you will be put in shamed because other verse is superior in power level than Naruto verse or vice versa.

Good story also is important for many fans although Shonen is about fight and power, because that many Naruto fans rage at what Kishi have done.

But what make me confused is many fan like power level, and also like good story, when you said you dislike power level or very high power level, why you go to defend Naruto series when this verse is being put to up against Bleach or OP or DBZ verse. All I see is many fans will support what power Naruto have even support Kaguya also, but in behind they mock Kaguya because she made Naruto manga become worst

My question for members here whàt actually you looking on Naruto Manga? What actually you supporting here?
 
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Its true lol the power scaling does have an impact on how many people read. Like who dafuq will read a shonen that has people using guns and shit? But like DBZ, Bleach and Naruto when you have people doing OP techs it's really interesting and gets you into the zone. You start picking favs, comparing their style with others and etc. A cool story line also has an effect.​
 

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Its true lol the power scaling does have an impact on how many people read. Like who dafuq will read a shonen that has people using guns and shit? But like DBZ, Bleach and Naruto when you have people doing OP techs it's really interesting and gets you into the zone. You start picking favs, comparing their style with others and etc. A cool story line also has an effect.​
Yes, you have a point there, but for me what actually fans here really looking on Naruto verse, they many times mocking or dislike Naruto power scale bur many also liked it.

But the truth is what actually the matters that they really not satisfied with?
 

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Yes, you have a point there, but for me what actually fans here really looking on Naruto verse, they many times mocking or dislike Naruto power scale bur many also liked it.

But the truth is what actually the matters that they really not satisfied with?
During part 1, many had were fans of fodders. When those fodders became irrelevant in part 2 they mostly jumped on Kakashi's D or naruto or sasuke. When they see that their characters can't compete with another characters fanbase they get mad and start editting manga's to make themselves feel better Lol. Yeah, and mostly just aren't satisfied with the plot (during the end). The pain arc was the best tbh.​
 

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During part 1, many had were fans of fodders. When those fodders became irrelevant in part 2 they mostly jumped on Kakashi's D or naruto or sasuke. When they see that their characters can't compete with another characters fanbase they get mad and start editting manga's to make themselves feel better Lol. Yeah, and mostly just aren't satisfied with the plot (during the end). The pain arc was the best tbh.​
That mean they dont have a problem with power level like busting a cities or countries or the power Otsutsukis brought here?

because pain power can destroyed the city, that power is not ninja anymore.

the problem is how the story is wrote by kishi, its like that?
 

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That mean they dont have a problem with power level like busting a cities or countries or the power Otsutsukis brought here?

the problem is how the story is wrote by kishi, its like that?
I don't think anyone has problem with power level l0l busting countries is actually badass. But most people have a problem with how the story ended :)
 

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Having a good story and having characters being high in power level are not mutually exclusive - the story of Naruto is beautiful and it has touched my life in many ways. Of course, that is the most I can say - I can't speak for everyone, but really how good Naruto is is entirely subjective, you can't gauge art - only the impact it has.

Off topic: I really like your avatar - I am a flaming fan of Warriors Orochi
 

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There is a fine balance of quality and power that is needed imho. The thing about the Otsutsuki's and Juubi Jins is that if they were to use their full power without being restricted their power tier is so many leagues above others that they need to be restricted. Take Juubi Jins Madara and Obito for example: Obito lost because "his will was faltering" in a sword manipulated from Gudoudama. Madara lost because of the "plot twist" that finish him and the Juubi. Both Madara and Obito's arsenal was restricted to mainly Gudoudama manipulation. Why would someone who has other abilities mainly rely on a new ability..? I get that it was very useful but it isn't very practical. It's not like they had mastery of Gudoudama techs and manipulation compaired to some of their other techs they spent years learning and mastery. Another example: Madara lost his Gunbai which was his main weapon. Lol

The thing about people being "fans" of stronger characters is more power bandwagoning. Lol
 

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Having a good story and having characters being high in power level are not mutually exclusive - the story of Naruto is beautiful and it has touched my life in many ways. Of course, that is the most I can say - I can't speak for everyone, but really how good Naruto is is entirely subjective, you can't gauge art - only the impact it has.

Off topic: I really like your avatar - I am a flaming fan of Warriors Orochi
Thanks for you rep and compliment
 

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There is a fine balance of quality and power that is needed imho. The thing about the Otsutsuki's and Juubi Jins is that if they were to use their full power without being restricted their power tier is so many leagues above others that they need to be restricted. Take Juubi Jins Madara and Obito for example: Obito lost because "his will was faltering" in a sword manipulated from Gudoudama. Madara lost because of the "plot twist" that finish him and the Juubi. Both Madara and Obito's arsenal was restricted to mainly Gudoudama manipulation. Why would someone who has other abilities mainly rely on a new ability..? I get that it was very useful but it isn't very practical. It's not like they had mastery of Gudoudama techs and manipulation compaired to some of their other techs they spent years learning and mastery. Another example: Madara lost his Gunbai which was his main weapon. Lol

The thing about people being "fans" of stronger characters is more power bandwagoning. Lol
Power bandwagon is one thing, but what fans of Naruto want his beloved verse is below Bleach or OP even for not power bandwagon fan, right.

OK, for me as you, authors must balanced their verse power level. Even when he need to push up the power level to country busting, they must compensated it or balanced it with strong story writing. But that mean Ninja theme will lost
 

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Power bandwagon is one thing, but what fans of Naruto want his beloved verse is below Bleach or OP even for not power bandwagon fan, right.

OK, for me as you, authors must balanced their verse power level. Even when he need to push up the power level to country busting, they must compensated it or balanced it with strong story writing. But that mean Ninja theme will lost
Yeah, but it was NV was above or equal Bleach and OP verse for the war and up to when Edo Madara was first shown.

I agree, but it could still have been Ninja themed even with Juubi Jins, just if the Otsutsuki family weren't in. Two out of the three Juubi Jins were still Shinobi and Madara still used a few Ninjutsu. I don't think Obito did, but Juubi Jins are basically the pinical of Shinobi might, "Gods". But none of the Otsutsuki were Shinobi and yet more powerful than Shinobi, but Prime Madara is probably a bit above Hagoromo. It completely blows the Ninja theme out the window.
 

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Yeah, but it was NV was above or equal Bleach and OP verse for the war and up to when Edo Madara was first shown.

I agree, but it could still have been Ninja themed even with Juubi Jins, just if the Otsutsuki family weren't in. Two out of the three Juubi Jins were still Shinobi and Madara still used a few Ninjutsu. I don't think Obito did, but Juubi Jins are basically the pinical of Shinobi might, "Gods". But none of the Otsutsuki were Shinobi and yet more powerful than Shinobi, but Prime Madara is probably a bit above Hagoromo. It completely blows the Ninja theme out the window.
Yes, sure it will blow Ninja theme to oblivion either from Otsutsuki or from Juubi jins, Ninja is not one that blow out whole villages in one move

if we stick with ninja that mean apart from otsutsuki and juubi jin, Shinsuusenju and Susanoo to PS, should not been exist or created also. Same as rinnegan eyes.

I like to know how that Naruto verse looks like, how powerfull will it be?
 

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Yes, sure it will blow Ninja theme to oblivion either from Otsutsuki or from Juubi jins, Ninja is not one that blow out whole villages in one move

if we stick with ninja that mean apart from otsutsuki and juubi jin, Shinsuusenju and Susanoo to PS, should not been exist or created also. Same as rinnegan eyes.

I like to know how that Naruto verse looks like, how powerfull will it be?
The bolds are pushing the boundaries, but at least it had Ninja's doing it and it was all pretty unique and interesting. But like I said, they are the peaks of Shinobi that makes the users seem god-like amongst the "fodder".

Dunno. :coffee:
 
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