What makes people think that Kaguya had byakugan before eating the chakara fruit?

[1Told]

We never saw her without the Rinnegan Sharingan either.



Databook says that the Byakugan started with her. So it isn't alien stuff.

of course it's alien, Kaguya is not human and neither is the weird tree feeding itself on human lives, her people were searching and protecting that stuff for a reason and she ate the taboo fruit knowing it would gave her more power to achieve what she wanted to do.

the fruit just helped her to express her full potential, all these powerful eyes are her alien heritage transmitted to some special clans whom are part human and part alien like the Hyuuga, the Uchiha, the Uzumaki

 

[MAN OF SIN]

of course it's alien, Kaguya is not human and neither is the weird tree feeding itself on human lives, her people were searching and protecting that stuff for a reason and she ate the taboo fruit knowing it would gave her more power to achieve what she wanted to do.

the fruit just helped her to express her full potential, all these powerful eyes are her alien heritage transmitted to some special clans whom are part human and part alien like the Hyuuga, the Uchiha, the Uzumaki

Nice fan theory.

 

[1Told]

Nice fan theory.

it make sense

 

[chaos control]

A thing to take into consideration...those pictures depicting Kaguya were made by Hagoromo who couldn't have seen his mothers original form before eating the fruit. and in the picture of her seeking the fruit she is already depicted as having the Rinne Sharigan.

If we don't discard Madara's history lesson...then after Kaguya was sealed away, Hagoromo shared some chakra with humanity but they used it to connect their spiritual and physical energies to form chakra of their own...suggesting they had the ingredients for chakra, but not the ability/knowledge to create it.

even the whole Otsutsuki clan are Aliens thing is vague and unconfirmed.

It is confirmed that they are aliens. The 4th databook says that they arrived from another world about 1000 years ago.

 

[Ansatsuken]

I will give a short answer and hope it will help.

-Byakugan is Kaguya biology eyes from the first time she was born from her mother.

-she is an alien

-She dont has chakra before she ate the fruit, but that doesn't mean her eyes not had any special ability.

-I think her eyes only has an abilities to open up Dimensional portal, 360 degree view point and far distances view but after eating the chakra fruit, she gained the ability to see chakra path way.

-That's mean, after she ate the Chakra fruit, chakra fruit power assimilated with her physical and spiritual energy and give her chakra system for the first time and enhanced her vision to be able to see through human body and their chakra system.

 

[chaos control]

I will give a short answer and hope it will help.

-Byakugan is Kaguya biology eyes from the first time she was born from her mother.

-she is an alien

-She dont has chakra before she ate the fruit, but that doesn't mean her eyes not had any special ability.

-I think her eyes only has an abilities to open up Dimensional portal, 360 degree view point and far distances view but after eating the chakra fruit, she gained the ability to see chakra path way.

-That's mean, after she ate the Chakra fruit, chakra fruit power assimilated with her physical and spiritual energy and give her chakra system for the first time and enhanced her vision to be able to see through human body and their chakra system.

It has been shown however, that you need chakara to even activate the byakugan.

 

[Ansatsuken]

It has been shown however, that you need chakara to even activate the byakugan.

Sure it has been stated before, but it on Hyuuga POV or more precisely current era of Human POV, not in Kaguya era before chakra fruit consuming.

Show me any scan in the manga or DB that say Kaguya need a chakra to activated her pre-chakra Byakugan

Many peoples here in NB just going with current era manga statement not previous era statement,

Sure we as Naruto manga readers will get many current era statement/information from Hyuuga or any expert sensei, but did they knew what previous era looks like? did Hyuuga knew about Kaguya existance? even Jiraya thought that Hagoromo is some kind of fairy tale.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

IT is special kind of Genejutsu that doesn't use chakra. But the Allience didn't notice that.

Remember when Kushina said that she was "born" with strong chakra?

So why can't itachi's be a "special kind of genjutsu"? The only thing that makes I.T. special is its range. Not to mention it not working on sasuke's bird.

Nope. Never read that. She should have powerful life force and stamina due to her lineage.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

So why can't itachi's be a "special kind of genjutsu"? The only thing that makes I.T. special is its range. Not to mention it not working on sasuke's bird.

Nope. Never read that. She should have powerful life force and stamina due to her lineage.

It wasn't Sharingan Genjutsu since her eyes were normal. IT doesn't reply on a chakra system, as it was done before Ninshū.

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[Ansatsuken]

It wasn't Sharingan Genjutsu since her eyes were normal. IT doesn't reply on a chakra system, as it was done before Ninshū.

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What actually that manga link for? What actually do you want Benjermen Gaye see there?

The country that destroyed in the war told by Kushina have my interpretation there.

Did you want to told him that Uzumaki's country is exist in era before Kaguya and Chakra?

It can be that this country is first exist in Ashura and Indra era, the era after chakra exist

That sure very long history back then maybe reaching thousand or million of years

Before Hashirama and Madara found the first village or country , there is no village system in NV

And war is not just happen before Kaguya era, but happen also after Kaguya era example is demised of Hagoromo clan.

Kushina never told anything about chakra there.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

It wasn't Sharingan Genjutsu since her eyes were normal. IT doesn't reply on a chakra system, as it was done before Ninshū.

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Sharingan genjutsu only makes the eyes change when it's used on animals. When used on humans their eyes stay the same. Kurenai, that girl, danzo, kakashi, deidara, etc is proof of this.

Kushina is obviously referencing her Uzumaki bloodline which I already addressed.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

What actually that manga link for? What actually do you want Benjermen Gaye see there?

The country that destroyed in the war told by Kushina have my interpretation there.

Did you want to told him that Uzumaki's country is exist in era before Kaguya and Chakra?

It can be that this country is first exist in Ashura and Indra era, the era after chakra exist

That sure very long history back then maybe reaching thousand or million of years

Before Hashirama and Madara found the first village or country , there is no village system in NV

And war is not just happen before Kaguya era, but happen also after Kaguya era example is demised of Hagoromo clan.

Kushina never told anything about chakra there.

Sharingan genjutsu only makes the eyes change when it's used on animals. When used on humans their eyes stay the same. Kurenai, that girl, danzo, kakashi, deidara, etc is proof of this.

Kushina is obviously referencing her Uzumaki bloodline which I already addressed.

Middle panel on the left. She mentions being born with strong chakra.

 

[neosmith500]

Nice fan theory.

I think people are forgetting a very important detail about kaguya , the fact that she aspired to create a zetsu army made from "ALL" humans on earth with the intention of war , its that in itself does not prove she is alien then i dont kno wat will.

Furthermore kaguya's appearance before the fruit depicts her as having horns and white eyes , people can try to debunk this sayn that it was written by hago who had no idea of his moms appearance before fruit but in reality it was written by kishi an is our only source to go by in terms of knowing her appearance prior to the fruit.

Now we kno kaguya came from someplace far away an she had the intention of eating the fruit , obtain ridiculous power an ultimately create army out of humanity to combat a unknown threat which apparently she feels she could not manage on her own.

Kaguya was obviously a kind person prior fruit an its reasonable to think she got side tracked with the wars an her human lover.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Middle panel on the left. She mentions being born with strong chakra.

I already addressed that, it's Uzumaki lineage. She dosen't even sound sure of herself. Saying things like "apparently" meaning someone that to her after birth.

You need to address:
why animals have chakra(some even have sage(not rikudo) chakra) despite not being decendants of the rikudo.
why kaguya used ppl to make another chakra fruit, if the only ppl that have chakra at the time are her and her two sons.
why a chakra fruit is even there to begin with since the only way to make it is from ppl trapped by the tree.
why the chakra fruit predates kaguya if she's the one to gain chakra.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Look, you can see Kishimoto fvck up himself

He stated in the manga, the peoples that had chakra only Kaguya and her sons

But like Benjermen Gaye addressed before

Why animals got chakra, is Hagoromo giving a chakra to all living beings?(humans, animals and plants)

But any other things Benjermen Gaye mentioned is not important as its already resolved

Kaguya never said to wanting another chakra fruit, that is Madara that want the chakra fruit.

Kaguya just want all of her chakra back as she never talked about Chakra fruit before even BZ never talked about gaining another chakra fruit.

What is BZ motive just to revive Kaguya, that's all.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Look, you can see Kishimoto fvck up himself

He stated in the manga, the peoples that had chakra only Kaguya and her sons

But like Benjermen Gaye addressed before

Why animals got chakra, is Hagoromo giving a chakra to all living beings?(humans, animals and plants)

But any other things Benjermen Gaye mentioned is not important as its already resolved

Kaguya never said to wanting another chakra fruit, that is Madara that want the chakra fruit.

Kaguya just want all of her chakra back as she never talked about Chakra fruit before even BZ never talked about gaining another chakra fruit.

What is BZ motive just to revive Kaguya, that's all.

No. Harogomo flat oUT said kaguya abused her power. And put ppl in I.T.

It's accompanied by a picture of 5 ppl hooked to the roots of the tree. Flat out meaning she planned to create another fruit. It's why ppl called her a demon. Even further proof of this is the 100,000 white zetsu. They were originally ppl according to Harogomo's knowledge. Where'd they come from if not the by product of creating another chakra fruit?

 

[jiraiya nindo]

This is how I think it all went down:
I think the tree and the fruit existed since the beginning. Kaguya then found the fruit and ate it. She had two kids. Sometime after this,

she decided to merge with the shinju. then when merged, she realized(through the shinju) that some of its chakra was missing. She

rampaged and started using IT on the people. Got worshipped as the rabbit demon. Tried to kill her kids. Got sealed.

 

[Ansatsuken]

No. Harogomo flat oUT said kaguya abused her power. And put ppl in I.T.

It's accompanied by a picture of 5 ppl hooked to the roots of the tree. Flat out meaning she planned to create another fruit. It's why ppl called her a demon. Even further proof of this is the 100,000 white zetsu. They were originally ppl according to Harogomo's knowledge. Where'd they come from if not the by product of creating another chakra fruit?

How I view this situations

-Peoples getting connected to the Shinju is to gather back all their chakra into one for Kaguya absorbed it back, Kaguya cant absorbed humans chakra on the get go, she must prepared a medium for it that is Shinju itself.

Although if she able to absorb Humans chakra on the get go, it take much time.

But it can be two motives, Im never denied that IT method is to create Chakra fruit but there also can be another goal for Kaguya

IT and Shinju motives:-
1) Producing new chakra fruit
2) Gathering back all humans chakra in one place and absorb it.

Those two motives/goals/objectivs which one you want to use can be Kaguya original plan.

-Yes white zetsu is a normal peoples in the beggining, but they are just a by product of Shinju after all their chakra is absorb and then they will get a chakra from shinju under a command of Kaguya to be alive, in NV without chakra you are dead.

-Becoming a Zetsu is not the rule or requirment for producing a Chakra fruit, to produce a chakra fruit either you wait for 1000 years or gather all chakra back for Shinju.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

How I view this situations

-Peoples getting connected to the Shinju is to gather back all their chakra into one for Kaguya absorbed it back, Kaguya cant absorbed humans chakra on the get go, she must prepared a medium for it that is Shinju itself.

Although if she able to absorb Humans chakra on the get go, it take much time.

But it can be two motives, Im never denied that IT method is to create Chakra fruit but there also can be another goal for Kaguya

IT and Shinju motives:-
1) Producing new chakra fruit
2) Gathering back all humans chakra in one place and absorb it.

Those two motives/goals/objectivs which one you want to use can be Kaguya original plan.

-Yes white zetsu is a normal peoples in the beggining, but they are just a by product of Shinju after all their chakra is absorb and then they will get a chakra from shinju under a command of Kaguya to be alive, in NV without chakra you are dead.

-Becoming a Zetsu is not the rule or requirment for producing a Chakra fruit, to produce a chakra fruit either you wait for 1000 years or gather all chakra back for Shinju.

That's a reasonable look at it.
How I see the situation:

Humans didn't know how to mix natural and spiritual energy to make chakra, but the tree did. That's how it makes the fruit every millenia.
Kaguya comes eats fruit, has kids then prepares for another chakra fruit (ie. The 100, 000 zetsu we see now) Harogomo and hamura the only other ppl who know how to make chakra stops her seals her then goes on to teach ppl how to make it themselves.
I.e. ninshuu.

Bz gets indra to Change its application resulting in ninjutsu.

That's my take.

Taijutsu predates everything since that's the only to wage war b4 discovering chakra.
Genjutsu as a whole is highly inconsistent, since kishi never goes into detail about it.

 

[Ansatsuken]

That's a reasonable look at it.
How I see the situation:

Humans didn't know how to mix natural and spiritual energy to make chakra, but the tree did. That's how it makes the fruit every millenia.
Kaguya comes eats fruit, has kids then prepares for another chakra fruit (ie. The 100, 000 zetsu we see now) Harogomo and hamura the only other ppl who know how to make chakra stops her seals her then goes on to teach ppl how to make it themselves.
I.e. ninshuu.

Bz gets indra to Change its application resulting in ninjutsu.

That's my take.

Taijutsu predates everything since that's the only to wage war b4 discovering chakra.
Genjutsu as a whole is highly inconsistent, since kishi never goes into detail about it.

I think we are done about Kaguya motives here

Logical assessment is manage to be achived

Going back to the thread subject

What do you think about Kaguya's Byakugan,is this eyes owned by Kaguya before she ate the fruit or after?