What is wrong with pairings?

[shelke]

The main ones don't make sense.

 

[Dannie]

FT Pairings > Naruto pairings

 

[Endles Waltz]

The main ones don't make sense.

Yet most people saw them coming from a mile away.

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They were poorly developed and executed, also extremely rushed.

 

[Honord Sage]

because itachi solos

Then find Him a Girlfriend.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

I like pairings, I just don't give a rats ass about Naruto pairings, because they are so badly developed.

basically this ^^

don't mind them if they're written properly.

 

[1Told]

nothing is wrong with pairings normally, the problem is their respective fandoms and nah it's not about a certain number of panels or pages, neither a certain amount of scenes or moments, it's only about intensity and the influence it had in general (for the plot, the characters etc).

that's why naruhina will always be better than the others, it's not under developed, it's very simple and concentrated because Kishimoto is not comfortable with romance and let's be honest, the manga is 90% focused on Naruto and Sasuke's friendship, even Naruto's family relation had less time than it which is not very nice.

sasusaku could have been a good one but Kishimoto didn't make it like that, it's pure fan service and that's probably because he never cared about it personally unlike naruhina.

people should accept these facts and stop whining like babies, pairings are important!

love it or hate it, doesn't change the fact that if a story includes romance, it's because somehow the author thinks it's relevant for his/her story and the characters

 

[Endles Waltz]

nothing is wrong with pairings normally, the problem is their respective fandoms and nah it's not about a certain number of panels or pages, neither a certain amount of scenes or moments, it's only about intensity and the influence it had in general (for the plot, the characters etc).

that's why naruhina will always be better than the others, it's not under developed, it's very simple and concentrated because Kishimoto is not comfortable with romance and let's be honest, the manga is 90% focused on Naruto and Sasuke's friendship, even Naruto's family relation had less time than it which is not very nice.

sasusaku could have been a good one but Kishimoto didn't make it like that, it's pure fan service and that's probably because he never cared about it personally unlike naruhina.

people should accept these facts and stop whining like babies, pairings are important!

love it or hate it, doesn't change the fact that if a story includes romance, it's because somehow the author thinks it's relevant for his/her story and the characters

Double standards, you contradicted yourself.

So pairings are important, and NaruHina is very relevant to the story but SasuSaku is pure fanservice and Kishi doesn't give a shit about it? autoplayautoplayautoplay

Sorry but that's BS, all romance in this story is not that relevant and it mostly fanservice but also to make way for the miniseries.

I don't want to start another BS pairing war cause its getting pathetic but last time I checked, Sakura and Sasuke are both main characters and they had much more attention in the MANGA than NaruHina especially in part 1 and chapter 699, basically when Sasuke is good.

What you are saying is just your opinion and headcanon.

 

[Koshej]

I don't want to start another BS pairing war cause its getting pathetic but last time I checked, Sakura and Sasuke are both main characters and they had much more attention in the MANGA than NaruHina especially in part 1 and chapter 699, basically when Sasuke is good.

Quote me Sakura on ONE reason WHY she likes Sasuke, please.
Is that anything beyond "he's cool"???
Is that anything he affected HER with???
Is that ANYTHING at all???
Done?
Now do the same in reverse, for Sasuke on Sakura.
So, ANYTHING at all???
Waiting.

Note:
QUOTE means using MANGA PANELS, just Saiyan.

 

[Endles Waltz]

Quote me Sakura on ONE reason WHY she likes Sasuke, please.
Is that anything beyond "he's cool"???
Is that anything he affected HER with???
Is that ANYTHING at all???
Done?
Now do the same in reverse, for Sasuke on Sakura.
So, ANYTHING at all???
Waiting.

Note:
QUOTE means using MANGA PANELS, just Saiyan.

How is that relevant to my discussion?

What reasons do any of the other pairings have? InoSai, ChojKaru etc? Its irrelevant.

I don't need to give you reasons or defend them, I said in my last comment that all pairings are not relevant and mostly fanservice, including SasuSaku, but it was definitely given more attention from Kishi than NaruHina, and that's natural since they are both main characters and part of team 7.

I was only responding to him saying pairings and NaruHina is "all important" while SasuSaku is fanservice.

 

[Koshej]

How is that relevant to my discussion?

What reasons do any of the other pairings have? InoSai, ChojKaru etc? Its irrelevant.

I don't need to give you reasons or defend them, I said in my last comment that all pairings are not relevant and mostly fanservice, including SasuSaku, but it was definitely given more attention from Kishi than NaruHina, and that's natural since they are both main characters and part of team 7.

It is relevant to you stating that SasuSaku is better than NaruHina.
Thus, I asked you to quote me what either of them LIKES in the other.
As far as I know, Sakura "doesn't need a reason to like Sasuke", and he doesn't even bother with any.
That's pointless and idiotic to the max.
And totally worse than NaruHina, where Hinata clearly states that Naruto has been inpiring her since childhood, while Naruto praises and thanks Hinata on a few occasions, one being already in P1.
NaruHina actually connects with each other on personal level.
SasuSaku is rather pure PnJ embodiment, with no actual QUOTED reasons behind it.
Out of all canon pairings, NaruHina is the one with the best REASONS, while SasuSaku is the one with the least AND worst ones.
At least ChoKarui was RANDOM, while SasuSaku (just like YOU said) had a lot of panel time.
Yet it ended with giving them ZERO REASONS to actually get together anyways.
Just stupid.

 

[UzumakiWade]

I don't mind pairings, but Naruto pairings alone are just terrible, the pairings were so predictable yet so poorly developed and rushed, from the first 5 chapters of the manga you could already tell who would end up with who, Naruto would end up with hinata because of the fact that no other girl liked him besides hinata before pain-arc, or chunnin arc i think. Sasuke would end up with Sakura because she was his biggest fangirl and wouldn't quit until she got his D. Yet so far i can only think of 15-20 manga panels including romance apart from chapter 700.

 

[Endles Waltz]

It is relevant to you stating that SasuSaku is better than NaruHina.
Thus, I asked you to quote me what either of them LIKES in the other.
As far as I know, Sakura "doesn't need a reason to like Sasuke", and he doesn't even bother with any.
That's pointless and idiotic to the max.
And totally worse than NaruHina, where Hinata clearly states that Naruto has been inpiring her since childhood, while Naruto praises and thanks Hinata on a few occasions, one being already in P1.
NaruHina actually connects with each other on personal level.
SasuSaku is rather pure PnJ embodiment, with no actual QUOTED reasons behind it.
Out of all canon pairings, NaruHina is the one with the best REASONS, while SasuSaku is the one with the least AND worst ones.
At least ChoKarui was RANDOM, while SasuSaku (just like YOU said) had a lot of panel time.
Yet it ended with giving them ZERO REASONS to actually get together anyways.
Just stupid.

I never said SasuSaku is better than NaruHina, and I never bashed NaruHina so I don't see why you feel the need to bash SasuSaku.

I do however, as my opinion, find SasuSaku more appealing than NaruHina if I had to choose, because I find their personalities more interesting and their relationship not so cliche.

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They also look good. (and before you get hung up on this statement and start using it against me it was just a side note and for the lulz)

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[Conspirator.]

I honestly don't care that much about pairings in a shounen. There's nothing wrong with them, but not much right about them either.

 

[Koshej]

I never said SasuSaku is better than NaruHina, and I never bashed NaruHina so I don't see why you feel the need to bash SasuSaku.

I do however, as my opinion, find SasuSaku more appealing than NaruHina if I had to choose, because I find their personalities more interesting and their relationship not so cliche.

I merely say the truth.
What "relationship"???
The multiple homicide attempts???
My point is that Sakura never ever mentions ANY REASON whatsoever that kept her still LIKING Sasuke, instead of just wishing him DEAD for assaulting HER.
Or ANY REASON she LIKED him for to begin with.
She just "liked him by default", like the FANGIRL she IS.
She didn't NEED anything to "turn that switch ON", cause it was turned ON by Kishi in chapter 3 - and it just got stuck in that position REGARDLESS of what Sasuke did later on.
This goes in stark contrast with Hinata actually being AFFECTED by Naruto, INSPIRED by Naruto, and ADOPTING Naruto's philosophy - ALL of it to PROGRESS and BETTER HERSELF, which she DID.
Hinata also was the FIRST same-age person that Naruto OPENED UP to, she was the only person he ever made a BLOOD VOW for, or WANTED TO AVENGE in actuality (TWICE).
Like Wade said above, Narutoverse lacks open romance, indeed.
But NaruHina is NOT built upon romance to begin with - it's rather built upon respect, similarities and mutual understanding.
Now what is SasuSaku built upon, except for PLOT-no-JUTSU that ignores the VIOLENCE it pretty much revolves around???
Answer me.

 

[Endles Waltz]

I merely say the truth.
What "relationship"???
The multiple homicide attempts???
My point is that Sakura never ever mentions ANY REASON whatsoever that kept her still LIKING Sasuke, instead of just wishing him DEAD for assaulting HER.
Or ANY REASON she LIKED him for to begin with.
She just "liked him by default", like the FANGIRL she IS.
She didn't NEED anything to "turn that switch ON", cause it was turned ON by Kishi in chapter 3 - and it just got stuck in that position REGARDLESS of what Sasuke did later on.
This goes in stark contrast with Hinata actually being AFFECTED by Naruto, INSPIRED by Naruto, and ADOPTING Naruto's philosophy - ALL of it to PROGRESS and BETTER HERSELF, which she DID.
Hinata also was the FIRST same-age person that Naruto OPENED UP to, she was the only person he ever made a BLOOD VOW for, or WANTED TO AVENGE in actuality (TWICE).
Like Wade said above, Narutoverse lacks open romance, indeed.
But NaruHina is NOT built upon romance to begin with - it's rather built upon respect, similarities and mutual understanding.
Now what is SasuSaku built upon, except for PLOT-no-JUTSU that ignores the VIOLENCE it pretty much revolves around???
Answer me.

lol you take this way too seriously, this is your opinion and your headcanon, obviously now that Sasuke is redeemed there is no violence involved but it seems you don't want to let that go just to make NaruHina look better in your mind.

In reality Kishi also turned a switch on for Hinata since she was first introduced and it stayed on till the end no matter what Naruto did, just like Sakura. There is not much else into it you are thinking too much about a fictional side character and you're awkwardly emotionally attached to her.

Just relax and enjoy life, maybe you will find a real girl like Hinata. autoplay

 

[1Told]

Double standards, you contradicted yourself.

So pairings are important, and NaruHina is very relevant to the story but SasuSaku is pure fanservice and Kishi doesn't give a shit about it? autoplayautoplayautoplay

Sorry but that's BS, all romance in this story is not that relevant and it mostly fanservice but also to make way for the miniseries.

I don't want to start another BS pairing war cause its getting pathetic but last time I checked, Sakura and Sasuke are both main characters and they had much more attention in the MANGA than NaruHina especially in part 1 and chapter 699, basically when Sasuke is good.

What you are saying is just your opinion and headcanon.

butthurt too much?

where sasusaku as a pairing was relevant for the entire story before chapter 700? and for both characters evolution?

you gave the answer all by yourself: last time I checked, Sakura and Sasuke are both main characters

that's the only reason sasusaku exist as a canon pairing, pure fan service for the pairing fandom and because they are both main characters, nothing more, nothing else.

also, sasusaku is the most important hetero fandom in Japan thx to part 1 when it was still possible for Kishimoto to gave them a real consistency and when they were still giving a positive image as a couple.

but he didn't go that way on purpose, Sasuke left and sasusaku evolution stopped here.
that's why this pairing smells so bad + all the bad aura it creates around the 2 characters and the fact that Sasuke fandom surely hate this crap for good reasons (Sakura fandom apparently like it a lot more which is not a surprise at all).

oh and btw it's not my opinion, it's reality

time to accept it, Hinata was here at key moments when Naruto couldn't do anything anymore all by himself, that's why even if she's a side character, her influence in the manga is freaking huge because when you see her interacting with Naruto, something important is building up.

and it's always like this with naruhina, give and receive, always positive, it was constructed as a slow dynamic with big impulses in purpose.
that's why it doesn't need to be a million of pages and panels, it's concentrated, only when Naruto or Hinata needed it or are about to take a big step as characters.

Kishimoto said it himself and he shown it in the manga, in case you didn't see, here is the résumé from the movie databook =>

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it's Kishimoto's opinion not just mine and what he chose to do, stop being in denial sasusaku don't have anything like this because he didn't make anything for them except giving them a child like all the rookies in chapter 700 and you know it.

he never talked about them as a couple in itw and when he was asked about it, he said he didn't though about how they ended together neither their romantic stuff, what's the problem with this couple?

he had no problem to talk about the others, he even said he would make some stuff about Gaara's reaction to Temari and Shikamaru being a couple when Gaara's VA asked for it...

 

[Parrish]

Always has made Shounen stuff worse plot wise, excluding DBZ (No real plot in the first place).

It only becomes popular due to the female and beta male fans, which then leads to shitty fan service for those people.

 

[Edenia]

butthurt too much?

where sasusaku as a pairing was relevant for the entire story before chapter 700? and for both characters evolution?

you gave the answer all by yourself: last time I checked, Sakura and Sasuke are both main characters

that's the only reason sasusaku exist as a canon pairing, pure fan service for the pairing fandom and because they are both main characters, nothing more, nothing else.

also, sasusaku is the most important hetero fandom in Japan thx to part 1 when it was still possible for Kishimoto to gave them a real consistency and when they were still giving a positive image as a couple.

but he didn't go that way on purpose, Sasuke left and sasusaku evolution stopped here.
that's why this pairing smells so bad + all the bad aura it creates around the 2 characters and the fact that Sasuke fandom surely hate this crap for good reasons (Sakura fandom apparently like it a lot more which is not a surprise at all).

oh and btw it's not my opinion, it's reality

time to accept it, Hinata was here at key moments when Naruto couldn't do anything anymore all by himself, that's why even if she's a side character, her influence in the manga is freaking huge because when you see her interacting with Naruto, something important is building up.

and it's always like this with naruhina, give and receive, always positive, it was constructed as a slow dynamic with big impulses in purpose.
that's why it doesn't need to be a million of pages and panels, it's concentrated, only when Naruto or Hinata needed it or are about to take a big step as characters.

Kishimoto said it himself and he shown it in the manga, in case you didn't see, here is the résumé from the movie databook =>

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it's Kishimoto's opinion not just mine and what he chose to do, stop being in denial sasusaku don't have anything like this because he didn't make anything for them except giving them a child like all the rookies in chapter 700 and you know it.

he never talked about them as a couple in itw and when he was asked about it, he said he didn't though about how they ended together neither their romantic stuff, what's the problem with this couple?

he had no problem to talk about the others, he even said he would make some stuff about Gaara's reaction to Temari and Shikamaru being a couple when Gaara's VA asked for it...

I think that, besides Naruto being the main character and as such his story is more important, it also has to do with the fact that it's not easy to make a romance story for a character who has a stoic and taciturn nature. Even though he does have emotions, he is not lovey-dovey nor someone cheerful like Naruto so it has to be something more subtle. It's somewhat more natural to come up with something for NaruHina and drawing them all happy and cheesy in my opinion.

 

[Shruikan]

I think that, besides Naruto being the main character and as such his story is more important, it also has to do with the fact that it's not easy to make a romance story for a character who has a stoic and taciturn nature. Even though he does have emotions, he is not lovey-dovey nor someone cheerful like Naruto so it has to be something more subtle. It's somewhat more natural to come up with something for NaruHina and drawing them all happy and cheesy in my opinion.

Stop trying to make sense with this person.He once claimed that Sasuke was cheating on Sakura when he was away.

 

[Edenia]

Stop trying to make sense with this person.He once claimed that Sasuke was cheating on Sakura when he was away.

Oh I see! Don't mind me then. I didn't even mention anything about development cause really...people have their own interpretation of it.