What is more reliable:Databook or Manga Scans?

What is more reliable

  • Manga Scans

    Votes: 14 93.3%
  • Databook

    Votes: 1 6.7%

  • Total voters
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Wolfus

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Correct. That means everything left is law, until proven false later on.

For example, as we have yet to see the Yata mirror defeated, the databook description and hype remains intact.

The databook is used to give insight on unclear material presented in the manga, from Kishi's own mind in his own words. You could say it's an unbiased interpretation of manga facts (albeit with added hyperbole).

So essentially, if you're not mentally handicapped, they're both credible.

Wrong, so wrong. Once some source of information starts to presnt multiple flaws, it can no longer be taken as "law until proven otherwise". Why? Because it's the same source of information. It no longer has a 100% of veracity, but a smaller %. So, there is a chance, and a considerable chance, that the information of that source is incorrect. We can't take that risk.

So, no. Databook is no law. It is an information that might be correct and complements the manga, but first, it must be analysed to see if it fits manga logic. Believing blindly in something already mistaken in the past is stupid.
 

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Wrong, so wrong. Once some source of information starts to presnt multiple flaws, it can no longer be taken as "law until proven otherwise". Why? Because it's the same source of information. It no longer has a 100% of veracity, but a smaller %. So, there is a chance, and a considerable chance, that the information of that source is incorrect. We can't take that risk.

So, no. Databook is no law. It is an information that might be correct and complements the manga, but first, it must be analysed to see if it fits manga logic. Believing blindly in something already mistaken in the past is stupid.

The manga has just as many, if not more inconsistencies, as the databook is written based on the manga in the first place. How can you say the databook is flawed and the manga is not?

By your logic, they're either both perfectly credible or they're both inherently flawed.
 

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i say manga>>>databook as the databook only summarises everything that has happened to the point of its release, now if kishi released a databook after the series is over than that would be pretty much on par with the manga as that would summaries all the info the manga as given but until then manga>>>databook
 

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Wrong, so wrong. Once some source of information starts to presnt multiple flaws, it can no longer be taken as "law until proven otherwise". Why? Because it's the same source of information. It no longer has a 100% of veracity, but a smaller %. So, there is a chance, and a considerable chance, that the information of that source is incorrect. We can't take that risk.

So, no. Databook is no law. It is an information that might be correct and complements the manga, but first, it must be analysed to see if it fits manga logic. Believing blindly in something already mistaken in the past is stupid.

I agree with this, data book holds no meaning in a real debate, and its word is anything but law. If kishi really cared about the data book he'd have made another one, and its obvious that as of now it's pure hype.
 

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The manga has just as many, if not more inconsistencies, as the databook is written based on the manga in the first place. How can you say the databook is flawed and the manga is not?

I never said the manga is not flawed. But we discuss about the manga, as the stories, the plot, the chars, everything is first and mainly presented in the manga itself, not in the databook.
The databook was supposed to be an adcional information, a book that would explain and list somethings better. But it failed. Once, twice, many times. That's because wither kishi doesn't want to spoil or that he changes his mind. However, when he changes his mind, he adds the new logic/rule to the manga first, and sometimes, he doesn't even bother to correct the databook.
Considering all this, it can't be taken as a law.
 

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Kishi writes both. Both are very credible whether they contradict or not. The only thing is, the most current databook we have out is no longer up to par with current stats. During the war everyone has gotten a powerup or so, people have died and stuff so naturally, if your wanting to check info from say..the kakazu vs Shikamaru fight or the Sakura versus Sasori fight and stats and stuff to debate..you could use manga or databook. You cannot use the databook right now though to debate on whether Obito or Kakashi is better right now. See what i mean??

Til we get a new databook, though credible, it is not recent enough to provide the adequate proof someone could probably get from a manga scan.
 

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I agree with this, data book holds no meaning in a real debate, and its word is anything but law. If kishi really cared about the data book he'd have made another one, and its obvious that as of now it's pure hype.

Make another one?...

Point of making one now, then when the manga ends ( which is soon) , having to make another?

It's obvious the next db is going to come out at the end of the manga, when all the remaining jutsu and abilities have been displayed
 

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I never said the manga is not flawed. But we discuss about the manga, as the stories, the plot, the chars, everything is first and mainly presented in the manga itself, not in the databook.
The databook was supposed to be an adcional information, a book that would explain and list somethings better. But it failed. Once, twice, many times. That's because wither kishi doesn't want to spoil or that he changes his mind. However, when he changes his mind, he adds the new logic/rule to the manga first, and sometimes, he doesn't even bother to correct the databook.
Considering all this, it can't be taken as a law.

The parts that are not contradicted can be. I don't care about your opinion as many members consider it to be valid.

I'm not saying it's more valid, but without significant proof against a topic, there's no reason to cast it out just because it's been presented in the databook. It's foolish to discredit an entire work based on a few inconsistencies especially when you don't apply the same logic to that which you declare is more credible.

Kishi writes both. Both are very credible whether they contradict or not. The only thing is, the most current databook we have out is no longer up to par with current stats. During the war everyone has gotten a powerup or so, people have died and stuff so naturally, if your wanting to check info from say..the kakazu vs Shikamaru fight or the Sakura versus Sasori fight and stats and stuff to debate..you could use manga or databook. You cannot use the databook right now though to debate on whether Obito or Kakashi is better right now. See what i mean??

Til we get a new databook, though credible, it is not recent enough to provide the adequate proof someone could probably get from a manga scan.

This is what I'm talking about.
 

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The parts that are not contradicted can be. I don't care about your opinion as many members consider it to be valid.

I'm not saying it's more valid, but without significant proof against a topic, there's no reason to cast it out just because it's been presented in the databook. It's foolish to discredit an entire work based on a few inconsistencies especially when you don't apply the same logic to that which you declare is more credible.



This is what I'm talking about.

Who said anything about opinion? I don't debate with opinions alone, I use logic and explanations, evidences and facts. Most members that still believe in it just use it to keep a stupid hype. You're using these members to back you up?
The reason to cas it out is exaclty because it made a "few" mistakes. Actually, last time I checked, there's a thread with countless miskates the databook had made. Once a source of information starts to give this quantityu of misconceptions, it loses it's credibility. It's common logic.
Another reason to cast it out is because kishi changes his mind usually, as we've seen before. However, when he makes the change, he adds it to the manga, and as I said, sometimes he doesn't bother fixing the databook.
The reason which i don't apply the same for the manga is simple: the manga is different, too diferent to fit the same rule. As I explained before, the stories, the plot, the chars, everything is first and mainly presented in the manga itself, not in the databook. The manga is where the events happens, is where the logic of that universe is created. The manga is the narutoverse, not the databook. That's why it has more credibility, and it will always have. It will present mistakes and incosistences, of course. But due to the above, it holds more importance than the databook.
 

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The db is pretty much provides us on the info and origin behind the said jutsu or weapon and character, the manga's job is to showcase it for what it's worth, meaning is it fact or bull sh1t.
 
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