What if this was your son?

[Netflix and Chill]

I'd send him back to his room to put his balls back on.

 

[Jack Spicer]

No i will not. Thank you for your time.

No problemo.

 

[-immortal-]

I never said you would either. I'm challenging the belief that this(dressing this way) is an act that justifies ostracism, which was expressed numerous times throughout this thread.



Do go into why, I'd love to see your justification. I'm approaching this with an open mind; if I see a reason that is irrefutable or close to it, I'll admit so.



It's ironic you wear the image of a character defined by righteousness, acceptance, love, peace, and understanding, and fail to exhibit any of these traits in the matter at hand, which warrants these traits to be exhibited.

Since when did avatar matter on NarutoBase?

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Eating shit is disgust because of the fowl taste, smell, and toxic effects it can have on the body.

You know you can say the very same this about dressing that way though, everything has a negative side and that isn't the trigger for feeling disgusting otherwise dressing that way would be disgusting because society will judge one and look down on them possibly causing emotional/mental issues, sometimes even physical since there are many people that extremely homophobic who could easily do that.:yeah:

 

[Punk Hazard]

Question: If your child dressed up as something from a horror movie on a daily basis, would you even be slightly disappointed?

I see no reason to be. Even I were, that wouldn't warrant me to treat him negatively and with ostracism.

So in your opinion reasoning can explain emotions?

No, not all of the time. Emotions are often erratic and beyond our capability of confining to neat explanations. But I am not just talking about feeling. I'm a firm believer that a person can't fully control their feelings. However, they can control their actions, and how they respond to these feelings. That is what I am challenging. If you feel negatively about your child dressing that way, then that's too bad. I feel like you shouldn't, but if you do can't be helped or controlled in most cases. The actions you take, however, can be controlled or helped. The action of ostracizing your child because of these feelings are what makes you a terrible parent, not necessarily harboring the feelings themselves. If I expressed that simply having the feelings enough before makes you a terrible parent, then I was not fully correct to say that.

If so then if someone forces you to wear something that you really don;t like, you would give them a reason and that reason may be labeled "dumb"(just like how you said that cringing is a stupid reason for disliking something) then wouldn't reasons be useless if they aren't logically and objectively acceptable?

Most of this just came across as rambling to me, so I'll respond to the bolded which is what I understood.

Reasons behind actions need to be. For something like not eating a flavor of ice cream, or not wearing a certain clothing piece, then a reason like "I find it gross" or "It's ugly to me" suffices. Are they weak thinking without some stronger reason behind them? Arguably yes. But these are minor things. Something like "I don't wanna eat that flavor of ice cream" or "I don't wanna wear that sweater" are minor things that don't require critical thinking. As I said before, the matter introduced in this thread does require critical thinking because it is a major issue. It has led to lives being rendered much harder, and even ended them. So actions regarding this matter require critical thinking and logical and objective reasoning. And while those may not be applicable to how you feel, they are applicable to how you act and respond to the way you feel.

So if you feel disgust at your child's dress, then there's not much helping that. But if you do something drastic when it comes to how you treat your child, a heavy action, and then base it on top of weak reasoning like "his clothes simply disgust me," then you have failed as a parent by undergoing an act of parenting that required critical thinking and omitting the critical thinking.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You know you can say the very same this about dressing that way though, everything has a negative side and that isn't the trigger for feeling disgusting otherwise dressing that way would be disgusting because society will judge one and look down on them possibly causing emotional/mental issues, sometimes even physical since there are many people that extremely homophobic who could easily do that.:yeah:

No you can't. Dressing that way isn't toxic to the body, and it definitely doesn't produce fowl tastes or smells. So, I don't see how a person could say the same thing about dressing the way the person in the OP does. At all.

As for the feeling of disgust, I already explained the difference between feeling disgust, and then acting and treating your child in drastic ways because of this disgust.

If something's negative side causes you to partake in drastic and critical behaviors, then the basis of the negative side should be equally drastic and critical in scale.

Since when did avatar matter on NarutoBase?

I never said it does, I was elaborating on Jacko's post, the thing you asked to be done.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

I see no reason to be. Even I were, that wouldn't warrant me to treat him negatively and with ostracism.

No, not all of the time. Emotions are often erratic and beyond our capability of confining to neat explanations. But I am not just talking about feeling. I'm a firm believer that a person can't fully control their feelings. However, they can control their actions, and how they respond to these feelings. That is what I am challenging. If you feel negatively about your child dressing that way, then that's too bad. I feel like you shouldn't, but if you do can't be helped or controlled in most cases. The actions you take, however, can be controlled or helped. The action of ostracizing your child because of these feelings are what makes you a terrible parent, not necessarily harboring the feelings themselves. If I expressed that simply having the feelings enough before makes you a terrible parent, then I was not fully correct to say that.


Most of this just came across as rambling to me, so I'll respond to the bolded which is what I understood.

Reasons behind actions need to be. For something like not eating a flavor of ice cream, or not wearing a certain clothing piece, then a reason like "I find it gross" or "It's ugly to me" suffices. Are they weak thinking without some stronger reason behind them? Arguably yes. But these are minor things. Something like "I don't wanna eat that flavor of ice cream" or "I don't wanna wear that sweater" are minor things that don't require critical thinking. As I said before, the matter introduced in this thread does require critical thinking because it is a major issue. It has led to lives being rendered much harder, and even ended them. So actions regarding this matter require critical thinking and logical and objective reasoning. And while those may not be applicable to how you feel, they are applicable to how you act and respond to the way you feel.

So if you feel disgust at your child's dress, then there's not much helping that. But if you do something drastic when it comes to how you treat your child, a heavy action, and then base it on top of weak reasoning like "his clothes simply disgust me," then you have failed as a parent by undergoing an act of parenting that required critical thinking and omitting the critical thinking.

You're a very objective person, you know. If you don't find a logical reason then you sort of just dismiss it. Not everyone is like that, which includes me, I guess. Like Cobra said, it's in the eye of the Observer. The people who are disappointed aren't just because of a childish whim, I can't really change my feelings on it, I just feel, the same way that guy wants to dress as a woman I guess...

 

[-immortal-]

No you can't. Dressing that way isn't toxic to the body, and it definitely doesn't produce fowl tastes or smells. So, I don't see how a person could say the same thing about dressing the way the person in the OP does. At all.

As for the feeling of disgust, I already explained the difference between feeling disgust, and then acting and treating your child in drastic ways because of this disgust.

If something's negative side causes you to partake in drastic and critical behaviors, then the basis of the negative side should be equally drastic and critical in scale.


I never said it does, I was elaborating on Jacko's post, the thing you asked to be done.

Sensational.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You're a very objective person, you know. If you don't find a logical reason then you sort of just dismiss it. Not everyone is like that, which includes me, I guess. Like Cobra said, it's in the eye of the Observer. The people who are disappointed aren't just because of a childish whim, I can't really change my feelings on it, I just feel, the same way that guy wants to dress as a woman I guess...

And that is needed. In this case, the action I am challenging can ruin lives, and even end them. Subjective reasoning is not enough in this case if it leads to making things worse for people. You cannot be purely subjective or objective when it comes to people's lives. Both are needed, and depending on the case, one may be more needed than the other.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

So if you feel disgust at your child's dress, then there's not much helping that. But if you do something drastic when it comes to how you treat your child, a heavy action, and then base it on top of weak reasoning like "his clothes simply disgust me," then you have failed as a parent by undergoing an act of parenting that required critical thinking and omitting the critical thinking.

that much I can agree with, for some reason it sounded as if you meant to say that disliking fashion sense is sign of idiocy which is horribly absurd. But about your critical thinking requirement point, I find it easily inconsistent, because I'm pretty sure that at one point a disagreement about fashion sense had put people's life in danger(extremely homophobic people for example.). Sure it may not be as frequent as what you mention but it definitely did put people lives in danger, so what is the precise measurement of when something is critical to analyze or not? is life being in danger the only factor? is frequency relevant in order for it to remain "critical"? see it is all subjective all over again :lol

 

[Fountain]

Im like B***H Cannibals and Pscyhos Humans, want me 2 love them too??

Guess if I go out downtown naked and masturbate infront Starbucks then I'm the bravest of all.

So i can walk in public butt a** naked and when they ask why I say "This is who i am, I feel comfortable this way, accept me for me" How do you think that's going to go? lol..ok...

Okay say it starts off with accepting homosexuality. Whats next? Bestiality?

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[Sage of Doujutsu]

That's pretty insensitive dude. He's not hurting anyone(like Psychos and Cannibals who actually do hurt people, that was a seriously uncool comparison) so why does it even matter to you at all? Sure it's different and maybe it would catch people by surprise but it doesn't mean it's wrong. So why not stick to Naruto threads here and keep stuff like this for a people with insecurities blog... I think it might be more appreciated there.

 

[DominiqueX]

bla bla bla

1. you are a disgusting human

2. I'd say "nice dark-blue pants, where did you buy it? I'd like to buy it too."
Just let him live like that. He doesn't harm anyone with this, so it is absolutely okay.

 

[Conspirator.]

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I know ppl b***h about it and be like oh your so mean or love them cause they human.

Im like B***H Cannibals and Pscyhos Humans, want me 2 love them too??


Anyways i jus cant wit these ppl, screw that. If it was my son i'd probably send him to a psychiatric ward.

I tried but i just cant condone this bs

That's a terrible analogy to be honest, for the simple reason that he is not hurting anyone, but is simply going against the grain with regards to his clothing. Anyway, even though I'd probably find his sartorial taste to be unpalatable, it's not strong enough a reason to start treating him poorly.

 

[Power Bottom]

1. you are a disgusting human

2. I'd say "nice dark-blue pants, where did you buy it? I'd like to buy it too."
Just let him live like that. He doesn't harm anyone with this, so it is absolutely okay.

You can't except people who are brought up in a society that's so judgemental and close minded to let other people live their lives. People like to complain about things that don't effect them whatsoever.

 

[DominiqueX]

You can't except people who are brought up in a society that's so judgemental and close minded to let other people live their lives. People like to complain about things that don't effect them whatsoever.

Yeah, I guess it's true. I'm not free from complaining myself, but we have to try it until society eventually changes. In order to allow peaceful people a happy life.

 

[SolarSpider]

As with all studies, this one had several limitations. As the authors pointed out, all participants were college students, so it may be helpful in future research to test these effects in younger adolescents still living at home and in older adults who have had more time to establish lives independent of their parents and to look at attitudes as they change over time. Additionally, given the correlational nature of many of the present findings, causal and developmental inferences cannot be reliably made. Finally, it is important to point out that implicit measures are not a perfect window into an individual’s psyche or “true” sexual orientation

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This is the study to which i refer, and you?

The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n = 35 ) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were assigned to groups on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson & W. A. Ricketts, 1980). The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual, and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were monitored. They also completed an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss & M. Perry, 1992). Both groups exhibited increases in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos. Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression. Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2012 APA, all rights reserved)

 

[Adam Driver]

It'd definitely be weird and I wouldn't feel comfortable with it to be honest but if the kid is happy then I'll respect his decision as long as he respects himself and the choices he makes.

 

[The Work]

Well, training him to be a man is over.

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

Try my best to make him stop dressing like a girl but still love him