[Discussion] What if one day people could live forever what will become of god ?

[Aim64C]

Hmm interesting ideology there. I doubt if people will go to the extremes that your saying, referring to the "hive" people. I understand some people won't take to expansion or figure it's a waste, however I doubt it would lead to a devolved world-possibly a less advanced world. If times have advanced to where space travel/option of living on other planets was possible then surely the planet/populous in general would've grown. Maybe it is my optimism or faith in people, but I don't see people being so monotonous as that. I do agree however that humanity would advance to where living on other plants is possible and that some would refuse/resist to change.

If you look at the direction most of the world goes - people advocate for "the greater good" quite frequently. Look at how the media reports (which reports the types of things people want to hear) - it never actually bothers to investigate what is actually going on or to fact-check anything. It simply reports what he said and what she said. People decide what to believe based upon who they like.

This is largely 'collective' behavior that people like to engage in. They are not concerned with reality nearly so much as they are concerned with who they are following.

Then all you have to do is look at how most people see automation. They see it as 'taking' or 'destroying' jobs. They focus on 'living wage' and other such arguments - believing that because you have a job, you should be able to afford to raise a family.

It's an embarrassing insult to sentience, honestly.

But it's how people behave - they are migrating increasingly toward collectivism and violently resist innovation that forces them to adapt (look at the protests in China over increased automation - yet the goods and services they demand simply can not be produced by human labor).

Realistically - most of the things that machines can 'take from' people are things that people were only doing because no one had figured out a way to do it better. It would be like cotton farmers getting upset that the cotton gin was destroying jobs. What it really meant was that you could have fewer people picking seeds out of cotton and have far more people to go do something else (like tend a different crop - or possibly take up a different trade all together).

But that's the direction most of society is going. There are 'hold outs' who are starting to change some thoughts (particularly in europe, where people are getting tired of having other people's hands in their pockets - but they've been living that way for so long that the idea of living any other way is about as foreign as it gets) - but it's largely a race against time.

Before too much longer, the 'collectivists' will begin to purge the free individuals from the entire planet and they will plunge themselves into a new dark age. With any luck - they so completely destroy their ability to sustain themselves that their foolishness burns itself out (for the most part).

Then, in another thousand years or so, we can start the process of collectivization over again as the individual thinkers begin empowering the doldrums to reproduce beyond what their natural attitude typically allows.

I have a somewhat cynical view of society - and things are probably not quite as bad as I see them - but the average person is so self-ignorant and deluded, these days, that the process of Infinite Tsukuyomi could be said to be a giant euphemism for the media and the natural human tendency to become complacent in life.

Which, it actually kind of is - since it bases around the old idea of divine presence in the individual (basically - the concept of self-awareness). The Square - Amaterasu. The Circle - Tsukuyomi. The Triangle - Susano'o. When the mind is asleep, it is ruled by moon - Tsukuyomi. The stars - Susano'o are the guiding light (from when stars were used to navigate) that remind us to be present. The state of divine presence is the Sun - Amaterasu.

It's all in the key:

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It's interesting that the arrangement resembles the Bagua:

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The three points/sides of the triangles represent the Eight Trigrams. The spiral in the center represents the action of Taiji and Wuji to create the mundane universe (this is also the symbol for the Uzumaki...).

This key pretty much unravels essentially how Kishimoto views the Naruto Universe in terms of the Taoist underpinnings with the Shinto lore and Buddhist allusions.

Infinite Tsukuyomi - including the 'erasing of the person' to become a White Zetsu - is all a euphemism for what happens when you lose sight of yourself in the doldrums of life - when you refuse to be 'awake' and present in the real world. It's actually a far deeper concept than one would expect given the nature of the manga.

 

[Seventh Sama]

I would like to live forever but some people say its worse than death. We'll have to see then.....