What if JJ Madara used PS??

[Blackdeath667]

sasuke and naruto would've been no more...theres a reason why plot didn't allow

kinda like how obito didnt use kamui but madara used it to get to his other rinnegan eye lol

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Look you misunderstand one thing... Rikudo Chakra and Rikudo Senjutsu are 2 different things. Sasuke for example has Rikudo Chakra and doesn't have Rikudo Senjutsu. Having the Rinnegan which gives the user Rikudo chakra doesn't mean that you have Rikudo Senjutsu.... Rikudo chakra is the chakra of the Sage that why he said Madara awakend my chakra and thus the Rinnegan. This what the manga says so its not fanfic...

Not entirely. Rikkudo chakra might not be the complete same thing as rikkudo senjutsu, but rikkudo chakra itself is senjutsu, as evident by the fact that he can actually use chidori against Madara.

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If it wasn't senjutsu, Sasuke's chidori would have turned into him simply striking with his hand, and his chidori sword would just turn into chidori, but that wasn't the case. Madara did not have senjutsu on his own, therefore, what we refer to as rikkudo chakra (what Sasuke and Kakashi had), is not something Madara had.

 

[neosmith500]

His PS armed with sword of nunobuko and a couple TSB at the back would be too much naruto/sasuke thats for sure.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Far stronger than Sasuke and Naruto outside of VoTE buffs.

Individually, yes. Combined, no.

Stronger than Sasuke's Rikudou PS, but weaker than his BPS.

Why is Madara's PS going to be stronger than Sasuke's Rikodou PS?

Way to much for Sasuke to handle

Don't forget Naruto.

I disagree, Lord Madara's Susanoo would be stronger than BPS since he is the Juubi Jinchuriki with 3 eyes.

3 eyes don't matter. What's Rinne Sharingan supposed to do? His PS would be just as strong as Sasuke. And he would be capable of creating BPS as well.

sasuke and naruto would've been no more...theres a reason why plot didn't allow

kinda like how obito didnt use kamui but madara used it to get to his other rinnegan eye lol

Obito was restricted of intangibility, not dimension travelling.

 

[Ambivalence]

Individually, yes. Combined, no.



Why is Madara's PS going to be stronger than Sasuke's Rikodou PS?

Because:

1. EMS Madara's PS is at least tier above EMS Sasuke's PS.
2. Madara having the Juubi's massive chakra quantity is still better than Sasuke's half of Hagoromo's empowered PS quality.
3. Combining these two points, Madara's PS would be (again) a tier above Sasuke's since it gains an even bigger boost than Sasuke's and was stronger anyway before both their PS' powerups.

 

[Xāvî1]

It would be good bye naruto verse then.

 

[Dondaime Hokage Naruto]

Not entirely. Rikkudo chakra might not be the complete same thing as rikkudo senjutsu, but rikkudo chakra itself is senjutsu, as evident by the fact that he can actually use chidori against Madara.

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If it wasn't senjutsu, Sasuke's chidori would have turned into him simply striking with his hand, and his chidori sword would just turn into chidori, but that wasn't the case. Madara did not have senjutsu on his own, therefore, what we refer to as rikkudo chakra (what Sasuke and Kakashi had), is not something Madara had.

Except that's Sasuke's Yin Chidori by the Sage's Moon Seal that was used to paralyze Madara along with Naruto's Magnet Rasengan.... I am going with what Hagoromo himself said that Madara awakened his Chakra by awakening the Rinnegan. His words not mine... Rikudo Chakra is not Rikudo Senjutsu. Having Rikudo chakra doesn't equal having Senjutsu/Rikudo Senjutsu. Madara also said that Sasuke awakened the Rinnegan whereas Naruto awakened the Rikudo Senjutsu. One has the eyes and the other the body.

 

[Dondaime Hokage Naruto]

3 eyes don't matter. What's Rinne Sharingan supposed to do? His PS would be just as strong as Sasuke. And he would be capable of creating BPS as well.

Madara's PS is going to be empowered by
1.The EMS/Rinnegan
2.Juubi/Shinjuu Massive Chakra(full acess since he is a Jin)
3.Natural Energy/Rikudo Senjutsu
This is to show how much more powerful JJ Madara's Susanoo would be from his EMS form.

 

[Ambivalence]

Except that's Sasuke's Yin Chidori by the Sage's Moon Seal that was used to paralyze Madara along with Naruto's Magnet Rasengan

Except that the Moon Seal had nothing to do with Sasuke's Senjutsu Chidori, he just infused his Chidori with Rikudou chakra.

Rikudo Chakra is not Rikudo Senjutsu. Having Rikudo chakra doesn't equal having Senjutsu/Rikudo Senjutsu. Madara also said that Sasuke awakened the Rinnegan whereas Naruto awakened the Rikudo Senjutsu. One has the eyes and the other the body.

Nobody said Rikudou Chakra is Rikudou Senjutsu. SoL's saying that Rikduou's chakra contains Senjutsu by default, and it still possesses one of the main advantage that Rikudou Senjutsu gives, which is being able to hurt the Juubi's Jinchuriki/interact with Limbos. To simplify it even further:

1. Rikudou Senjutsu = what Naruto received from Hagoromo, gives him natural ability to combat JJ's, senses, TSB, etc.
2. Rikudou Chakra = chakra containing Rikudou Senjutsu (it's Rikudou because it's the Sage's after all) that just has the ability to also combat JJ's when applied to a jutsu. It doesn't give Sasuke any of the other advantages of RS, but in a sense, he also has Senjutsu.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Madara's PS is going to be empowered by
1.The EMS/Rinnegan
2.Juubi/Shinjuu Massive Chakra(full acess since he is a Jin)
3.Natural Energy/Rikudo Senjutsu
This is to show how much more powerful JJ Madara's Susanoo would be from his EMS form.

1. Yes, EMS/Rinnegan is what's going to create the PS obviously. Sasuke does the same.
2. Madara has Juubi's chakra and Sasuke has Six Paths Yin chakra. Juubi's chakra = Six Paths Yin chakra (in terms of power). So creating the PS using that will result in BPS which Sasuke created in his final battle against Naruto using the Bijuus/Juubi chakra. And Sasuke can create the same with Six Paths Yin chakra as well. Again, Sasuke can do the same.
3. The power of the chakra determines the power of Susanoo. Six Paths Senjutsu for Juubi Jin won't make the chakra any more powerful, it will only enhance the abilities. Because Six Paths Senjutsu chakra (Naruto's RSM chakra) = Six Paths Yin chakra (Sasuke's Sage chakra) = Juubi's chakra (all in terms of power). Empowering Juubi's chakra (which is already Senjutsu) with Senjutsu will only result in empowerment of abilities since chakra is as powerful as it can get.

Yes, Madara's PS would be much more powerful than his EMS form. But he won't go any further than Sasuke's PS.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Because:

1. EMS Madara's PS is at least tier above EMS Sasuke's PS.
2. Madara having the Juubi's massive chakra quantity is still better than Sasuke's half of Hagoromo's empowered PS quality.
3. Combining these two points, Madara's PS would be (again) a tier above Sasuke's since it gains an even bigger boost than Sasuke's and was stronger anyway before both their PS' powerups.

1. EMS Sasuke's PS wasn't fully developed considering the time period he had with his EMS. It was still relatively new by the time he received Hagoromo's power so he didn't get the chance to show off the completed version. When fully developed, it would be the same PS as Madara.

2. Quality of chakra for both Juubi's chakra and the Six Paths Yin chakra in the same. Madara's Six Paths Senjutsu only gives him empowered abilities, the power of chakra remains because Juubi's chakra is the peak form of powerful chakra naturally being Senjutsu.

 

[KesOnFire]

Don't forget Naruto.

Naruto did well on his own vs them
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