JirayiaRIPforever
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jiraiya and him + bee would dominate ,give them six paths & madara heads for the hills >
[Theory] What if Jiraiya-sensei was Alive still?
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veggetta13
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If Jiraiya was alive, Naruto would be dead. Pain would have attacked, Jiraiya, not knowing about the 6 paths would have fallen if he was in the village, the village would be reduced to rubble, Naruto wouldnt have had the sage training and wouldnt have mastered sage mode i time to fight Pain so it'd be normal Naruto vs 6 paths of Pain. Naruto would lose and then Kisame would have captured Bee. Jiraiya's death temporarily saved the world
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Im not saying that i wasnt in your favor and he was not able to take out the reviving path first anyway because Pain had not shown it until after he revived the 3. Please show me the link where it says that he is in incomplete sm. He is partial frog because he can go FULL SAGE MODE by joining the ma and pa from on his shoulders unlike Naruto who couldn't go full sage mode because the 9 tails was not compatible with ma and pa. Also no fighting in foreign terrain is not always as disadvantage such as this situation. Had Pain not been in his won city he could have used the Deva Path to its full extent but he couldn't for the sake of not destroying his village. Lol dude are you seriously using he wasn't prepared to fight? That's the weakest excuse ever most of the time people aren't ready for a battle they usually don't plan out a battle before hand and if your going to say he wasn't prepared then neither was Nagato so that's a horrible excuse. For your comment about shinra tensei that is true but only when your talking about massive scale like the leaf village one otherwise the time span is usually fairly short around 5 seconds.
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mperfect Sage Mode
Jiraiya was not able to properly balance his own chakra with natural energy, resulting in him using an imperfect form of Sage Mode. As a result of the imbalance (and the imperfect nature of his transformation), Jiraiya took a number of toad-like traits when using Sage Mode. His appearance was altered: his nose grows bigger and gains warts, he gains excess hair (his goatee), and toad-like eyes. Further transformational attributes includes him taking on a toad-like stature and the lines on his face become much thicker, taking over each side of his face. Because of these traits, Jiraiya didn't like to use Sage Mode as it "displeases the ladies". He also showed the ability to transform his limbs (e.g. his hands and feet) into those of frogs so as to aid in manoeuvrability.
Perfect sage mode
Unlike Jiraiya, Naruto is able to perfectly balance the natural energy with his own chakra. This allows him to use the true Sage Mode, which retains all of his normal physical characteristics except for toad-like eyes: yellow irides, horizontal bar-like pupils, and reddish-orange pigmentation around the eyes; the mark of a true sage on each eye. A true sage would still suffer from the weaknesses of Sage Mode, requiring that they use Sage Art: Amphibian Technique in a battle situation. Because of the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox sealed within Naruto, however, Fukasaku was rejected whenever he tried to fuse with him.
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Thank you you are right about this but i don't see what your trying to prove here.
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Oh ok yeah your right i don't know what the other person is trying to prove though.i was just telling you that jiraiyas was incomplete sorry
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eyesofthekyuubi44
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As much as I loved Jiraiya, we have to face the reality. He's dead.
After learning of Jiraiya's death, Naruto fell into a deep depression. After being counseled by Shikamaru, Naruto finally had the drive to figure out Jiraiya's secret message. Fukasaku knew that the Akatsuki was after Naruto, and that since they were down to the most powerful people at the time, Naruto would be surely facing off with Pain sometime soon.
The drive to get revenge for Jiraiya caused Naruto to learn Sage arts, where he learned Sage Mode.
Naruto, after fighting Pain and forgiving him for everything, coming to realize what revenge is like, went on to face the Kyuubi. Now without Jiraiya dying, Naruto would not have learned Sage Mode at that time. Naruto needed Sage Mode to fight the Kyuubi. To gain the Kyuubi's chakra, he needed to fight the Kyuubi.
Jiraiya being alive would only serve to weaken Naruto. We cannot say that if he was alive he would have taught Naruto Sage Mode. If that were the case, Naruto would have likely learned it from Jiraiya during the time-skip. Yet, Naruto didn't even KNOW about it. On top of that, Jiraiya doesn't have the staff that Fukasaku has that whacks the Natural energy out of him.
Sorry guys, but let J-Man, Obito, Shisui, all the Uchihas, and the Sage rest in peace.
After learning of Jiraiya's death, Naruto fell into a deep depression. After being counseled by Shikamaru, Naruto finally had the drive to figure out Jiraiya's secret message. Fukasaku knew that the Akatsuki was after Naruto, and that since they were down to the most powerful people at the time, Naruto would be surely facing off with Pain sometime soon.
The drive to get revenge for Jiraiya caused Naruto to learn Sage arts, where he learned Sage Mode.
Naruto, after fighting Pain and forgiving him for everything, coming to realize what revenge is like, went on to face the Kyuubi. Now without Jiraiya dying, Naruto would not have learned Sage Mode at that time. Naruto needed Sage Mode to fight the Kyuubi. To gain the Kyuubi's chakra, he needed to fight the Kyuubi.
Jiraiya being alive would only serve to weaken Naruto. We cannot say that if he was alive he would have taught Naruto Sage Mode. If that were the case, Naruto would have likely learned it from Jiraiya during the time-skip. Yet, Naruto didn't even KNOW about it. On top of that, Jiraiya doesn't have the staff that Fukasaku has that whacks the Natural energy out of him.
Sorry guys, but let J-Man, Obito, Shisui, all the Uchihas, and the Sage rest in peace.
JirayiaRIPforever
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all im saying is possibilities and he saw NO need for naruto to learn sage mode yet, whos to say naruto wouldnt have gotten stronger? unless your kishi all you stated above isnt guaranteed,
RIP jiraiya-sensei
RIP jiraiya-sensei
ur as thick as they come, the initial part of this discussion was about pain stating if jiraiya had known his secrets he would have been able to take them on...u saying it was all a bluff, i said it wasnt
...if he knew the secrets that means he would have known what each path does, and hence take out the reviving one first...also would have known they are all visually linked and would have used stragies to counter that...and the whole push and pull thing...he could quite easily reverse summon himself to the frog's place so he dusn get effected by it.
did u get ur proof where he wasn't a full sage? or are u so thick that u forgot already? the reason jiraiya had the elder frogs on the shoulders was b'cuz so they can gather nature energy while jiraiya fights...so he can maintain sage mode. naruto couldn do that b'cuz the fox wouldn't let them merge but he countered that by using clones to gather nature energy.
that is not a weak excuse, it was stated by pa when he was reporting back to tsunade, he was only there to collect information. if u dunno what a reconnaissance mission involves maybe u should look it up. there is a reason why missions are ranked
5 seconds is more than enough for sage mode..