What Did Jiraiya Die For??

[Typhon]

Yeesh.....What did Jiraiya die for? Come on now.....

He died for the purpose of Naruto's character development. It helped Naruto mature. It set up the whole Naruto vs. Pain and their discussion. It was an important part of the story. It continued the theme of the new generation surpassing the old. It left an important message to Naruto about not giving up. It was important for many reasons.

 

[Miggy69]

Just as the title asks, what did Jiraiya die for?

He went to gain information on the leader of Akatsuki. All he came up with was "The real one isn't with them". But, the Konoha ninja all figured that out on their own anyway, so, in the end, wasn't this information useless?

Wasn't Jiraiya's death totally useless to Konoha?

All of the information that they have on Pein is mainly being gained DURING Pein's assault on Konoha.

Jiraiya didn't have to die.

dude im really shocked that u think j-man died 4 nothing. how would naruto have conviced nagato to even turn good in d first place. lets just say j-am didnt die and nagato killed all those people and naruto came and just killed nagato all the people would have stayed dead cause he wouldnt have read j-man book. they wouldnt have known the bodies had one ability they wouldnt have know about the chakra receivers naruto wouldnt have learned sage mode or complete rasenshuriken all those things so u cant say dat he died in vain

 

[Ebbs82]

If Jiraiya didn't go out during that final time he wouldn't have figured out that Nagato was controlling dead bodies from a distance and the message wouldn't have been sent. If that message isn't sent it would have taken longer for Konoha to figure out about Pain's abilities. Jiraiya already lost an arm and Tsunade's roll probably wouldn't have changed so the guy with the most offensive power that Konoha has....is missing an arm. Naruto's personal and professional development wouldn't have gone as far as they had if it weren't for Jiraiya's death either. I understand feelings that Jiraiya's death didn't have to happen. I guess Jiraiya felt that everything relateing to Nagato was his responsibility and wanted to do EVERYTHING in his power to help. I mean up until that point he was afraid of Nagato and Akatsuki might do if he lost or didn't fight until the end.

 

[mattyiou]

Well actually while Naruto was in sage mode he was stabbed with one of the receivers not sure if he was actually in sage mode it was so messed, also Naruto in the end after beating Pein he stabbed himself with a receiver and he figured out that THAT was what was controlling him, so JMan didn't help as much as you think in that area. The thing he JMan could have lived and he has already figured out Nagato wasn't one of them before he wrote the message, but wrote the message because either 1.he didn't want to run 2.he wanted the froggies to be able to get away 3.he wanted to die by his pupil? 4. There are so many reasons but none of them fit very well no one really knows why he had to die.

And everyone please stop saying it helped him mature, sure it did but its not the only reason he died and its a stupid reason in my eyes. OKay he needed to mature but not like that.

The person who said it goes with the plot younger passes older thats pretty cool and true.

Naruto hasn't matured much he is still stubborn and wants to save Sasuke like I said before that is his real immaturity

Thats all I still have to read the Mangas still...

Peace~~

 

[Mighty Curtain Messiah]

It would make JIraya + Kakashi + Naruto + Tsunade vs Pein.

 

[Scorpio0Pharaoh0Titan]

Jiraiya died for naruto and all of konoha.

Think about it... long and hard.

 

[Avani]

JMan could have escaped with one of the bodies without dieing, his death was pointless in the end he had a body he sent the body back and wanted to die honorably? Even though he could not speak I think he still could have sent The body and also ESCAPED while in sage mode... He had his forcefield-shield-thingy up and he could have just peaced he could have gone into one of his froggies.

And the one who helped Naruto the most was his father, Minato cause he stopped the 9 tails from taking over. Sure it helped him mature but he didn't exactly need to he was already pretty much mature. ALSO his immaturity is with him always running after Sasuke so he never got rid of his immaturity. Thats what I think

Jiraiya could have escaped. He, pa toad and ma toad had considered that option.

In retrospect, it may seem that he didn't make the right choice. Just like some say that Tsunade wasted her chakra in saving people as Nagato ultimately revived them- but Tsunade didn't know that - she couldn't predict the future and tried what she could, when Nagato attacked. Similarly, Jiraiya chose to stay and try to find out somehing more about Nagato instead of escaping.

He tried his best to gain maximum information. At the time, he was also wondering about what exactly was going on as he could feel Nagato's chakra but, couldn't see him.

Jiraiya partially failed and he knew that. The last attempt to send message on Pa toads back was to defy his luck and not to give up even in the face of death. He died an honourable death and did his best. He was able to die in relative peace and that matters and inspires.

It's not about whether he could survive or not. It's life.

As for help for Naruto, Minato could what he could before his death. Jiraiya helped Naruto in reaching where he was now. Without Jiraiya, Naruto wouldn't have been able to survive Chunin exams as much of a ninja. Jiraiya fulfilled his duty as a god father.

Jiraiya's death was a new test for Naruto- whether he could put his own feeling of resentment and hurt aside and reach out to Nagato and forgive him or he would give in to hate similar to Sasuke. Naruto didn't and it was his acheivement that he could even during the period it hurt most. Next time, Sasuke cannot say to him that he never felt the hurt of loosing anyone as he never had anything to start with. Naruto crossed that bridge.

 

[aVague]

he dies for ... nothing i guess

 

[ickash]

Jiraiya's death had important effects on how naruto matured and being able to defeat pain. However, I think the scene when naruto convinced pain that what he was doing was wrong sucked so bad, it should have been so more emotional and nagato should really show more regret in killing his own teacher etc.

 

[Scorpio0Pharaoh0Titan]

Jiraiya could have escaped. He, pa toad and ma toad had considered that option.

In retrospect it may seem that he didn't make the right choice. Just like some say that Tsunade wasted her chakra in saving people as Nagato ultimately revived them- but Tsunade didn't know that - she couldn't predict the future and tried what she could when Nagato attacked. Similarly Jiraiya chose to stay and try to find out somehing more about Nagato instead of escaping.

He tried his best to gain maximum information. At the time he was also wondering about what exactly was going on as he could feel Nagato's chakra but couldn't see him.

Jiraiya partially failed and he knew that. The last attempt to send message on Pa toads back was to defy his luck and not to give up even in the face of death. He died an honourable death and did his best. He was able to die in relative peace. And that matters and inspires.

It's not about whether he could survive or not. It's life.

As for help for Naruto, Minato could what he could before his death. Jiraiya helped Naruto in reaching where he was now. Without Jiraiya Naruto wouldn't have been able to survive Chunin exams as much of a ninja. Jiraiya did his fullfill his duty as a god father.

His death was a new test for Naruto- whether he could put his own feeling of resentment and hurt aside and reach out to Nagato and forgive him or he would given to hate similar to Sasuke. Naruto didn't and it was his acheivement that he could even during the period it hurt most. Next time Sasuke cannot say to him that you never feel the hurt of loosing anyone as you never had anything to start with. Naruto crossed that bridge.

Very nice job ! Well worded and thought out.

 

[KASTAWAY]

WHAT ARE YOU ALL TALKING ABOUT, THE VAST AMOUNT OF INFO ABOUT PAIN WAS SENT FROM THE BATTLE WITH J-Man. HE FIRST KNOW THE REAL ONE WAS NOT THERE, HE FOOUND ABOUT ABOUT THERE SHARED VISION, HE FOUND OUT ABOUT A LOT OF THE ABILITIES OF THE BODIES, AND MUCH MORE. THE NINJA OF THE LEAF HAD TO LEARN THE REST. WITHOUT J-MAN'S FIGHT PAIN WOULD STILL BE ALIVE. YES HE COULD HAVE ESCAPED BUT A NINJA WANTS TO DIE IN BATTLE NOT AT HOME ON HIS BACK. HE HAD A GOOD DEALTH.

 

[Ironreaver7]

yea man It was pretty much for character development. I mean Sasuke always said Naruto never lost anything important, Sasuke lost alot and he took a different path. Naruto lost and continues on his path of peace but more mature than he was. Naruto will probably call sasuke a brat or something now because he runs around crying about revenge, seriously what is sasuke gonna do if he did kill everyone? So Jiraya dying is a way from Naruto to grow and mature and help him continue his path of peace his ninja way.

 

[mattyiou]

Well Kastaway, your sort of wrong the only thing your right about would be the honorable death part (questionable) and the Shared Eye info.

THe honorable death thing is sorta weird, but if I were a ninja, not that I'd ever want to be one, I would rather die with people I know, not in the middle of some foreign village, rather I would die in my village protecting it or somthin like that.

Then there is the shared eye thing, he could have easily figured it out when he wasn't in the heat of battle, since he already saw ALL six of em and would have been able to escape, he would have been able to think his fight over multiple times before Pein came to attack the village he would have realized, "wow wtf there wasn't a guy with red hair with them (Nagato), and for some reason there is a dude that looks like someone I trained before... Hmmmm" So the shared eye one is questionable aswell, and yeah the JMan would have been able to train with Naruto, honing his skills in the sage aswell.

Think of it this way, it would have been JMan - One arm + Naruto + Ma + Pa + Tsunade(questionable) +Kakashi (questionable, since if Naruto came at the same time as he did before) vs the 6 Peins they would have had the upper hand I think since the whole 5 second thing would have been no problemo at all.

Naruto's maturity..... It QUITE QUESTIONABLE, please some one give me at least 3 GOOD examples of how he has matured that will help alot. Plus Naruto had matured when Yamamoto (Is that the wrong spelling seen so many mangas I forget now) told him he was the one who injured Sakura.

Thats all for now,

Peaze~~

 

[Avani]

Very nice job ! Well worded and thought out.

Thank You.

 

[92Uchiha]

Well just to make u see the chain reaction... By J-man's death, Pa toad came to the village to give the info, and meet naruto. By seing him, Pa toad gave naruto the greatest opportunity to gain incredible power.

If J-man wasn't dead, naruto wouldn't have learn Sage mode...

Well maybe later, but naruto needed to face death in that way so he could grow up, like shikamaru.

His death wasn't vain...

I agree with this.