What could have made relationships in Naruto better?

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Nah, Masashi Kishimoto is just quite terrible at writing about relationships.
That I agree with to an extent.

Oda understands that element does not quite resonate with the progress of his characters and serves to further limit them, therefore, he refrains from adding relationship in his story lines.
Oda's story line is different so why even compare? Just keep it off this section. OP Fans get triggered too easily and I don't want them to swoop in here to defend it's treatment of female characters.

In any case, I thoroughly enjoyed Naruto. I just hoped it was written better.
That goes for most of them.
I'm more disappointed in the random plot-no-jutsus than any other aspect of the piece; not to mention things that don't make sense or total @ss pulls.
Then how do you put up with OP? The staircase in thin air without support and people climbing over it - straight from Tom and Jerry series.


One Piece is not better than Naruto and neither is Naruto better than One Piece.

Both have their merits and are distinct in design but also similar in their thematic elements.
You are sooo going off the tangent..

I appreciate the beauty of both and am reminiscent of their flaws.

Gaara did not become a Hitler; Gaara became himself; which is docile, kind, calm, assertive, reliable, stable. Before he was troubled by the negative influences of his father. He found the courage to be himself because he received medicine; that which none, even Sakura - the best medical ninjutsu could provide him; "love."
Well Gara got me to read it. Itachi made me continue the series. Oro was fun. Nagato was cool. That's the thing- we still argue over characters they were killed off back in 2011. With OP - characters come and go - no lasting impressions. I don't feel enough for them - that's why the relation ship stuff in OP is going to be different than in Naruto which has stable homes for it's characters and people keep returning to same place more often and are interacting more frequently.
 
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Development. For one, if I was the one dictating how the manga was written, I would've had Naruto and Hinata's relationship developed earlier in Part 2 so it could actually become a thing after the Pain Invasion. This way we can see the most interesting part of a romantic development, them interacting as a couple. Which, for the little we got, was I think you could build something off that.

Sasuke and Sakura's relationship is also put in way too negative a light for them to believably end up together. If you wanna have it be so, don't have him try and kill her during the Kage Summit, have her confess to him and have him be actually affected by it. This is a big deal, for someone to love him even though he has no family ir friends left, and should be treated as such. Have Sasuke reconsider his actions for a small moment, only to be adamant about it and go on with his mission to destroy Konoha, just sparring Sakura and walking by her.
 

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He made one passing comment but rest of the post was on topic while more than one post here with more pointless comments like that with less on topic content. Which is indeed BS. So keep the attitude aside. OK?



What point that was really?
Passing comments are allowed then. Got it.


You’re right, she was a ninja while pregnant and nursing.
 

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That I agree with to an extent.



Oda's story line is different so why even compare? Just keep it off this section. OP Fans get triggered too easily and I don't want them to swoop in here to defend it's treatment of female characters.



That goes for most of them.


Then how do you put up with OP? The staircase in thin air without support and people climbing over it - straight from Tom and Jerry series.




You are sooo going off the tangent..



Well Gara got me to read it. Itachi made me continue the series. Oro was fun. Nagato was cool. That's the thing- we still argue over characters they were killed off back in 2011. With OP - characters come and go - no lasting impressions. I don't feel enough for them - that's why the relation ship stuff in OP is going to be different than in Naruto which has stable homes for it's characters and people keep returning to same place more often and are interacting more frequently.
That's why I said I don't compare, none is better or worse, they are distinct.

The One Piece world is set up in such a way that if a random staircase were not to appear, then it would not make sense. Each requires a different type of reader and must be viewed through a different magnifying glass.

I appreciate your views and agree with them, they are quite opposing in their designs and I love to read both.

Get the best of both worlds.

How about you make a Gaara thread so we can firther talk about this.
I don't want to make a thread. You make a thread instead. I'll show up if I want to.
 

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Romantic pairings like Saskura had way better potential than what it seems to be now. Should have just gotten rid of hinata so other pairings have much more space to be elaborated, that way we could have gotten rid of that little girl who is talentless and annoying as a character with her 'acting innocent" facade which is extremely annoying lol. Kishimoto missed his chance eliminating that featless character.
 

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Passing comments are allowed then. Got it
If I deem it so. ^^ e.g. You ignored your own similar 'spam' and from people who supported your view in this thread itself. You even made posts solely to flame someone. Still you keep dragging this argument despite telling others not to spam for one line in their longer post. I am being patient letting your off topic passing arguments over it here for now. But over doing it and misusing this in future won't help you.

You’re right, she was a ninja while pregnant and nursing.
A short leave isn't regarded being a housewife- nor one stops being a medic or nin. Otherwise any guy on vacation would be declared a househusband.
 
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Man, I think the best pairing in Naruto is the one between Rock Lee and Gai Sensei. The one between Gai Sensei and Kakashi is even better and the one between Naruto and Gaara is the best.

The worst relationship would be that of Ino and Sakura. There is no substance; there used to be acid that served no real purpose, but now, there is nothing much at all. It serves no particular function but to drown the viewers in it's stupidity. I think kishimoto finds it difficult to write about relationships between females.

One of the best written relationships is that between Tsunade and Jiraiya.

You could also admire the relationship between Shikamaru and Temari. And the one between Mito and Hashirama is very noble indeed.

Badly written relationships:

Kushina and Minato; too fairy tale like. Incompatible.

Sakura and Sasuke. I honestly believe Sarada is not even their child. This relationship should not have occurred in the first place.

Completely intolerable relationship:

Orochimaru and Kabuto. Literally Kabuto wanted to become Orochimaru. This is as creepy as creepy gets. wtf.
 

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By showing them bonding as young children around 5~ish. I don't know about the next guy, but I feel like most of the students friended Sakura out of fear of her dominating presence in part 1 and 2.
 

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Man, I think the best pairing in Naruto is the one between Rock Lee and Gai Sensei. The one between Gai Sensei and Kakashi is even better and the one between Naruto and Gaara is the best.

The worst relationship would be that of Ino and Sakura. There is no substance; there used to be acid that served no real purpose, but now, there is nothing much at all. It serves no particular function but to drown the viewers in it's stupidity. I think kishimoto finds it difficult to write about relationships between females.

One of the best written relationships is that between Tsunade and Jiraiya.

You could also admire the relationship between Shikamaru and Temari. And the one between Mito and Hashirama is very noble indeed.

Badly written relationships:

Kushina and Minato; too fairy tale like. Incompatible.

Sakura and Sasuke. I honestly believe Sarada is not even their child. This relationship should not have occurred in the first place.

Completely intolerable relationship:

Orochimaru and Kabuto. Literally Kabuto wanted to become Orochimaru. This is as creepy as creepy gets. wtf.
That's just your personal preferences and issues though. You accused Sasuke of turning Sakura in housewife and killing her potential. You think Sarada is not their daughter. But this is not how manga is written.
 
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Man, I think the best pairing in Naruto is the one between Rock Lee and Gai Sensei. The one between Gai Sensei and Kakashi is even better and the one between Naruto and Gaara is the best.

The worst relationship would be that of Ino and Sakura. There is no substance; there used to be acid that served no real purpose, but now, there is nothing much at all. It serves no particular function but to drown the viewers in it's stupidity. I think kishimoto finds it difficult to write about relationships between females.

One of the best written relationships is that between Tsunade and Jiraiya.

You could also admire the relationship between Shikamaru and Temari. And the one between Mito and Hashirama is very noble indeed.

Badly written relationships:

Kushina and Minato; too fairy tale like. Incompatible.

Sakura and Sasuke. I honestly believe Sarada is not even their child. This relationship should not have occurred in the first place.

Completely intolerable relationship:

Orochimaru and Kabuto. Literally Kabuto wanted to become Orochimaru. This is as creepy as creepy gets. wtf.
Yaoi fan fiction isn't cannon.
 

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Passing comments are allowed then. Got it.


You’re right, she was a ninja while pregnant and nursing.
So I guess female ninja should just never have kids, huh? Ninja clans were stupid anyway.




Also it's really "Not smart" for people to say Sasuke turned Sakura into a housewife. You need to actually live with a woman to do that.
 

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Maybe showing some realism as someone else posted. Not every relationship starts from childhood and ends in marriage and kids. That’s fiction. Look at Legend of Kora. Kora and Maco didn’t last. They broke up and never got back together. That’s realism.

Naruto could have used some of that. Having girls swoon over a dude as a child all throughout their lives without once even thinking, ”Maybe they aren’t into me.” And moving on might have been good.

The problem with Naruto relationships is if a girl thinks a guy is cute, that’s enough foreshadowing to pair them up and get married in the end even if the dude doesn’t shows any attraction or interest in her back.

Took a movie after the fact to make Naruto and Hinata fit. And don’t get me started on Sakura and Sasuke’s dynamic. That one is so broken on so many levels. But at least they touched on some semi real life issues(baby momma drama).

Some actual development would have been great. If Kishi wanted us to believe Naruto fell for Hinata, she should have been on more missions with him from the moment she stood her ground for him against Pain. Give Naruto some intimate screentime to really learn about Hinata’s dreams, desires, passions. Something he can get behind and fall in love with.
This is in regard to main cast member mind you. In regards to those like Shikamaru or Choji I’m fine with as there was a 10+ year timeskip so I’m fine with them though the sheer number of them is a bit much.
 
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Maybe showing some realism as someone else posted. Not every relationship starts from childhood and ends in marriage and kids. That’s fiction. Look at Legend of Kora. Kora and Maco didn’t last. They broke up and never got back together. That’s realism.

Naruto could have used some of that. Having girls swoon over a dude as a child all throughout their lives without once even thinking, ”Maybe they aren’t into me.” And moving on might have been good.
But that's the thing- Naruto in the manga did just that- Naruto's first crush didn't work out but he found someone who cared for him as he was. He too liked her so it's not strange that he came to respond back to Hinata with all things. You can say in his case Hinata won him over but just because she was the one to take first step, it doesn't make it unrealistic. Not every relationship but some do work out this way and actually do quite well.

And Hinata still fairs much better than say Agnes Wickfield ( David Copperfield).

Things like Sasuke/ Sakura too happen. Guy being cute - that was Sasuke for Ino. For Sakura it started that way but being in the same team made her see him from other perspectives too and sets up a different dynamic than just being cute.She saw too many of his not so cute to outright crazy side too. She didn't know about the details of Itachi deal but had enough sense to understand the psychological effect and Sasuke's reactions- she figured out he was going to leave despite Kakashi believing that he took care of things and Sasuke would be ok.

I do get that many people don't approve of their marriage but hey they seem to be mostly ok with the little compromises they made. And yep that marriage works because both came to terms with whatever happen in between and decide to live how it suits them. And no, no matter what haters say it's not abusive relationship either.

It's the realism of it that's hard for people to grasp since they wanted it to be more ideal realtionship.

The problem with Naruto relationships is if a girl thinks a guy is cute, that’s enough foreshadowing to pair them up and get married in the end even if the dude doesn’t shows any attraction or interest in her back.
Most konoha girls thought Sasuke was cute. Not all of them ended up with him. Some simply found someone else. In so many series Hero does get the girl he had his eyes on. Why is it a big deal that a couple of girls got the guy they liked? More so when both these girls made comprised and extended their hand despite the slights they received earlier.

But here we have think realism is lacking because two girls ended up with the guy they liked ... say what? It's realism even if it's not the kind of romance we wanted.

Took a movie after the fact to make Naruto and Hinata fit. And don’t get me started on Sakura and Sasuke’s dynamic. That one is so broken on so many levels. But at least they touched on some semi real life issues(baby momma drama).
It's not done so well done as I wish but dynamics between them is not broken. Sasuke is shaped by his traumatized past and it's ghost haunted him for a long time. No matter how little of it was focused on, Sakura still is the only emotional support besides Naruto whom Sasuke responded to. Gaiden kind of covers that around the last pages. She empathizes with him and he does respond to it according to his capacity in the moment.

Some actual development would have been great. If Kishi wanted us to believe Naruto fell for Hinata, she should have been on more missions with him from the moment she stood her ground for him against Pain. Give Naruto some intimate screentime to really learn about Hinata’s dreams, desires, passions. Something he can get behind and fall in love with.
He did acknowledge her during war arc- and clearly they gave themselves the time after - before getting married. People see the time gap between her confession in pain arc and lack of response on Naruto's. But when did Naruto had time to get cozy with Hinata to talk it out? Tsunade was in coma, village in shambles. Darui and party arrive. Danzou took over and declared Sasuke a rogue nin- Kage summit, declaration of war and Naruto got sent to remote island and returned during war.

This is in regard to main cast member mind you. In regards to those like Shikamaru or Choji I’m fine with as there was a 10+ year timeskip so I’m fine with them though the sheer number of them is a bit much.[/spoiler]
It's off paneled for everyone. I have skipped most movies including that one so my analysis is based on manga alone. But from what I have heard, I feel movie took out of Hinata/Naruto pairing in attempt to turn in to childhood love story for teens and Kishimoto had kept it more real.

A lot of things could have done to make it better bor both main pairings but we also miss out a lot because of cross culture and language barrier.
 
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I think k12 turning out to be bad parents, or awol for long periods is the best they could have done. I liked what they did with Sasuke, but then it turned out to be for a lame reason, with a lame reunion. Kids with parent issues > kids without parent issues. We need more parent issues.
 
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