[Discussion] What an amazing Bankai!

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So much power, being able to effortlessly remove Gerard Valkyries right arm and easily throw him over the edge of the Wharwalt.

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No, hold on. That wasn't with Bankai. My mistake.
This was the "Amazing new power" Kenpachi gained.
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My Bad.
 

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Except Ichigo, Unohana, Shunsui, Yamamoto, Ichibe, and probably some others. All certified Badass shinigami there. Also Ichigo.
-Ichigo's not a shinigami
-Shunseui's bankai is way bigger lol
-Ichibe got like a few inches bigger but none the less bigger.
- Deceased Captain Yamato's bankai is also bigger than his shiki form

Like byukuya mentioned before, normally most shinigami's bankai is bigger than their shiki form. Unless Zaraki's clothing is also an extension to his bankai like Ichigo, then I take it back.
 

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-Ichigo's not a shinigami
-Shunseui's bankai is way bigger lol
-Ichibe got like a few inches bigger but none the less bigger.
- Deceased Captain Yamato's bankai is also bigger than his shiki form

Like byukuya mentioned before, normally most shinigami's bankai is bigger than their shiki form. Unless Zaraki's clothing is also an extension to his bankai like Ichigo, then I take it back.
Ichigo is a Shinigami, shunsui's swords stay the same size, so does Ichibei's, and Yamamoto's flames are condensed while the sword stays the same.
Byakuyanis just wrong.
 

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Ichigo is a Shinigami, shunsui's swords stay the same size, so does Ichibei's, and Yamamoto's flames are condensed while the sword stays the same.
Byakuyanis just wrong.
Ichigo is half shinigami, hollow by modifications, and quincy. He is no purebred shinigami.
Shunsui's bankai is an abyss, ichibei's small blade on the end of the shaft is bigger than the brush, and yamamoto's flames are an extension of his bankai too. The clothing, fire, and zombies are all part of it.

So he's right.
 

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Ichigo is half shinigami, hollow by modifications, and quincy. He is no purebred shinigami.
Shunsui's bankai is an abyss, ichibei's small blade on the end of the shaft is bigger than the brush, and yamamoto's flames are an extension of his bankai too. The clothing, fire, and zombies are all part of it.

So he's right.
Then, why dont we just say Kenpachi's brute strength is part of his Bankai as well, and call it a day. Because that's not how it works. The swords stay the same size (or get smaller, in the case of Ichigo). End of story.

Ichigo is still using Shinigami powers for his Bankai, so it's a fair comparison.
 

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Then, why dont we just say Kenpachi's brute strength is part of his Bankai as well, and call it a day. Because that's not how it works. The swords stay the same size (or get smaller, in the case of Ichigo). End of story.

Ichigo is still using Shinigami powers for his Bankai, so it's a fair comparison.
Brute strength isn't tangible or a bankai, Zarakai's brute strength doesn't even involve his sword in the first place. What I'm saying is that all these things such as the abyss and the flames that come from the sword in its final form is part of the bankai.
And Ichigo has been using Hollow powers for a while now, Zangetsu said that the hollow was actually his bankai this whole time.

I'm not trying to argue here but usually shikai form is suppose to be smaller than the bankai form.
 

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Brute strength isn't tangible or a bankai, Zarakai's brute strength doesn't even involve his sword in the first place. What I'm saying is that all these things such as the abyss and the flames that come from the sword in its final form is part of the bankai.
And Ichigo has been using Hollow powers for a while now, Zangetsu said that the hollow was actually his bankai this whole time.

I'm not trying to argue here but usually shikai form is suppose to be smaller than the bankai form.
Why are we saying the physical size of a Bankai matters in any way? (also, i'm still right about Ichibe and Yamamoto. Ryujin Jakka is on a much larger scale of flames than Zanka No Tachi, which is much more concentrated. Ichibe's just doesn't change.)

And Ichigo was using Shinigami powers, albeit not directly from Hollow Ichigo. It's still a Zanpakuto, it's still a Bankai, it's still smaller. I win.
 
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