We should rework our tier lists.

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I say this because given the current situation gai and kakashi are much stronger then they are shown to be throughout the series. So is obi to and madara. Naruto is also a lot stronger then he was shown to be also
Son I think it should go like the
Tier 1: Madara, Hashirama
Tier 2: Naruto, Minato, Hashirama, Tobirama, Sasuke
Tier 3: Hiruzen, Orochimaru, Kabuto, Itachi, Kakashi
Tier 4: Muu, Gaara, Pain, Third Raikage
Tier 5: Onoki, Tsnade(w/e), Guy, Ay, Killer Bee, Sasuke
Tier 6: The other Hokages, Darui, Danzo, other tailed beasts

I mention hashirama and sasuke twice. I know
The reason I mention them twice is because of the hype factor. If they live up to it erase their lower tier is they don't erase the higher tier. Sasuke uptil now hasent had to really fight anyone single handedly. His fight against bee he
would have died w/o juugo, his fight with danzo was supported by Karin, against the At he got beat up more than Any even though Ay lost an arm, against kabuto he really didn't do much. I'm not saying he is straight trash he just needs to beat someone with substance b4 he can be in tier 2. Hashirama is constantly stated as overrated and maybe its true. But people try and remove the characters from were the manga puts them. Madara clearly states that hashirama is the only one that can stop him now. The is while he is Edo with Moulton, and rennin..,so yes but people don't believe so if and when hashi is displayed in the many a we maybe able to place him with assurance as 1st or 2nd rate.

As for the hokages. Well naruto handed mostnf there asses to them even though he did have a lot of help. But outside of the fact that they are edoform they were are not to hard to beat (the dead homages or former homages to be more clear).
As for the tailedbeasts. They are beaten by naruto And bee while they have sharingan an and rennin...enough said.

Now one to more interesting conversation. Back to whether or not tails mean more power.
Assuming that one tail and nine tails are just as strong as each other right. This means that the one tailed demon is stronger than kyuubi.
Why? Because the jinchuuriki has nine levels of power and nine different levels of power to master while the jin of the one tails only has one. And since one = nine the owner of the one tails would be much stronger than the owner of the nine tails. When is comes down to there bijuu.
Now is each tails is an set amount power then the kyuubiis the strongest and naruto in one failed mode is just as strong as gaara at full beast mode or at ,east he has the possibility of being as strong.
Now assume that it only matters how connected you are to your bijuu. Killer bee is the most connected but he so far is not as strong as naruto and kyuubi.
Should we take what kyuubi said to be true as him seeing himself as the top dog or what killer bee said in his you need to have heart type approach? Because I know one way or another there is a ranking system for the demons and that's why madara chose the fox over any other demon and we know he could take anyone he wanted.
 

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wait is this current or not? or were kakashi and Gai just an example?

i assume this isn't current by looking at the list, if so why ain't Obito or Nagato in the list?
 

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nah, it's just that team battles aren't taken into account when doing tier list, imagine a 3 man squad with Tsunade healing and giving chakra, she'd undoubtedly enable lower tier characters a fair shot at taking out higher tier characters, some ppl really don't shine until you can see what they do as support, but 1 on 1 kakashi and gai would have been fodderized, and don't belong any higher up on any list than they already are
 

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i dissagre

GOD Tier - s06p his sons edo madara

demi god Tier -naruto obito nagato hashirama

Legend Tier - sasuke DSM kabuto orochimaru if he has that sm that kabuto had

high kage tier - itachi minato A onoki kakashi
 
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