[Spoilers] We finally got confirmation!

[Flaming Amaterasu]

so what this chapter confirmed was since the start of the two sons,
Ashura > Indra
Hashirama > Madara
and ofc, let's not forget,
Naruto > Sasuke.


this cycle seems legit

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Wrong. Sasuke was always stronger than Naruto, Naruto admitted that several times, the main time was after he fought with sasuke after the kage summit, inciting he cannot beat him at his current level. Then Sasuke got a power up, then naruto got a power up, he is still lacking to Sasuke. And now once more, they both get a power up. Indra was stronger than the younger, but the younger had friends and bonds to make him powerful enough to deal with any threat.

Madara is not weaker than Hashi as it currently stands, in the past sage mode Hashi was stronger, but now it's a whole new ballgame with rinnigan madara, I won't count god mode madara since he is stronger than everyone except Rikudo.

The point of this is that the older and younger brother are virtually even (Madara and Hashi, Naruto and Sasuke) but must come to an agreement and understand each other to change the world. One has superior eye power (Madara, Sasuke), another has superior bonding power (Hashi and Naruto) and bonds is what makes people strong. Through those bonds, you gain a new power within itself, and if any of those bonds you made are threatened, you find the power within yourself to battle someone more powerful than you (pre-god mode Madara, pre- rinnigan Sasuke). Bonds through power = natural talent and power as proven by Naruto and Hashi.

The main thing some people misunderstand of the story of Sasuke and Naruto or Madara and Hashi is the simple fact that the underdogs (Hashi, Naruto) who have bonds can contend with natural talent, and sheer power (Madara, Sasuke) through how strong the bonds make one self. If Madara and Hashi truly bonded, they both would be unstoppable. Madara, with his superior eye power and Hashi with his superior bodily power would crush any and all opposition to their loved ones together, that is what is going to happen with Naruto and Sasuke, two spritual brothers understanding each other, unlike their previous incarnations of Madara and Hashi.

That is the true point made here in this chapter.

 

[Mr SwizZz]

Being equal in decision making/authority doesnt mean equal in power.
Hashirama wanted Madara to take Hokage spot, did that mean Madara > Hashirama? No.
Sasuke is simply going to make decision alongside Naruto, but will never equal in power, just as the other Ashura reincarnation, Hashirama, was superior to Indra's reincarnation, Madara.

Of course Sasuke/Naruto from now on will be in a league of their own, above anyone else, but Naruto > Sasuke.

Thats why Naruto is the child of prophecy and Sasuke isnt, and in the end thats why the series is called Naruto, not Sasuke or Naruto/Sasuke Shippuden =D

An also we saw the conversation of Naruto/Rikudo. Sasuke's conversation with Rikudo was deemed not worthy of a chapter. Few panels was nuff said =D

 

[Jarex]

Naruto is still the child of prophecy and that simply makes him stronger than sasuke cause o matter what the child of prophecy will always win

 

[Flaming Amaterasu]

If that were the case, he would not have lost to Sasuke two times, (At the "finding Sasuke" arc, he was totally outclassed by Sasuke) and would have been able to beat Sasuke after the kage summit. But no, he couldn't, and he admitted that. Just because naruto is the child of prophecy does not mean he is the strongest. All it means is that he can do things many cannot, such as befriending the bijuu and creating bonds with so many people.

 

[Reboryushon]

Nah, Indra was stronger than Ashura. So Sasuke will remain stronger than Naruto.

No. They were/are equals.

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Naruto is still the child of prophecy and that simply makes him stronger than sasuke cause o matter what the child of prophecy will always win

It is my understanding that Naruto is the Child of the prophecy because he is the one able to connect with other people, therefore ending the war and promote peace by connecting everyone. It has nothing to do with strength.

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[SeBa]

Nah, Indra was stronger than Ashura. So Sasuke will remain stronger than Naruto.

what ? you read the manga brah ? i thought the sage said that they both died in the battle.....

oh but wait it's you..... why the **** am i replying to you ? and wtf are you doing on this forum ? you just bash. go to the gym.

 

[lelerskates]

That would ruin the plot and the entire meaning behind the story. They are, they have always been and they will always be equals.

Bro. Nowhere was is stated that they are 100% going to be equals. It won't ruin the plot or the entire meaning of the story. It will only ruin it for you because you can't handle the fact that Naruto has a chance to be stronger than Sasuke. Did you forget that the story is called Naruto and not Sasuke?

More proof to my claim. Hashirama beat Madara in battle everytime they fought and they were the incarnations before Naruto and Sasuke were. So there's the axe in your theory of them being equals. Just like Sasuke beat Naruto twice, the last fight will be Naruto winning because he is the main character. Stop being such a hardcore fanboy that you want to purposely be ignorant to things for your own convenience.

 

[JesseBlack]

That would ruin the plot and the entire meaning behind the story. They are, they have always been and they will always be equals.

Nine tails plus sage mode > EMS

 

[JesseBlack]

Wrong. Sasuke was always stronger than Naruto, Naruto admitted that several times, the main time was after he fought with sasuke after the kage summit, inciting he cannot beat him at his current level. Then Sasuke got a power up, then naruto got a power up, he is still lacking to Sasuke. And now once more, they both get a power up. Indra was stronger than the younger, but the younger had friends and bonds to make him powerful enough to deal with any threat.

Madara is not weaker than Hashi as it currently stands, in the past sage mode Hashi was stronger, but now it's a whole new ballgame with rinnigan madara, I won't count god mode madara since he is stronger than everyone except Rikudo.

The point of this is that the older and younger brother are virtually even (Madara and Hashi, Naruto and Sasuke) but must come to an agreement and understand each other to change the world. One has superior eye power (Madara, Sasuke), another has superior bonding power (Hashi and Naruto) and bonds is what makes people strong. Through those bonds, you gain a new power within itself, and if any of those bonds you made are threatened, you find the power within yourself to battle someone more powerful than you (pre-god mode Madara, pre- rinnigan Sasuke). Bonds through power = natural talent and power as proven by Naruto and Hashi.

The main thing some people misunderstand of the story of Sasuke and Naruto or Madara and Hashi is the simple fact that the underdogs (Hashi, Naruto) who have bonds can contend with natural talent, and sheer power (Madara, Sasuke) through how strong the bonds make one self. If Madara and Hashi truly bonded, they both would be unstoppable. Madara, with his superior eye power and Hashi with his superior bodily power would crush any and all opposition to their loved ones together, that is what is going to happen with Naruto and Sasuke, two spritual brothers understanding each other, unlike their previous incarnations of Madara and Hashi.

That is the true point made here in this chapter.

Nine tails chakra plus sage mode > EMS

 

[GhostProject]

Here's the way I'm interpreting Kishi:

1. Putting the power into one person is a mistake, therefore, if the child of prophecy is still a thing, it will be both Naruto and Sasuke as representatives of Yin and Yang of humanity.

2. Naruto and Sasuke are absolute equals to the end. I don't see how people are finding another meaning. He said he was giving his power to Sasuke. Naruto already has the power, the 9 Bijuu, if he receives something else I guarantee it's to enable a 9 tailed beast Jinchuuriki. The Sage isn't going to knowingly upset their balance of power.

3. Why? Because the Sage basically said the root of the problem with the Sons was the lack of balance, Ashura got the approval and Indra didn't. Huge deal when your dad is the Sage. At the beginning of the chapter, Kishi confirmed they represent Yin and Yang/heaven and Earth. Balance. Kishi is making it very apparent.

I'm just curious how people are arriving at the idea that one is going to be more powerful/more important than the other. Hell Naruto doesn't even need to be more powerful than Sasuke, he has other's support and will be supportive of Sasuke. But I guarantee they will be equal in power, otherwise when they disagree on something, it'll end ugly.

Also just saying, Ashura was the original child of prophecy. He couldn't create peace alone.

And Indra: Madara was Indra reincarnate who ascended to the power of the Sage. He cannot create peace alone.

Naruto and Sasuke need each other.

 

[GodOfThunderAndLightning]

Wrong. Sasuke was always stronger than Naruto, Naruto admitted that several times, the main time was after he fought with sasuke after the kage summit, inciting he cannot beat him at his current level. Then Sasuke got a power up, then naruto got a power up, he is still lacking to Sasuke. And now once more, they both get a power up. Indra was stronger than the younger, but the younger had friends and bonds to make him powerful enough to deal with any threat.

Madara is not weaker than Hashi as it currently stands, in the past sage mode Hashi was stronger, but now it's a whole new ballgame with rinnigan madara, I won't count god mode madara since he is stronger than everyone except Rikudo.

The point of this is that the older and younger brother are virtually even (Madara and Hashi, Naruto and Sasuke) but must come to an agreement and understand each other to change the world. One has superior eye power (Madara, Sasuke), another has superior bonding power (Hashi and Naruto) and bonds is what makes people strong. Through those bonds, you gain a new power within itself, and if any of those bonds you made are threatened, you find the power within yourself to battle someone more powerful than you (pre-god mode Madara, pre- rinnigan Sasuke). Bonds through power = natural talent and power as proven by Naruto and Hashi.

The main thing some people misunderstand of the story of Sasuke and Naruto or Madara and Hashi is the simple fact that the underdogs (Hashi, Naruto) who have bonds can contend with natural talent, and sheer power (Madara, Sasuke) through how strong the bonds make one self. If Madara and Hashi truly bonded, they both would be unstoppable. Madara, with his superior eye power and Hashi with his superior bodily power would crush any and all opposition to their loved ones together, that is what is going to happen with Naruto and Sasuke, two spritual brothers understanding each other, unlike their previous incarnations of Madara and Hashi.

That is the true point made here in this chapter.

But Gai is slapping Madara's ass? and he doesn't have no sage mode, he can't even use jutsu Madara should be ashamed because once naruto becomes the Sage of The Six Paths there will be no one that can stop him >.> so Naruto > Gai > Madara > Sasuke > Everyone else.

 

[Flaming Amaterasu]

But Gai is slapping Madara's ass? and he doesn't have no sage mode, he can't even use jutsu Madara should be ashamed because once naruto becomes the Sage of The Six Paths there will be no one that can stop him >.> so Naruto > Gai > Madara > Sasuke > Everyone else.

Madara is having fun with Gai, or can you not tell from the clear and obvious sign of that fight? Gai is giving out, Madara is encouraging Gai to keep coming. There's a difference between having fun and getting your ass beaten, he is purposefully holding back to see what Gai is capable of, like hello, two chapters ago he was pondering to Gai if the midnight elephant is all he's got.

And Naruto will not be stronger than Sasuke, nor will Sasuke be stronger than current Madara. Sasuke was always stronger than Naruto as I stated above, but perhaps this time they will be equals. Gai's taijutsu is nothing to underestimate, just because he cannot use ninjutsu does not make him a bad shinobi you pompous clown. Gai is stronger than everyone on that battlefield right now aside from current Madara, and even with the 7th gate he was stronger than almost everyone on that battlefield aside from perhaps Edo Hashi and Edo Madara, and most definitely current Madara, but that is questionable because Gai threw Edo Madara back with the 7th gate when he used it whilst tagging with Bee. So yeah, Gai is badass, he is giving everything he's got to go toe to toe with Madara with taijutsu and is not disappointing the fans or Madara.

 

[xXVergiliusXx]

It can't get any more equal than this

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But then again, you're a hater so..

Well that's just Rikudou's power...remember who of them has SM and who hasn't(yet)?

 

[Jimihendrix]

thank you majinbuu

 

[Jimihendrix]

Sasuke is only getting Rinnegan i think, Naruto probably will get that biju like mode that Ashura showed.

sasuke is most definitely not getting the rinnegan. that would not be kosher to the Sage's hopes. Retard

 

[Jimihendrix]

That would ruin the plot and the entire meaning behind the story. They are, they have always been and they will always be equals.

no. the meaning of the story is cooperation.
Naruto is stronger, just like Ashura eventually became the stronger, and the Sage placed his hopes in his ideals. They're not equal in terms of power, Naruto is stronger. He's the child of prophecy

 

[Jimihendrix]

Prophecy doesn't mean much anymore, at first it was going to be naruto, but the sage has learned from his mistakes. Now the prophecy consists of indra's equal involvement.

prophecy is prophecy. You just can't change prophecy. Naruto is the sole child of prophecy. Deal with it.

 

[Jimihendrix]

How is one power up going to equal the nine bijuu + power up. Riddle me this

 

[Jimihendrix]

All I know is that Sasuke and Naruto are going to become Godlike next chapter.

this.10chars

 

[Jimihendrix]

Wrong. Sasuke was always stronger than Naruto, Naruto admitted that several times, the main time was after he fought with sasuke after the kage summit, inciting he cannot beat him at his current level. Then Sasuke got a power up, then naruto got a power up, he is still lacking to Sasuke. And now once more, they both get a power up. Indra was stronger than the younger, but the younger had friends and bonds to make him powerful enough to deal with any threat.

Madara is not weaker than Hashi as it currently stands, in the past sage mode Hashi was stronger, but now it's a whole new ballgame with rinnigan madara, I won't count god mode madara since he is stronger than everyone except Rikudo.

The point of this is that the older and younger brother are virtually even (Madara and Hashi, Naruto and Sasuke) but must come to an agreement and understand each other to change the world. One has superior eye power (Madara, Sasuke), another has superior bonding power (Hashi and Naruto) and bonds is what makes people strong. Through those bonds, you gain a new power within itself, and if any of those bonds you made are threatened, you find the power within yourself to battle someone more powerful than you (pre-god mode Madara, pre- rinnigan Sasuke). Bonds through power = natural talent and power as proven by Naruto and Hashi.

The main thing some people misunderstand of the story of Sasuke and Naruto or Madara and Hashi is the simple fact that the underdogs (Hashi, Naruto) who have bonds can contend with natural talent, and sheer power (Madara, Sasuke) through how strong the bonds make one self. If Madara and Hashi truly bonded, they both would be unstoppable. Madara, with his superior eye power and Hashi with his superior bodily power would crush any and all opposition to their loved ones together, that is what is going to happen with Naruto and Sasuke, two spritual brothers understanding each other, unlike their previous incarnations of Madara and Hashi.

That is the true point made here in this chapter.

go back and re read the viz translation, *******. In that point in time, SM Naruto could've beaten MS Sasuke physically. But this chapter confirmed that Naruto knew at that time Sasuke was Indra's reincarnation so beating him wouldn't end the cycle of hatred. Naruto's all about ending the cycle of hatred.

Stop saying misleading fallacies