Was Obito's Rinnegan explanation necessary?

[Floydical]

Before this chapter, we all assumed that the reason for Obito implanting only one Rinnegan was so that he could continue to use Kamui while having access to Rinnegan techs. Obviously he was very proficient with using his MS, so why would he ever give it up? More-over, why would Obito bother implanting only one Rinnegan if he didn't have access to the six paths? Obviously with only one Rinnegan he could still use the basic techniques, otherwise it would have been pointless to implant it.

Kishi having Obito state that the real reason was because he couldn't handle it makes little sense to me. Are we supposed to believe that an 8 year old Nagato is more capable than a Juubi Jin? I think not. If you ask me, it was simply a way to give Madara an upgrade that didn't exist before. Kishi originally limited the Rinnegan to 6 simple techniques, but now that he needs to give Madara a final upgrade, he's fluffing up the Rinnegan to be superior in the hands of the original wielder.

Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with double-Rinnegan Madara getting an upgrade, but don't try to add depth to the story where its not needed. It makes much more sense that Obito took on only one Rinnegan so that he could continue to use Kamui, not because he couldn't handle it.

 

[Senju Bean]

Kishi made Nagato a god haha.

 

[ROHAN]

Actually, If he had taken Madra's Right Rinnegan, then technically he would have a Double EMS, because :- Madara's MS + Obito's MS = EMS for Obito. Power-wise, A double EMS would have been too powerful to control.

And considering the above, Since Obito's MS plays a role in forming the EMS, he would still be able to perform an even more powerful Kamui.

 

[its a plot]

I also thought it was for kamui sake but u kno kishi...

 

[chuloe]

Kishi wanted to give us as much info as possible

 

[SharinganisOP]

There is clearly some reason as to why Obito couldn't handle it. Here are some possible reasons.

The most likely reason I can think of is that implanting both eyes would have been too much for the puppet seal that was on his heart at the time and would have forced him to adhere to the puppet seal, and forcibly make him rinne tensei Madara. Instead we clearly saw that Obito was disobedient when Madara was essentially asking to be revived soon when they were standing on the juubi's head.

Another reason as to why is that perhaps both eyes in an Uchiha allows different effects to arise, and being in Obito both eyes would overcome him somehow in a way that they wouldn't effect a non-uchiha. As we have seen Madara was able to use limbo hengoku while Nagato wasn't, whether that is a technique specific to him or whether it is a technique specific to an Uchiha wielding the rinnegan is something I don't know.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Before this chapter, we all assumed that the reason for Obito implanting only one Rinnegan was so that he could continue to use Kamui while having access to Rinnegan techs. Obviously he was very proficient with using his MS, so why would he ever give it up? More-over, why would Obito bother implanting only one Rinnegan if he didn't have access to the six paths? Obviously with only one Rinnegan he could still use the basic techniques, otherwise it would have been pointless to implant it.

Kishi having Obito state that the real reason was because he couldn't handle it makes little sense to me. Are we supposed to believe that an 8 year old Nagato is more capable than a Juubi Jin? I think not. If you ask me, it was simply a way to give Madara an upgrade that didn't exist before. Kishi originally limited the Rinnegan to 6 simple techniques, but now that he needs to give Madara a final upgrade, he's fluffing up the Rinnegan to be superior in the hands of the original wielder.

Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with double-Rinnegan Madara getting an upgrade, but don't try to add depth to the story where its not needed. It makes much more sense that Obito took on only one Rinnegan so that he could continue to use Kamui, not because he couldn't handle it.

Or... he was hinting that Nagato had some kind of link to Hagoromo.

 

[Senju Bean]

He is also paying homage to Nagato, the original ultimate villain.

 

[Floydical]

Actually, If he had taken Madra's Right Rinnegan, then technically he would have a Double EMS, because :- Madara's MS + Obito's MS = EMS for Obito. Power-wise, A double EMS would have been too powerful to control.

And considering the above, Since Obito's MS plays a role in forming the EMS, he would still be able to perform an even more powerful Kamui.

No it wouldn't. Just because Madara had EMS+Rinnegan does not mean Obito would have it. All evidence indicates that only the original wielder can transition the eye back and forth, not a transplant patient. Even if he could transition it back to EMS, he would only be able to use Madara's EMS. Not only was Madara's eye already an EMS, but it was Rinnegan too. There is no way Obito's techniques would be added to Madara's.

Basically your explanation is based on multiple assumptions that you have no way to backup, let alone prove. There is no evidence that any individual with Rinnegan transplants can revert it back to Madara's EMS and there is no evidence that an already established EMS could gain the techniques of an additional MS.

 

[KcMSean]

I think it helped, it was a good explanation. He was able to control the 6 jinchuriki probably only because he had one eye and not both. Controlling those 6 with such huge chakra drains would have been impossible if he had both eyes also sapping him of chakra. As for Nagato, can't explain that one lol. Maybe since he was born an Uzumaki, it had less of an effect compared to Obito with transplanted Senju DNA.

 

[Alfred Pennyworth]

agree the original assumption is better,neater . but what kishi provides us with also makes some sense.

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here he says he would lose himself , implying his personality/mind would be altered in some ways. as a man with his own goal , oc he wouldn't want that.

nagato apparently could handle it becoz his personality/mind might had already been altered once bestowed with those eyes , as we have no idea what he's like beforehand .
+I vaguely believe his uzumaki lineage might have played a role in his controlling rinnegan

 

[ROHAN]

No it wouldn't. Just because Madara had EMS+Rinnegan does not mean Obito would have it. All evidence indicates that only the original wielder can transition the eye back and forth, not a transplant patient. Even if he could transition it back to EMS, he would only be able to use Madara's EMS. Not only was Madara's eye already an EMS, but it was Rinnegan too. There is no way Obito's techniques would be added to Madara's.

Basically your explanation is based on multiple assumptions that you have no way to backup, let alone prove. There is no evidence that any individual with Rinnegan transplants can revert it back to Madara's EMS and there is no evidence that an already established EMS could gain the techniques of an additional MS.

I agree on that Point. As for the Double Rinnegan thing, I think Kishi introduced it for a reason. Perhaps, this reason will be explored in the future chapters. Perhaps there is a connection to the Juubi ? I don't know. But, I think that this was introduced for a reason.

 

[SharinganisOP]

No it wouldn't. Just because Madara had EMS+Rinnegan does not mean Obito would have it. All evidence indicates that only the original wielder can transition the eye back and forth, not a transplant patient. Even if he could transition it back to EMS, he would only be able to use Madara's EMS. Not only was Madara's eye already an EMS, but it was Rinnegan too. There is no way Obito's techniques would be added to Madara's.

Basically your explanation is based on multiple assumptions that you have no way to backup, let alone prove. There is no evidence that any individual with Rinnegan transplants can revert it back to Madara's EMS and there is no evidence that an already established EMS could gain the techniques of an additional MS.

We do have evidence of a non original wielder transitioning between a mangekyo and a normal sharingan though, along with Kakashi's original transition from 2 tomoe to three tomoe. Kakakshi can increase to mangekyo and go back down to 3 tomoe. However he can not decrease it to a normal eye level. This would suggest that a non original wielder can decrease a form of the sharingan back to 3 tomoe. The rinnegan however is classes as a different eye, so I would suggest it may be possible for an Uchiha (but if may have to be the original eye holder/his brother) to revert the rinnegan back to lower forms since they have the ability to degrade the sharingan back to a normal eye. However it is likely not possible for a non-uchiha as they don't have the ability to downgrade the sharingan to a normal eye.

 

[KcMSean]

We do have evidence of a non owner transitioning between a mangekyo and a normal sharingan though, along with Kakashi's original transition from 2 tomoe to three tomoe. Kakakshi can increase to mangekyo and go back down to 3 tomoe. However he can not decrease it to a normal eye level. This would suggest that a non original wielder can decrease a form of the sharingan back to 3 tomoe. The rinnegan however is classes as a different eye, so I would suggest it may be possible for an Uchiha (but if may have to be the original eye holder/his brother) to revert the rinnegan back to lower forms since they have the ability to degrade the sharingan back to a normal eye. However it is likely not possible for a non-uchiha as they don't have the ability to downgrade the sharingan to a normal eye.

I feel its much more likely that Kakashi is an exception considering he himself awakened his Mangekyo. He went through that change himself. If Obito's eye was already a Mangekyo when it was transplanted I'd bet on Kakashi not being able to revert to 3 tomoe.

 

[Floydical]

There is clearly some reason as to why Obito couldn't handle it. Here are some possible reasons.

The most likely reason I can think of is that implanting both eyes would have been too much for the puppet seal that was on his heart at the time and would have forced him to adhere to the puppet seal, and forcibly make him rinne tensei Madara. Instead we clearly saw that Obito was disobedient when Madara was essentially asking to be revived soon when they were standing on the juubi's head.

Another reason as to why is that perhaps both eyes in an Uchiha allows different effects to arise, and being in Obito both eyes would overcome him somehow in a way that they wouldn't effect a non-uchiha. As we have seen Madara was able to use limbo hengoku while Nagato wasn't, whether that is a technique specific to him or whether it is a technique specific to an Uchiha wielding the rinnegan is something I don't know.

Smells fishy to me. If that were the case, why would Nagato not be instantly inclined to revive Madara? Why would Madara bother keeping himself on life support of his eyes' influence was enough to forcibly cause the transplant patient to revive him? If it was the case with a non-Uzumaki, why would he bother putting them in an Uzumaki? To me its an excuse to try to create additional depth. Everything involving Nagato counters any logic associated with this explanation.

We do have evidence of a non original wielder transitioning between a mangekyo and a normal sharingan though, along with Kakashi's original transition from 2 tomoe to three tomoe. Kakakshi can increase to mangekyo and go back down to 3 tomoe. However he can not decrease it to a normal eye level. This would suggest that a non original wielder can decrease a form of the sharingan back to 3 tomoe. The rinnegan however is classes as a different eye, so I would suggest it may be possible for an Uchiha (but if may have to be the original eye holder/his brother) to revert the rinnegan back to lower forms since they have the ability to degrade the sharingan back to a normal eye. However it is likely not possible for a non-uchiha as they don't have the ability to downgrade the sharingan to a normal eye.

Your assumption is false. Kakashi had that ability because he personally established the requirements to unlock it. He increased the eye from 2 tomoe to 3 tomoe. He increased the eye from 3 tomoe to MS. Since he personally met the requirements to unlock the new levels means he can revert it. But transplant patients of Rinnegan have shown no sign of reverting it. They were given the eye in its final stage and have no logical ability to revert it. Again, your Kakashi sharingan explanation is not the same situation.

 

[ROHAN]

Smells fishy to me. If that were the case, why would Nagato not be instantly inclined to revive Madara? Why would Madara bother keeping himself on life support of his eyes' influence was enough to forcibly cause the transplant patient to revive him? If it was the case with a non-Uzumaki, why would he bother putting them in an Uzumaki? To me its an excuse to try to create additional depth. Everything involving Nagato counters any logic associated with this explanation.

This poses an Interesting question. Considering the above, How was Obito even relevant in Madara's revival plan ? Madara would have achieved the same with Nagato making Obito's role completely worthless. If Madara could forcibly force Nagato to revive him via the curse seal, how does Obito even come in the picture?

 

[SharinganisOP]

Smells fishy to me. If that were the case, why would Nagato not be instantly inclined to revive Madara? Why would Madara bother keeping himself on life support of his eyes' influence was enough to forcibly cause the transplant patient to revive him? If it was the case with a non-Uzumaki, why would he bother putting them in an Uzumaki? To me its an excuse to try to create additional depth. Everything involving Nagato counters any logic associated with this explanation.



Your assumption is false. Kakashi had that ability because he personally established the requirements to unlock it. He increased the eye from 2 tomoe to 3 tomoe. He increased the eye from 3 tomoe to MS. Since he personally met the requirements to unlock the new levels means he can revert it. But transplant patients of Rinnegan have shown no sign of reverting it. They were given the eye in its final stage and have no logical ability to revert it. Again, your Kakashi sharingan explanation is not the same situation.

1. The puppet seal that Obito had and Nagato might not have had. While I agree that the explanations aren't the best, they are the only thing that logically makes sense to me with the given information.

2. Then the mangekyo probably should have been activated for kakashi when Obito was crushed by rocks... It has been confirmed that the eyes are visually connected, and I had figured that from Tobirama's explanation it is only possible for Uchiha to increase sharingan eye level and Kakashi obtained his via Obito seeing rin die. Though it could be possible since he had the mangekyo when it transformed he could transform it himself regardless of who activated it. Anyways I won't say that it isn't possible for kakashi to have activated himself, but what I said is also possible with the given amount of information that we have. Kishi really needs to do some more explanation of the sharingan in a databook or something if he doesn't explain it in the manga.

 

[ᖇ α z m α η]

Explanation was helpful but Sakura & Obito wasted so much time that Madara now gets his powerup (well it was predicted).

 

[VongolaX]

Well for starters, Obito was able to use the six path Justus.

(Chapter 606 page 15-16)

Obito had both Hashirama and Madara's chakra ( Hashi DNA/Madara's will)

Uchiha+ senju = sage

So Madara taught him how to use yin yang release and six path techniques because of that.

Obito controlling Gedo mazou would take sometime to use (just like old Madara used Gedo mazou w/o rinnegan and used yin yang Justu to create zetsu).

Now to answer your immediate question...

It's because the rinnegan will change you, it would consume you.

Obito stated that the rinnegan in one eye is too much power, being able to control the statue with 7 bijuus in it is very powerful.

He was amazed and yet scared, that if he implanted both eyes the power would consume him changing him forever.

Nagato is a good example of the rinnegan changing him, he was also scared of that power too.

When he focus on using it to protect the ones he loved (good job Jiraiya), he was able to keep his sanity.

When he lost that important person...

He went nuts and became consumed physically and mentally, Obito didn't want that to happen.

 

[altaire uchiha]

have u guys ever heard of Occam's razor? Theres no good answer for the things going on in the manga right now because ITS NOT REAL. Its a story written by a person. He is in love with powerups right now and he gives a lame excuse after each one. Thats the simple and more reasonable answer. Dont lose sleep over it.