I seen the series and played most of the games he is one of my favs next to future Gohan but I remember in the games he's always been comparable to Frieza first form but now I'm starting to realize he's weaker than 1st form Frieza and by the looks of it also weaker than Nappa, raditz and even kid Gohan can someone convince me that he's stronger than what he really is and I heard somewhere that to beat Frieza he must got ssj3