War-arc SM Naruto vs. EMS Sasuke

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location: Naruto vs. Pain
starting distance: shown in first panel
restrictions: Sasuke is restricted to "v4"? susano'o (no PS or legged) , Ma and Pa
intel: manga

scenario 2: ma and pa start on Naruto's shoulders
 
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Sasuke wins this rather easily.
 

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Sasuke still wins this rather easily
 

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Lol Sasuke makes Naruto his ***** here, terrible match up. Genjutsu is Naruto's weakness and Sasuke holds that.
 

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Sasuke low difficulty.
 

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I agree that Sauce wins, just curious as to how much of a fight Nardo can put up :p
 

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Sasuke stomps.
 

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For the sake of a debate I'll change my stance from Naruto loses high diff to Naruto wins high diff. Come at me Uchias, be sure to read my status 1st tho and you better know your shit too.
 

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For the sake of a debate I'll change my stance from Naruto loses high diff to Naruto wins high diff. Come at me Uchias, be sure to read my status 1st tho and you better know your shit too.

-Sasuke's Legged Susano is untouchable by SM Naruto
-FRS<Kirin which was tanked by v3
-COFRS is more powerful than normal FRS, but it has no scaling or AOE feats due to the perspective of the explosion. Legged tanked, PS laughs.
-Enton demolishes clones
-In scenario 2, Ma and Pa's chakra signatures differentiate from Naruto's. This means when clones are created, Sasuke either tells which is the real on by looking, or Naruto uses transformation jutsu, in which Sasuke can see a single chakra network (Naruto's) rather than 3.
-Ma and Pa are susceptible to genjutsu, and controllable in the same way Manda was.
-Any large summons are only going to make the fight more advantageous to Sasuke, so Aoda as a natural summon, added with no large summons being able to combat him due to genjutsu, further ensures Sasuke's victory
-PS alone fodderstomps this. inb4 Sasuke has no PS.
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-Sasuke's Legged Susano is untouchable by SM Naruto
SM Naruto has offensive power above sasukeʻs legged susanoo in the form of senpou chou oodama rasenshuriken. That does not make legged susanoo untouchable.

-FRS<Kirin which was tanked by v3
getting your susanoo completely vaporized and getting damaged by kirin =/= tanking kirin, and naruto just throws 2 of them.

-COFRS is more powerful than normal FRS, but it has no scaling or AOE feats due to the perspective of the explosion. Legged tanked, PS laughs.
um, if we donʻt have any scaling perspective based on the explosion, then you scale based on the size of the technique. COFRS is hundreds if not thousands of times larger and dozens of times wider than a normal rasenshuriken, thatʻs your scaling, and legged susanoo thatʻs not powered by Naruto and juugo, nor sasukeʻs susanoo not powered by BSM chakra do not have feats or hype that say they tank or laugh.

-Enton demolishes clones
SM clones that can blitz Sandaime raikage = white zetsu fodders?

-In scenario 2, Ma and Pa's chakra signatures differentiate from Naruto's. This means when clones are created, Sasuke either tells which is the real on by looking, or Naruto uses transformation jutsu, in which Sasuke can see a single chakra network (Naruto's) rather than 3.
makes sense.

-Ma and Pa are susceptible to genjutsu, and controllable in the same way Manda was.
ma and pa donʻt look into sasukeʻs eyes as they are sages and can fight while blind..... and even if they played into your scenario where they challenged sasuke in a staring contest, sasuke has no feats of controlling a summon as powerful as them, especially not while using susanoo, and naruto or the other toad just snaps them out.

-Any large summons are only going to make the fight more advantageous to Sasuke, so Aoda as a natural summon, added with no large summons being able to combat him due to genjutsu, further ensures Sasuke's victory
why does large summon = automatic genjutsu gg? did sasuke control baku? Did juubito control gamakichi? No, they just donʻt look into sasukeʻs eyes, or have a naruto clone to snap them out of genjutsu.

-PS alone fodderstomps this. inb4 Sasuke has no PS.
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Maybe, but PS is restricted.
 

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sasuke will wins but it's going to be tough
 

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Sasuke stomps

- Without Kyuubi forms Naruto doesn't have the speed to be able to barrage Sasuke's Susano'O with FRS, Sasuke's reactions catch all the FRS with Amaterasu. Sasuke can then Recycle this Amaterasu with Enton.

- Without FRS, Naruto has nothing that comes even close to damaging a V4 Susano'O.

- This Sasuke loses all the disadvantages that came with MS that allowed SM Naruto was able to exploit against his MS form.​
 

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SM Naruto has offensive power above sasukeʻs legged susanoo in the form of senpou chou oodama rasenshuriken. That does not make legged susanoo untouchable.

Legged Susano takes no damage.

getting your susanoo completely vaporized and getting damaged by kirin =/= tanking kirin, and naruto just throws 2 of them.

Kirin destroyed something over 600 times larger than Sasuke, whereas one of the FRS's was only 11 times the Raikage's sizes. Kirin>>>>>FRS. Surviving Kirin>>>>>>>tanking FRS. And again, no power scaling means no feat.

um, if we donʻt have any scaling perspective based on the explosion, then you scale based on the size of the technique. COFRS is hundreds if not thousands of times larger and dozens of times wider than a normal rasenshuriken, thatʻs your scaling, and legged susanoo thatʻs not powered by Naruto and juugo, nor sasukeʻs susanoo not powered by BSM chakra do not have feats or hype that say they tank or laugh.

No, you cannot. And no, it's not close to thousand of times larger, nor does that imply its size is directly proportional to its explosion's size. Itachi's MS Susano<Sasuke's EMS Susano. Fact. Itachi v3 survived Kirin, thus legged tanks it.

SM clones that can blitz Sandaime raikage = white zetsu fodders?

Huh? Enton is following Sasuke's eye movement, which tracked Juubito speed. Clones die until a defence is put up (don't have one). Evading doesn't mean the enton won't follow them.

makes sense.
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ma and pa donʻt look into sasukeʻs eyes as they are sages and can fight while blind..... and even if they played into your scenario where they challenged sasuke in a staring contest, sasuke has no feats of controlling a summon as powerful as them, especially not while using susanoo, and naruto or the other toad just snaps them out.

Doesn't mean they close their eyes while fighting, let alone the fact that they will think they are masked by other clones. They simply need to make brief eye contact, staring contest is a purposeful exaggeration to undermine the fact that Sasuke can put someone into genjutsu at extreme speeds. He controlled Manda, which implies he can control any summon. Being powerful has no factor unless you can kai out or know you are in genjutsu, but since you have no implications of either, you have nothing to argue here. Naruto doesn't know when a chakra disturbance within the chakra pathway is present, Ma would have to get off of Naruto's shoulder, since her arm span cannot possibly allow her to make contact with Pa, who's on the other shoulder. More so, it only takes a second for one of the two toads to be controlled and then have their tongues enter one side of Naruto's head and out the other.

why does large summon = automatic genjutsu gg? did sasuke control baku? Did juubito control gamakichi? No, they just donʻt look into sasukeʻs eyes, or have a naruto clone to snap them out of genjutsu.

Because Manda was gg'd with a 3T genjutsu, and the Kyuubi can be gg'd by an MS genjutsu. Either you have some manga scans which imply summons are stronger than the Kyuubi and Manda, or you stop arguing this point altogether. Juubito didn't need to control a summon as a Juubi jin, false analogy. Baku's suction started immediately, Sasuke didn't have the chance to put him under genjutsu, especially from so far away. So my point remains, genjutsu does in fact gg any summons around.

Maybe, but PS is restricted.

Now it is, prior to my post, it wasn't.
 

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Sasuke wins this one Mid Diff because of EMS
 
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