War Arc Kakashi vs Itachi

[EZQ]

I don’t understand how Kakashi wins any scenarios
Itachi is faster, better skills in every area, and has Amaterasu genjutsu etc in his arsenal
Kamui hax can be countered with clones. Itachi has this in the bag imo and stomps with susanoo

How exactly does using clones save Itachi from one of the fastest one shot jutsus from the manga?

 

[Beans2]

How exactly does using clones save Itachi from one of the fastest one shot jutsus from the manga?

The same way using clones saves Kakashi from one of the fastest one shot jutsus in the manga (Amaterasu.)

 

[BenjerminGaye]

The same way using clones saves Kakashi from one of the fastest one shot jutsus in the manga (Amaterasu.)

The thing is kakashi never fell for itachi's clone games, where as itachi got fooled twice. As for the rest of youre points, itachi's ninjustu is inferior to kakashi's, and his best asset, genjutsu outside of tsukuyomi is useless. Nothing puts his speed or taijutsu outside of what kakashi can handle(dude sparrs with guy). So what other facets are we left with? intel? Stamina?

 

[EliteKakashi]

Kakashi is superior in stamina, battle intelligence, possesses affinity advantage, can match Itachi in CQB and with Kakashi having knowledge of tsukuyomi and amaterasu they're non-factors as Kakashi has repeatedly proven if he has knowledge of a technique, it's pretty much useless against him or is at the very least capable of creating an extremely effective counter for it.

Itachi needs susanoo to beat war arc Kakashi. War Arc Kakashi is susanoo-less Itachi's worst nightmare. Possibly the only character in the series capable of outsmarting him, has enough chakra to out last him, and has an op technique that can save him in a pinch(kamui).

Once you add in susanoo though, Kakashi loses unless there's some argument to be made that kamui can > yata mirror. Kakashi's only hope in that fight would be to somehow outlast Itachi.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

I am interested in the argument as to why Kamui would kill Itachi so easily. As far as I know, Kamui has only been used on linear targets, and when it was attempted on a dynamic moving target, Deidara, it missed. If Kamui were that powerful, why didn't Kakashi use it to instantly kill Madara in the war? I understand why Kamui was not used against Kakuzu (although Kakashi could have arguably used Kamui on Kakuzu's entire body), but if Kamui is so strong, why was it not used against Hidan?

Therefore, if Itachi were to lose, it would not be because of Kamui unless someone can demonstrate its speed being enough to capture one of the notable speedsters of the manga, and also explain why Kakashi rarely attempted it against his other opposition in the manga. At the very least, it would be Kakashi laying a trap for Itachi which would allow him to land Kamui.

Regardless of the intricacies of Kamui, with full knowledge, Itachi should be able to kill Kakashi without much effort without Susano'o. Susano'o is Itachi's absolute last resort, and he didn't become a highly regarded Kage-level shinobi through its use, so he is able to stand on his own merits as an extremely powerful ninja without it, even capable of bringing part 1 Kakashi down with a single technique and walking away, and even escaping a Sannin without being killed.

In terms of speed and skill, Itachi is tiers above Kakashi because he was a genius in every aspect. Itachi might be a tad lacking in the intelligence and stamina department given it is War Arc Kakashi, but he will be able to make up for it with full knowledge. Itachi will know that Kakashi can outlast him and can fight accordingly. Kakashi will conclude that a battle of attrition is best, but Itachi's high level techniques and superior genjutsu and speed would realistically overwhelm Kakashi making outlasting Itachi unreasonable.

What do you mean itachi is lacking in intelligence lmao?

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

How exactly does using clones save Itachi from one of the fastest one shot jutsus from the manga?

Itachi is pretty fast , he can avoid kamui . Also in round two and three , itachi wins because of Susanoo , kakashi cant teleport susanoo , because if he could he wouldve teleported Sasuke's V2 Susanoo imo . Spiritual beings residing in heavenly eyes which are MS cannot be teleported by mere space time teleportation , another proof kamui dont work against spirit things is kakashi couldnt teleport gunbai .

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Itachi is pretty fast , he can avoid kamui . Also in round two and three , itachi wins because of Susanoo , kakashi cant teleport susanoo , because if he could he wouldve teleported Sasuke's V2 Susanoo imo . Spiritual beings residing in heavenly eyes which are MS cannot be teleported by mere space time teleportation , another proof kamui dont work against spirit things is kakashi couldnt teleport gunbai .

didn't doesn't equal cant If he can teleport susanoo constructs (susanoo arrow) susanoo itself would be no different. But even then its a waste of chakra why teleport the susanoo if you can simply teleport the user? its not like susanoo cuts los and he's already teleported through chakra constructs before.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

didn't doesn't equal cant If he can teleport susanoo constructs (susanoo arrow) susanoo itself would be no different. But even then its a waste of chakra why teleport the susanoo if you can simply teleport the user? its not like susanoo cuts los and he's already teleported through chakra constructs before.

Yes it's different , the constructs are made of susanoo's chakra which is the bodily energy of the user , while Susanoo is created with the heavenly eyes of MS , heaven = spiritual. Gunbai is a spirit weapon but also wasnt teleported so go find an excuse for that.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Yes it's different , the constructs are made of susanoo's chakra which is the bodily energy of the user , while Susanoo is created with the heavenly eyes of MS , heaven = spiritual. Gunbai is a spirit weapon but also wasnt teleported so go find an excuse for that.

no its the same. Both are chakra constructs, as seen by madara the eyes are not necessary.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

no its the same. Both are chakra constructs, as seen by madara the eyes are not necessary.

Both are not chakra constructs. Kakashi couldnt kamui gunbai and couldnt kamui susanoo. Both are spiritual things. The weapons are made from the body energy of the user which susanoo absorbs from each and every cell of his/her body. Read the databook. Onoki said ' that monster's chakra has stabilized' which means susanoo is not chakra. Or you go prove its chakra.

OT: Sasuke trashes naruto left and right.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Both are not chakra constructs. Kakashi couldnt kamui gunbai and couldnt kamui susanoo. Both are spiritual things. The weapons are made from the body energy of the user which susanoo absorbs from each and every cell of his/her body. Read the databook. Onoki said ' that monster's chakra has stabilized' which means susanoo is not chakra. Or you go prove its chakra.

OT: Sasuke trashes naruto left and right.

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Says it right there in the fckin databook :

Chakra takes the physical form of formidable looking warrior etc. etc. etc

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

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Says it right there in the fckin databook :

Chakra takes the physical form of formidable looking warrior etc. etc. etc

No it doesnt. Look above it says 'guardian deity' which means a god. Guardian deity means god. What're you pointing out is the armour of Susanoo. Onoki said 'that monster's chakra' , he was implying susanoo's armor as madara stabilizes the chakra of Susanoo to create PS.

 

[Oblivionx]

Kakashi wins against any itachi that isn't edo and with susano. Without susano, itachi only has amaterasu to fall back to, with extremely poor vision. Kamui counters amaterasu. And we already saw 3T kakashi matched itachi back in part 1 till MS came out. Amaterasu and susano cause more backlash than kamui so kakashi wins. Edo itachi doesn't have those issues so he wins with susano.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Kakashi wins against any itachi that isn't edo and with susano. Without susano, itachi only has amaterasu to fall back to, with extremely poor vision. Kamui counters amaterasu. And we already saw 3T kakashi matched itachi back in part 1 till MS came out. Amaterasu and susano cause more backlash than kamui so kakashi wins. Edo itachi doesn't have those issues so he wins with susano.

Kamui cant counter amaterasu. Kakashi couldnt teleport itachi's amaterasu in the forest. And itachi is far stronger than kakashi in hand to hand combat as guy admitted he cant beat itachi. Kakashi couldnt even see itachi with his sharingan. Kakashi admitted itachi wasnt using full power.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

No it doesnt. Look above it says 'guardian deity' which means a god. Guardian deity means god. What're you pointing out is the armour of Susanoo. Onoki said 'that monster's chakra' , he was implying susanoo's armor as madara stabilizes the chakra of Susanoo to create PS.

if ur gonna deny databook then i guess where through

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

if ur gonna deny databook then i guess where through

Databook doesnt agree with you though. Chakra of susanoo is the armor. Not susanoo.

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Chakra takes the physical form of a formidable warrior --> the above formation , the armor of susanoo covering the nine tails. Itachi had armor susanoo at the time. You're the one denying db here. Onoki said 'monster's chakra' not just 'chakra' which proves you wrong.

 

[FleeOnSight]

I see a lot of people talking down on kamui like its absolute shit lmao. Kamui is one of the best(is the best with double kamui) MS techniques in the manga. I mean Kishi separated them and they were still op. Kakashi wins

 

[Lord Tywin]

Why is Itachi considered as an analytic genius again? Dude barely has any feats in that department

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

I see a lot of people talking down on kamui like its absolute shit lmao. Kamui is one of the best(is the best with double kamui) MS techniques in the manga. I mean Kishi separated them and they were still op. Kakashi wins

OP technique agree. Cant teleport spiritual things like gunbai and susanoo.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Why is Itachi considered as an analytic genius again? Dude barely has any feats in that department

Figuring out chibaku tensei and shared vision? Something which konoha took like months to figure out . Jiraiya died figuring out. Shikamaru was literally useless.