War Arc Kakashi vs Alive Minato

[Strict]

It was indeed a bluff.. Kakashi himself said, "I can do that at least, ...it might fool them..."

Some of you have no common sense. Kakashi stated that his low Chakra reserves don't allow him to use Tajuu Kagebunshin no Jutsu.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

You're a freaking idiot lmao. Kakashi stated in the manga he can't do Multi Shaodow Clones, and that Naruto was the only one that could do it because of the 9 tails. It's a forbidden technique because a user would die instantly thanks to having their chakra dispersed. You actually think, KAKASHI....with his crappy ass stamina did Multiple Shadow Clones when he himself admitted he couldn't and he himself in that moment said he was all out of chakra already? NARUTO WIKI (Not a fan site like you called it) says it was a bluff, which makes sense. Furthermore, what the hell is a Kakashi style multiple shadow clone technique? No such thing. Get your head out of your ass and use your freaking brain.

Lmao. U clearly don't understand the mechanics behind the technique.....
I'm not gonna take the time out to explain it to you.

He used the technique.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

You're a freaking idiot lmao. Kakashi stated in the manga he can't do Multi Shaodow Clones, and that Naruto was the only one that could do it because of the 9 tails. It's a forbidden technique because a user would die instantly thanks to having their chakra dispersed. You actually think, KAKASHI....with his crappy ass stamina did Multiple Shadow Clones when he himself admitted he couldn't and he himself in that moment said he was all out of chakra already? NARUTO WIKI (Not a fan site like you called it) says it was a bluff, which makes sense. Furthermore, what the hell is a Kakashi style multiple shadow clone technique? No such thing. Get your head out of your ass and use your freaking brain.

I'm gonna let bogard give you a lesson

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[Migster257]

Black Wolf, age doesn't matter. Obito perfected his Kamui the time he activated it.
The difference, Obito touched Minato and started to warp him, Minato reacted in the process of warping. Kakashi on the other hand needs to focus on Minato and start the warping. Kakashi focusing is enough for Minato to react. Kakashi just needs to activate Kamui [

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] and Minato will react to that, jumping out of his line.

And btw., Kakashi's Kamui alone wasn't even as fast as the Gudou Dama. Minato easily reacts to that.

First, age definitely does matter. Kakashi got better over time in his Kamui usage. Can you provide scans stating Obito perfected his Kamui at the age of 14?

Second, Kakashi doesn't need to focus. At least not the type of focus that he used when fighting Deidara. His Kamui is near instant now, as shown by scans and comments posted by other members in the previous pages, who I don't know how to quote since I'm new here.

Basically, this is how it'll go. Minato and Kakashi get thrown into an open battlefield in front of each other. They see each other at the same time. Kamui happens, and Hiraishin happens. No focusing, nothing like that.

I won't be commenting on whether or not Kakashi or Minato wins.

 

[Demonic.]

He didn't say he can't use it. He said he can't hold it for long, which is understandable considering it splits his chakra evenly among the clones. Less chakra in respective clones, more difficult it is to maintain them

But in that particular instance he was already drained, it wouldn't make sense if he did it. And he did say Naruto was the only one that could use Multi Shadow Clones and anyone else would die...instantly

 

[BenjerminGaye]

But in that particular instance he was already drained, it wouldn't make sense if he did it. And he did say Naruto was the only one that could use Multi Shadow Clones and anyone else would die...instantly

Doesn't matter. If you know how the tech works you would know that clone count isn't what would have drained him there.

 

[Demonic.]

Doesn't matter. If you know how the tech works you would know that clone count isn't what would have drained him there.

Yes it is dude. Kakashi said he was bluffing himself this can be open to interpretation: regular clones, Genjutsu, or like a thread I read/what Bogard was kinda saying is that he did use it but the shadow clones were useless. Those thugs would've destroyed them easily. Either way, they can't be used in an actual fight even if Kakashi is at full power he can't use Multi Shadow Clones efficiently. So it still doesn't count either way.

 

[ARGUS]

Minato wins this mid diff at most

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Yes it is dude. Kakashi said he was bluffing himself this can be open to interpretation: regular clones, Genjutsu, or like a thread I read/what Bogard was kinda saying is that he did use it but the shadow clones were useless. Those thugs would've destroyed them easily. Either way, they can't be used in an actual fight even if Kakashi is at full power he can't use Multi Shadow Clones efficiently. So it still doesn't count either way.

There's nothing left for interpretation idiot. That's not a speech bubble but a thought bubble. Why he'd think about one tech and use another? That's something you'd need to explain.
What bogard said is the whole point. He created that many with the explicit purpose of bluffing. He himself admitted that. Doesn't change it from being shadow clones

 

[Demonic.]

There's nothing left for interpretation idiot. That's not a speech bubble but a thought bubble. Why he'd think about one tech and use another? That's something you'd need to explain.
What bogard said is the whole point. He created that many with the explicit purpose of bluffing. He himself admitted that. Doesn't change it from being shadow clones

He did say "Kakashi Style" why would he say that a technique is a technique, right? Isn't that a little odd. Anyway, I already agreed to the possibility. But, he still said he was bluffing, so if they were real shadow clones they were worthless anyway which makes it irrelevant. Kakashi can use them as a bluff perhaps, but not for long and not for actually fighting, even if he was at full power. Unless you think otherwise? The proof of this is when he said he couldn't use the technique and that he's never used it in an actual fight. Which makes it pointless to bring up in a thread anyway.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

He did say "Kakashi Style" why would he say that a technique is a technique, right? Isn't that a little odd. Anyway, I already agreed to the possibility. But, he still said he was bluffing, so if they were real shadow clones they were worthless anyway which makes it irrelevant. Kakashi can use them as a bluff perhaps, but not for long and not for actually fighting, even if he was at full power. Unless you think otherwise? The proof of this is when he said he couldn't use the technique and that he's never used it in an actual fight. Which makes it pointless to bring up in a thread anyway.

When have you ever seen kakashi use standard clone jutsu? Anways the shadow clones he made have shadows. So pump your brakes.

And if He wants to bluff in a fight this is always an option. At the end of the day he used it fulfilled his purpose , and has it in his move set. Plain and simple.

 

[Demonic.]

When have you ever seen kakashi use standard clone jutsu? Anways the shadow clones he made have shadows. So pump your brakes.

And if He wants to bluff in a fight this is always an option. At the end of the day he used it fulfilled his purpose , and has it in his move set. Plain and simple.

Haha in that instance, yes he managed to scare away the thugs like he wanted. But if someone tries to bring it up in a thread for a fight against Minato like that one guy did on here, no it's best to forget Kakashi ever even used it cause it won't work.

 

[super yang]

minato wins as FTG has a full range of strategic application, while kakashis poaching Kamui is ill-fitted for direct combat/better for support & ambush