War Arc Kakashi vs Alive Minato

[Demonic.]

Conditions: Minato and Kakashi go all out 1 on 1.

Intent: Kill

Knowledge: Manga

Location: Where Bee fought Taka

Restrictions: KCM

Who wins?

 

[Kamui Sama]

Minato wins mid-diff at most. Although I believe Kakashi's kamui warp is more dangerous than Obito's, he isn't going to get the chance to pull it off in the middle of the fight unless it is right at the beginning.

 

[Akasuna]

Minato mid diff. He's already canonically escaped a Kamui warp. He eventually finishes Kakashi with a Rasengan.

 

[V h o]

Minato low-mid difficulty. Kakashi kamui isn't faster than FTG.

 

[Demonic.]

I agree with all of you. Kakashi still gets schooled.

 

[onepieceuc1]

Kagebunshin, and anticipating many of his movements before he can kill him i think, but if it was a first fight, Minato win...

 

[Lytes]

Obito's kamui is faster than Kakashi's ,so Minato will just FTG, he wins this.

 

[Dark Riku]

If Kakashi use Kamui,Minato can avoid it with FTG.
Minato wins.

 

[onepieceuc1]

Looking at what we wrote, it seems that it's Kamui Hatake vs Minato (alive)... And not Kakashi...

 

[Minato namikaze123]

Minato owns kakashi ..!!!

 

[BenjerminGaye]

The only way kakashi wins is via kamui. His is faster than obito's and can interrupt ftg.

 

[Black Wolf]

This thread might as well be Kamui vs. Hiraishin, because ultimately, nothing else will matter.

We do know that Minato has escaped Kamui before. Thing is, he escaped 14 year old Obito's, whose adult version's Kamui was outsped by Kakashi's Kamui. Furthermore, we have Kakashi interrupting Gedo Mazo's teleportation mid summon, tearing off an entire arm (which is easily about a hundred times the size of a human). Kakashi's Kamui can interrupt teleportation, so it boils down to whether or not he can react on time / whether or not Minato can react on time, and if either fighter opts for techniques other than their respective space time jutsu.

I'm not going to give an opinion here because I don't really have one. There is a good case to be made for either side. However, the "Hiraishin > Kamui" is irrelevant because we are talking about a completely different user, and a completely different version of Kamui.

 

[LuckyMan]

@BlackWolf

Kakashi had nine tails chakra so his Kamui was 3x stronger and it let him tear of Gedos arm.

It can't interrupt teleportation, if it could Minato would have never escape Obitos.

Obitos Kamui was not outsped by Kakashi's. Obito was releasing a metal spike from Kamui dimension and Kakashi was sending something to it. That does not mean Kakashis is better than his because one was just sucking someone in and the other was shooting something out. Just because the Kamui portal opened quick doesn't mean the rod was moving at that same speed when it missed Naruto.

 

[Gold Lightning]

^^^^

lol, it was in no way because of Narutos chakra that allowed Kakashi to tear off the gedos arm, that chakra faded way before that.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

@BlackWolf

Kakashi had nine tails chakra so his Kamui was 3x stronger and it let him tear of Gedos arm.

It can't interrupt teleportation, if it could Minato would have never escape Obitos.

Obitos Kamui was not outsped by Kakashi's. Obito was releasing a metal spike from Kamui dimension and Kakashi was sending something to it. That does not mean Kakashis is better than his because one was just sucking someone in and the other was shooting something out. Just because the Kamui portal opened quick doesn't mean the rod was moving at that same speed when it missed Naruto.

Kakashi didn't have kyuubi chakra when he tore off the gedo mazo's arm. And when he tore it off it was when madara was summoning it mid summon.

As for the spike kakashi kamui'd naruto's clone(again not having kyuubi chakra art the time) before obito could react. Obito miss interpreted it for the spike(which was mid kamui) hitting the clone. This means kakashi sent naruto's clone in before obito sent the spike out. I.e. kakashi's being faster

 

[LuckyMan]

^^^^

lol, it was in no way because of Narutos chakra that allowed Kakashi to tear off the gedos arm, that chakra faded way before that.

The cloak did not go away. Sakura mentions that she thought the cloak disappeared completely but it never did, it jsut shrunk down in size where it was not noticeable by the naked eye.

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Shikamaru mentions here that when the God Tree was cut down the chakra Naruto gave everyone had vanished. Up until the God Tree was cut down, everyone still had a kyuubi cloak, emphasis was just not put on it because it was not important but most of all, it shrunk down in size.

The God Tree was cut down after Kakashi warped Gedos arm so he was still using Kuramas power, everyone was.


@BenjerminGaye

That does not mean Kakashi's is faster. One was sending someone to it and the other sending something out of it. If they were both doing the same thing we could agree whos faster but thats just not the case.

 

[Demonic.]

Holy crap. Invisible Man is badass.

 

[Kamui Sama]

Kakashi claimed that the chakra he previously recieved prior to warping the hachibi made his kamui 3x stronger. He would be capable of warping the gedo arm with our without it. There is no indication that Kakashi had used the kyuubi's chakra for that anyway

 

[LuckyMan]

Kakashi claimed that the chakra he previously recieved prior to warping the hachibi made his kamui 3x stronger. He would be capable of warping the gedo arm with our without it. There is no indication that Kakashi had used the kyuubi's chakra for that anyway

The fact that the cloak never vanished from the alliance until the God Tree was cut down is evidence enough. Go and re read chapter 644. You will see then that the cloak had never vanished from the alliance. When Minato mixed his chakra with Naruto's everyone's cloak came back to them without Naruto even touching them because it never left to begin with and all the ninetails chakra is connected to itself so their cloaks became even more powerful than before because now it was full (yin+yang) ninetails chakra.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Kakashi claimed that the chakra he previously recieved prior to warping the hachibi made his kamui 3x stronger. He would be capable of warping the gedo arm with our without it. There is no indication that Kakashi had used the kyuubi's chakra for that anyway

^^^ this

It wouldn't have mattered if he had the cloak or not, Kakashi already proved that he could remove the gedo's head without any enhancements, so the arm is nothing.

Also Kakashi's kyuubi cloak never returned, it disappeared as soon as he entered the kamui dimension, never to be seen again (entering another dimension may have removed it permanently and broke the link it had with Naruto, we can't be too sure). There is also nothing to suggest that the cloak still provides the same enhancements while it is not visible. Sakura thought the cloak was gone, meaning she probably couldn't feel the boost gap that it gave either. If everyone was still feeling the effects of the chakra cloak, someone would've noted that despite it disappearing it's power was still in effect, but no. It's not until the cloaks returned that Sakura realised she still had that power.