War Arc Kakashi vs Alive Minato

[Touken]

The fact that the cloak never vanished from the alliance until the God Tree was cut down is evidence enough. Go and re read chapter 644. You will see then that the cloak had never vanished from the alliance. When Minato mixed his chakra with Naruto's everyone's cloak came back to them without Naruto even touching them because it never left to begin with and all the ninetails chakra is connected to itself so their cloaks became even more powerful than before because now it was full (yin+yang) ninetails chakra.

There was only a trace amount. It had little to no effect on Kakashi's Kamui.

 

[Demonic.]

Has Kamui ever even killed anyone?

 

[LuckyMan]

There was only a trace amount. It had little to no effect on Kakashi's Kamui.

Even a trace amount of ninetails chakra is incredibly potent and powerful.

No effect on Kakashi's Kamui? leleleeleleleleleleleleelel

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[Touken]

Even a trace amount of ninetails chakra is incredibly potent and powerful.

Uh, no, it isn't. The fact that you couldn't visibly see the cloak means it was the smallest of traces.

 

[Bronze]

Until I see reactions of Minato that indicates he can react to Kakashi's version of Kamui, Kamui one-shots him.

 

[Black Wolf]

Kakashi had nine tails chakra so his Kamui was 3x stronger and it let him tear of Gedos arm.

The cloak disappeared from Kakashi the moment he teleported to Kamui dimension - hell, it disappeared, the moment him and Obito grappled in the real world prior to teleporting into the dimension. Kakashi's chakra was his own from that moment onward.

It can't interrupt teleportation, if it could Minato would have never escape Obitos.

Kakashi's Kamui outsped 30 year old Obito's Kamui. Escaping 14 year old Obito =/= escaping Kakashi's Kamui has no bearing on how Minato would perform against Kakashi's version.

Has Kamui ever even killed anyone?

Whether or not a jutsu has killed someone has no bearing on its effectiveness. Unless, of course, you believe Raikiri and Chidori to be stronger than Mangekyo techniques because they have a higher kill count.

By that same account, Raikiri and Chidori have a higher kill count than Hiraishin, thus they are the better jutsu.

 

[Demonic.]

Until I see reactions of Minato that indicates he can react to Kakashi's version of Kamui, Kamui one-shots him.

Assuming Minato stays still for a few seconds. He already warped away from Obito's, it's the same thing.

 

[Bronze]

Assuming Minato stays still for a few seconds. He already warped away from Obito's, it's the same thing.

Too bad Kakashi's version out speeded Obito's reactions. Try again.

 

[Demonic.]

Too bad Kakashi's version out speeded Obito's reactions. Try again.

There is no Kakashi's version. They're both Obito's eyes. Minato won't even give Kakashi the chance to use it anyway.

 

[Bronze]

There is no Kakashi's version. They're both Obito's eyes. Minato won't even give Kakashi the chance to use it anyway.

Are you stupid? Kakashi's version is long-range while Obito's is close-range. Obviously different version. I didn't know Minato had knowledge on Kakashi's Kamui.

 

[Black Wolf]

Them being Obito's eyes has no bearing on one's efficiency and skill in using them.

If it was as simple as "they are both Obito's eyes," Kakashi would not have been terrible at using it at first and improved over time. Kakashi would have had his current mastery of Kamui from the very first time he used it. The very fact that we see an improvement over the course of Part II shows that skill with a Mangekyo technique varies and can get better with experience and application.

 

[Demonic.]

Are you stupid? Kakashi's version is long-range while Obito's is close-range. Obviously different version. I didn't know Minato had knowledge on Kakashi's Kamui.

The fact that it's long range doesn't change that it creates a portal to warp just like Obito's. One FTG and he escapes it. Just because Minato did it close up doesn't mean he can't do it long range. Lol, Minato used FTG to escape Obito's Kamui, did he have knowledge on it? No, you see yourself begin to be warped away, you don't need knowledge you use FTG.

 

[Bronze]

The fact that it's long range doesn't change that it creates a portal to warp just like Obito's. One FTG and he escapes it. Just because Minato did it close up doesn't mean he can't do it long range. Lol, Minato used FTG to escape Obito's Kamui, did he have knowledge on it? No, you see yourself begin to be warped away, you don't need knowledge you use FTG.

I'll repeat what I previously said: "Until Minato shows reactions that indicate get away of Kakashi's version of Kamui, he gets one-shotted."

 

[Demonic.]

Kakashi's Kamui outsped 30 year old Obito's Kamui. Escaping 14 year old Obito =/= escaping Kakashi's Kamui has no bearing on how Minato would perform against Kakashi's version

By that same account, Raikiri and Chidori have a higher kill count than Hiraishin, thus they are the better jutsu.

But it certainly doesn't help your case either. Minato already warped from a Kamui so he probably can warp from Kakashi's too.

 

[Demonic.]

I'll repeat what I previously said: "Until Minato shows reactions that indicate get away of Kakashi's version of Kamui, we can't know."

Fixed it for you.

 

[Black Wolf]

You are regurgitating a fallacious argument. "It creates a portal just like Obito's" has nothing to do with its speed.

Why was Kakashi's warp speed terrible in early Part II vs. his current warp speed? Both iterations of Kakashi "open portals just like each other," yet current Kakashi's warp was far faster than early Part II's.

 

[Strict]

I'll repeat what I previously said: "Until Minato shows reactions that indicate get away of Kakashi's version of Kamui, he gets one-shotted."

Minato reacts to Ay, who is so fast that the Sharingan can't keep up with properly and you insist on Kamui, which is short-mid range with Kakashi's bad vision. The moment Kakashi will focus his Kamui on Minato, he will jump away. Easily. Kakashi has no chance. Minato spreads his Kunai across the area, stays on long range until Kakashi comes near a Kunai and uses Kagebunshin, which can also jump with Hiraishin and use Rasengan.

Kakashi has no chance.

 

[Demonic.]

You are regurgitating a fallacious argument. "It creates a portal just like Obito's" has nothing to do with its speed.

Why was Kakashi's warp speed terrible in early Part II vs. his current warp speed? Both iterations of Kakashi "open portals just like each other," yet current Kakashi's warp was far faster than early Part II's.

Why could Sasuke only use Susano's ribs at first? Same thing. What's your point?

 

[Demonic.]

Minato reacts to Ay, who is so fast that the Sharingan can't keep up with properly and you insist on Kamui, which is short-mid range with Kakashi's bad vision. The moment Kakashi will focus his Kamui on Minato, he will jump away. Easily. Kakashi has no chance. Minato spreads his Kunai across the area, stays on long range until Kakashi comes near a Kunai and uses Kagebunshin, which can also jump with Hiraishin and use Rasengan.

Kakashi has no chance.

^^^ Agreed.

 

[sharingansennin]

Ill make a couple points on Kakashi's Behalf:

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